View Full Version : "I'll Take it" etiquette question
nemisis1400
07-08-2009, 6:54 PM
Just recently, a gun I was eying was bought up before I could finally meet with the seller after a wait of about 2 months for his and my schedule to finally match up. Now I want to be clear, I did not say "I'll Take It", I just pmed him to try it before I bought it(I do that with some of the iffy pieces to ensure that it won't explode on me).
I'm kinda glad that this piece got away from me since I'm just about out of room for anymore longarms, but what I want to know is if I should have just said "I'll take it" and then meet the seller at a range or something to shoot it rather than telling him "I'd like to check it out".
Z ME FLY
07-08-2009, 7:00 PM
Yup you are right, I would have said I take it and setup a time to meet. At the same time, if your times aren't meeting up, I can see why he would sell it to someone else. For example of you want to try it but not sure if you want to buy it and we have been trying to book a time to meet. Someone else pms me saying they will take it so I would sell it to them since they will take it and the timing would probably work I am guessing.
If you're not certain that you will take it regardless of condition or any other qualifying factor, don't post "I'll take it". That phrase should be reserved for unequivocal purchase.
Eroland7
07-08-2009, 7:06 PM
If you're not certain that you will take it regardless of condition or any other qualifying factor, don't post "I'll take it". That phrase should be reserved for unequivocal purchase.
I agree
nemisis1400
07-08-2009, 7:13 PM
For me the whole deal is the "iffy" factor, "will it work" is the main question that stops me. The piece in question is a shooter C&R shotgun, now I have another shotgun that has yet to be fired by me or the seller and was so rusted that I'm worried that it will explode in my face if fired, but it was so cheap that it would be fine to have as a wall hanger if it didn't work. Sure I could take it to the gunsmith but he's backlogged and the inspection fee is half the price of the shotgun.
For me this deal would have been:
meet up
fire some shots(probably two shots)
if gun is still in one piece and no ones hurt, I'll Take It
BlackDrop50
07-08-2009, 7:14 PM
I thirdly agree.
I only say "I'll take it", if I have cash in hand ready to pick up now.
BlackDrop50
07-08-2009, 7:15 PM
For me the whole deal is the "iffy" factor, "will it work" is the main question that stops me. The piece in question is a shooter C&R shotgun, now I have another shotgun that has yet to be fired by me or the seller and was so rusted that I'm worried that it will explode in my face if fired, but it was so cheap that it would be fine to have as a wall hanger if it didn't work. Sure I could take it to the gunsmith but he's backlogged and the inspection fee is half the price of the shotgun.
For me this deal would have been:
meet up
fire some shots(probably two shots)
if gun is still in one piece and no ones hurt, I'll Take It
Things are selling fast right now and people are hurting for money....sometimes you have to jump on stuff you really want.
Z ME FLY
07-08-2009, 7:16 PM
For me the whole deal is the "iffy" factor, "will it work" is the main question that stops me. The piece in question is a shooter C&R shotgun, now I have another shotgun that has yet to be fired by me or the seller and was so rusted that I'm worried that it will explode in my face if fired, but it was so cheap that it would be fine to have as a wall hanger if it didn't work. Sure I could take it to the gunsmith but he's backlogged and the inspection fee is half the price of the shotgun.
For me this deal would have been:
meet up
fire some shots(probably two shots)
if gun is still in one piece and no ones hurt, I'll Take It
Did you tell him that Nem? IDK this is a tough one. I can see it from your side in this case now. I didn't know it was a rusty shotgun. I can see why you wanted to shoot it first. On the other hand, I can see from the seller's point where he can just sell it to someone without having to go to the range and have you shoot it. I'm actually interested in the answer for this now too.
nemisis1400
07-08-2009, 7:28 PM
Did you tell him that Nem? IDK this is a tough one. I can see it from your side in this case now. I didn't know it was a rusty shotgun. I can see why you wanted to shoot it first. On the other hand, I can see from the seller's point where he can just sell it to someone without having to go to the range and have you shoot it. I'm actually interested in the answer for this now too.
Yeah I told him about the whole 1 maybe 2 shots tryout. And the rusty shotgun is not the one in question, but it is the reason why I want to do the whole try-before-you-buy deal
swerv512
07-08-2009, 7:42 PM
:Ivan:
means....
:Ivan:
period...
Z ME FLY
07-08-2009, 7:44 PM
Oh sorry I must have mis read your post. I understand people in both spots. Sometimes you gotta just sell it because you need the money and can't wait. Doesn't mean it's right but sometimes it happens.
Linburger
07-08-2009, 7:48 PM
A lot of times sellers don't properly list all the details though. For example, if he hasn't posted who will pay the transfer fees but someone already says "I'll take it" there could be trouble later on if they disagree on the details of the transaction.
foxtrotuniformlima
07-08-2009, 7:50 PM
Do not say I'll take it if there is any reason, other than misrepresentation by the buyer, you would not buy the item.
But, if you have told the seller you want to inspect it before purchase and they agree to that, selling it from underneath you is not cool.
K5Cruiser
07-08-2009, 8:09 PM
If you're not certain that you will take it regardless of condition or any other qualifying factor, don't post "I'll take it". That phrase should be reserved for unequivocal purchase.
Another person agreeing with this statement.
As for the transfer fee, unless the seller states in the ad that he is paying the transfer fee, the transfer fee is usually paid by the buyer. Think of it as if you were buying a used car from a private party, the seller doesn't pay for your registration on the used car you just bought from him, you pay for it.
bruss01
07-09-2009, 6:05 AM
Negotiations and conditions of any kind should be worked out between buyer and seller before "I'll Take It" is issued. "I'll Take It" is basically a "SOLD" sticker on the item that tells other buyers that this item is no longer available and tells the seller to take it off the market if he is offering it elsewhere. So if you have any conditions that the seller has not already agreed to, you can't post a conditional "I'll take it" just to keep someone with NO conditions from buying the item out from under you. Not fair to the seller, especially if he is advertising it elsewhere such as the laundry room bulliten board, an auction site, or even just spreading the word among his shooting buddies.
Case for confusion to arise is where a buyer commits to the purchase ("I'll Take It") and contacts the seller saying, "Ok, I get paid on Friday next week so I can have the money order in the mail Saturday morning and you should have it by Monday or Tuesday at the latest" - which sounds very reasonable but may not be what the seller had in mind if he wanted paid in cash this afternoon. At that point, if there has been a miscommunication over what is "reasonable" in terms of accommodations of the sale that weren't stipulated by either party prior to the "I'll take it" then both parties can back out gracefully and the item is re-offered for sale. I think any arrangement that concludes the deal within 2 weeks seems reasonable AS LONG as other arrangements were not specifically detailed by seller up front. Trying to get the seller to hold out longer than that waiting for payment, without his prior consent, seems like stretching the terms of the deal.
Turbinator
07-09-2009, 6:47 AM
Trying to get the seller to hold out longer than that waiting for payment, without his prior consent, seems like stretching the terms of the deal.
I agree on this. It seems that to make the seller wait 2 months without a clear agreement to purchase, is a bit long. Unless the item is truly undesirable with little demand, the seller could have been missing out on other unconditional "I'll take it" offers while he held the item for the OP.
As lessons learned, I would say don't engage in a purchase negotiation unless you are pretty sure your schedule and funds will permit you to move forward quickly if the deal looks good.
And of course, no "I'll take it" posts unless you'll really take it, unconditionally.
Turby
Noboundaries
07-09-2009, 6:56 AM
I've been involved in sales or contract negotiations for over 30 years. The art and validity of the verbal agreement has changed drastically since my father and grandfather's time, and even since I started. In today's world "I'll take it" is more often than not just the start of negotiations and posturing. Not to put a negative spin on anyone's culture, but some cultures have thousands of years of negotiating tactics that get handed down from generation to generation. The headaches and stress involved with extended purchases are almost never worth the final result for the seller. A quick sale eliminates those headaches and moves that stress to the buyer.
When I post anything for sale anywhere, I do everything I can to eliminate the extended or delayed sale. First, I always offer a price that is a deal, leaving almost no room for negotiation. Second, I make it clear the first one with the money becomes the new owner. Third, cash takes preference over any other form of payment unless the transfer of ownership can be stopped if a bad payment is made. Fourth, when someone pays with cash, ALWAYS make sure it is real money.
When someone tells me "I'll take it" I expect them to show up with cash fairly quickly. If they need time to get the money together I make it clear it stays on the market and the first one to show up with cash takes possession. As a seller, my perspective is "your cash problems are not my cash problems." Conversely, I never go shopping for anything unless I have the cash or ability to buy immediately in my hands. It works out well for both parties that way.
Edit addition: always remember, in the buying/selling world, a desperate buyer or seller is almost always going to lose in the end. Avoid becoming or appearing desperate and you can get what you want with no hassles.
Brutish
07-09-2009, 8:33 AM
Uh, if you say "I'LL TAKE IT" it means you have NO MORE questions about the item and you are ready to buy it have the money on hand and have a flexible enough schedule that you can meet in the seller's vicinity. It means you WILL buy the gun as long as it is as described. "Conditional I'll Take Its are NOT I'll Take its.
professionalcoyotehunter
07-09-2009, 8:43 AM
This is about my A5. I waited way to long for the seller to meet with me. Two months and still I had the shotty in my safe ready to shoot or sell. I had to move on to the next in line. I needed the money for a new project. Our schedules could never be arranged to meet. I was not available during the day and he was not on weekends. What was I to do. I guaranteed you that it shot well. Several people on this forum have shot it and loved it but were not engaged to buy it they just wanted to shoot an old A5 so you could ask them if it worked. I did not mind to meet with you and I offered to pay for the round of trap/skeet and you did not have to pay for the PPT or DROS of it. I feel bad it did not work out for us to meet but I had to move on because there was a deal I could not pass up. I even offered to ship it and you pay me once you received it. Not many people will do that.
AgentAK
07-09-2009, 9:00 AM
I agree that "I'll take it" means I'LL TAKE IT! There are some things to take into consideration though. I've noticed a lot of first time posters selling items and they don't seem too knowledgeable about them. It's the buyer’s responsibility to ask all questions before posting "I'll take it." The problem with this is that more times than none, there isn't a chance to ask any questions before someone jumps on an item. I suppose an "I'll take it, pending PM, or questions would suffice. At least that way, others can be in line. I also believe that the seller and/or buyer should be available for a response within a reasonable amount of time, especially when an item has just been listed. I've been involved in transactions many times where the seller posts an item and I PM, and do not hear back from the seller in over a day, sometimes more. If you have time to post it for sale, you have time to stick around and reply! Another thing I hate is when I'm selling something and a person PM's with an offer or trade, and then they don't reply to my response! Hellooooo, I'm trying to sell this thing! Don't waste my time if you don't really want it, I could be missing out on other offers!
smle-man
07-09-2009, 9:11 AM
If you're not certain that you will take it regardless of condition or any other qualifying factor, don't post "I'll take it". That phrase should be reserved for unequivocal purchase.
I agree also. I had a buyer tell me that he would take a C&R rifle without reservations. When we met up he changed his mind. Fortunately the guy that I passed on in favor of the local (non) buyer still wanted it. Don't say you'll take it no matter what and not mean it.
Grumpyoldretiredcop
07-09-2009, 9:41 AM
When you post, "I'll take it", it means you are ready to meet and purchase the item. No bargaining, lowball offers or other discussion.
I recently had an item up for sale... a member here posted "it's mine!" and then attempted to make a lowball offer via PM. I told that member that he could have the item at the posted price as he'd posted before making his lowball offer. I didn't sell that item to that member... and won't do business with him in the future.
If you post, "I'll take it" or words to that effect, be ready to take it.
professionalcoyotehunter
07-09-2009, 9:45 AM
Not to step on anyone's toes but I don't remember Nemesis1400 ever posting I'll Take it.
K5Cruiser
07-09-2009, 10:02 AM
Not to step on anyone's toes but I don't remember Nemesis1400 ever posting I'll Take it.
Correct. He indicated that in his first post of this thread.
professionalcoyotehunter
07-09-2009, 10:04 AM
Okay! just confirming it.
tacticalcity
07-09-2009, 10:16 AM
You should only say I'll take it if you are 100% certain you want it. Nothing is more frustrating than telling 10 or more people it's sold only to have you back out. Often times they move on. So you really screw the seller over if you say you want it and then flake on him.
I don't usually sell C&R or iffy stuff. So that's not usually my issue. For me the issue is people's wants being bigger than their wallets. I do understand how that can happen. But it doesn't make it any less frustrating.
Just my $0.02 worth!
professionalcoyotehunter
07-09-2009, 10:19 AM
:iagree:
kalguns
07-09-2009, 10:25 AM
I'll Take IT! Means I am ready to buy it now. Not in 2 months not in 1 week NOW.
It is not that hard.
hellraiser
07-09-2009, 10:47 AM
i always thought if you had questions or somthing that what "pm sent" was for.
if your gonna buy it NO MATTER WHAT but just need to iorn out the details thats what "i'll take it" was for.
ive lost a couple with a "pm sent" and somebody tossed in a "ill take it" right after... i was really really surprised once when i got a pm that read "i got quite a few ill take its right after but you had a question first so you got dibs"
professionalcoyotehunter
07-09-2009, 10:49 AM
That is rare. I hate back door PM deals. If you want it post I'll take it and change it after your questions have been answered and then the OP can go in order down the list in order of PM sent.
hellraiser
07-09-2009, 10:54 AM
i think that was a weired one i may have posted "ill take it pending question"
Got Stuff?
07-09-2009, 7:03 PM
There is always an idiotic rush to be the first one to post "i'll take it" on this forum weather the individual wants the item or not. Therefore the phrase itself is meaningless. At least in this forum.
.......From my perspective as a buyer and seller.
Another thing to remember is that the item may be offered for sale somewhere else as well.
I view "i'll take it" as the one next in line for negotiation.
This isn't wal mart where you can see, touch and feel something before you go to the check out line.
leelaw
07-09-2009, 7:30 PM
"I'll take it" means you have money in-hand, ready to buy the item being advertised. It should be a guarantee that a sale is sealed, unless the item is being grossly misdescribed.
For a seller and buyer, the call of "I'll take it" means that the line of potentials begins. There isn't a negotiating - you get that figured out beforehand. You say the three magic words once a deal has been reached that is acceptable to both parties, at which time the seller and purchaser should make a reasonable effort to finalize the transaction however it's going to take. It does not mean that you wait for the item to sell for $50 more on Gunbroker - that gets you kicked out of our Marketplace - and it does not mean that you show up and say "well I really want to give you $50 less for it, and just wanted to hard-sell it to you by getting you all the way out to this FFL".
joepamjohn
07-09-2009, 8:32 PM
I have sold a few items here and have had an " I'll take it" screw me once in the forum. The buyer PM'd me after posting he would take it ,then wanted me to ship the item even though my posting said FTF only.That deal eventually fell apart. That "I'll take it" no doubt turned off other potential buyers and I eventually placed the item on Gun Broker to sell it. I don't believe anything unless I get a PM and we have mutual VERY clear details ironed out first."I'll take it" means nothing to me unless that happens.
aplinker
07-09-2009, 9:48 PM
I'll put it this way. If you post, "I'll take it" as a buyer, it means you are going to break your back to make sure the deal happens ASAP for the price, at the location, etc. specified.
Everything is negotiable, but not when you say you'll take it before negotiations.
"I'll take it pending ...... " is a retarded post. There's no such thing. That's like saying, "I call dibs but I'm negotiating." Nope, doesn't happen. It's meaningless. You're the first negotiator. If the seller doesn't agree to sell to you, then an "I'll take it" before that question can be answered, agreed to, whatever means you just missed out.
For the OP's specific situation, the seller should have been up-front that he was willing to meet with the OP, but that he wasn't taking it off the market. IMHO that's perfectly fair. If the OP wants to be conditional, so can the seller.
C'est la vie.
Alan Block
07-09-2009, 10:14 PM
is an implied condition unless otherwise stated that it functions and is safe to shoot. If I say 'I'll take it' and the condition is not as stated or falls bellow functional and safe, then I will back off with no regrets.
nemisis1400
07-09-2009, 10:18 PM
This is about my A5. I waited way to long for the seller to meet with me. Two months and still I had the shotty in my safe ready to shoot or sell. I had to move on to the next in line. I needed the money for a new project. Our schedules could never be arranged to meet. I was not available during the day and he was not on weekends. What was I to do. I guaranteed you that it shot well. Several people on this forum have shot it and loved it but were not engaged to buy it they just wanted to shoot an old A5 so you could ask them if it worked. I did not mind to meet with you and I offered to pay for the round of trap/skeet and you did not have to pay for the PPT or DROS of it. I feel bad it did not work out for us to meet but I had to move on because there was a deal I could not pass up. I even offered to ship it and you pay me once you received it. Not many people will do that.
I didn't want to name anyone, but yeah it was. I remember spotting that back when that was a package deal along with a couple others and thinking "that's a great price for those pieces". Unfortunately, another guy got the 1917 and with that my interest. Later I see your a5 price drop so much that I just decide that I want this. I send a pm because before anything else I want to know if this is usable, don't take this the wrong way it's just that the shotgun I got before you took me a week to get a hold of, with him not wanting to fire it either, so now I have a shotgun from April I still haven't shot and am kinda spooked to fire. So now I do the try-before-you-buy thing, one piece took 4 months to setup and well I wasn't through enough because what was supposed to be 7 shot rifle is really a 1 shot rifle until I take her to a gunsmith and well that would cost 1/4th the price of the rifle.
For me your A5 was a really good deal, but there was no way that I would take something without testing unless it was something like a ar-15 which could be stripped for parts. Yeah I know the best deal goes to those who pay upfront, I'm just seeking a little clarification after seeing some other deals here.
MiguelS
07-09-2009, 10:24 PM
Items should be described in the post. iTrader is setup to verify that a seller is truly honest.
If the seller states something and it is not true, you can give neg feedback. If you questions, ask them in public, so everyone can know.
iTrader should help you when you have doubt.
sorensen440
07-09-2009, 10:32 PM
I'll take it means you will take it
If you want to look at it first thats fine but the first person to agree to purchase gets it
leelaw
07-09-2009, 10:52 PM
Items should be described in the post. iTrader is setup to verify that a seller is truly honest.
If the seller states something and it is not true, you can give neg feedback. If you questions, ask them in public, so everyone can know.
iTrader should help you when you have doubt.
Negative feedback is reserved for the occassions when someone end sup out of pocket for something, whether permanently, or for an extended period of time.
If it simply turns into "I showed up and the gun was 50%, instead of the described 98%" then that's deserving of neutral feedback.
hellraiser
07-10-2009, 4:25 PM
"I'll take it pending ...... " is a retarded post. There's no such thing. .
yeah maybe but just trying to be honest...
i put that for the sellers benifit not my own... i had evry intension to buy the item as described but had to iorn out the details.... i did it so other people who were intrested could "stay tuned"
if the seller had skipped me i woulndt have complained...
some times the easiset things dont work out like a time to meet up or a place to tranfer if not specified in the post.... just didint want to burn the seller... to many people burn sellers...
aplinker
07-10-2009, 5:02 PM
I wasn't trying to direct it at you, or anything.
I just mean it's a meaningless statement.
It's like saying your wife is pregnant pending conception.
yeah maybe but just trying to be honest...
i put that for the sellers benifit not my own... i had evry intension to buy the item as described but had to iorn out the details.... i did it so other people who were intrested could "stay tuned"
if the seller had skipped me i woulndt have complained...
some times the easiset things dont work out like a time to meet up or a place to tranfer if not specified in the post.... just didint want to burn the seller... to many people burn sellers...
CaliforniaLiberal
07-10-2009, 5:13 PM
My understanding is that "I'll take it" never means "I'd like to buy it if it checks out OK, are you free next Tuesday". I would never post "I'll take it" unless I was ready to buy right now. A PM with questions is always cool, but "First I'll Take It Always Wins"
CL
hellraiser
07-10-2009, 6:35 PM
I wasn't trying to direct it at you, or anything.
I just mean it's a meaningless statement.
It's like saying your wife is pregnant pending conception.
i got you....
and i agree, like i said even i was surprised...
joepamjohn
07-10-2009, 7:34 PM
I didn't want to name anyone, but yeah it was. I remember spotting that back when that was a package deal along with a couple others and thinking "that's a great price for those pieces". Unfortunately, another guy got the 1917 and with that my interest. Later I see your a5 price drop so much that I just decide that I want this. I send a pm because before anything else I want to know if this is usable, don't take this the wrong way it's just that the shotgun I got before you took me a week to get a hold of, with him not wanting to fire it either, so now I have a shotgun from April I still haven't shot and am kinda spooked to fire. So now I do the try-before-you-buy thing, one piece took 4 months to setup and well I wasn't through enough because what was supposed to be 7 shot rifle is really a 1 shot rifle until I take her to a gunsmith and well that would cost 1/4th the price of the rifle.
For me your A5 was a really good deal, but there was no way that I would take something without testing unless it was something like a ar-15 which could be stripped for parts. Yeah I know the best deal goes to those who pay upfront, I'm just seeking a little clarification after seeing some other deals here.
IMHO..You should not be looking at used firearms then. You should be willing to pay retail prices for a new gun from a shop with a warranty. I have sold a few guns here at good prices as is. I described them to the best of my ability and they all functioned at the time of sale. Meeting somebody at a range to spend half a day to "test ride" a $200.00 or $300.00 shotgun is not going to happen too often. I don't necessarily want friends, I just want to sell a gun. Besides, what possibly can go wrong with a Browning A-5 anyway? If the forearm isn't all busted up (and Professional Coyote's gun was all synthetic as I recall) then there is no reason why it would not fire. I say you need to do your homework and understand what it is you are buying or stay away from it. To purposely attempt to screw someone in this forum would be a death sentence for any future sale. That is why they have a feedback system.
Jonathan Doe
07-10-2009, 8:03 PM
When I say I will take it, I mean it. Some instances, I get messages from other guys that they have the same item for less, but I am commited, and I will honor my words. I like to save a few dollars, but my honor is more important.
Got Stuff?
07-10-2009, 8:20 PM
I'm sure none of us (not ever)(even online) has put something in our shopping cart and then a few minutes later decided decided that it wasn't as good as you thought it was and then put the item back.
For the record, I have never backed out of a deal on this forum.
No doubt that people need to be serious when they show real interest in an item! But in this type of online environment there are just too many times that there are too many variables.
I'm not even interested in buying stuff in the private sales forum anymore because I got tired of competing with "i'll take it" postings literally 30 seconds after the ad went up or after asking questions and relaying emails back and forth....end up losing out because some one else would rather post ill take it and ask questions later.
That said, I still think that all the areas here on CG are great and the "i'll take it" is a good concept. But a lot of times it just doesn't work as well as intended. The problem is that people are rushed to make a final decision before the first steps are taken.
brassburnz
07-10-2009, 9:39 PM
When I say I will take it, I mean it. Some instances, I get messages from other guys that they have the same item for less, but I am commited, and I will honor my words. I like to save a few dollars, but my honor is more important.
On forums like this, the only thing you have is your word. Unfortunately there are plenty of people out there who could care less about honor or keeping their word.
How easy is it for the flakes to sign-up again under a new name?
nemisis1400
07-10-2009, 9:44 PM
Really at this point in time I'm good for my stockpile and don't really need to add anymore right now. But when I saw 2 deals that were close by and about $100 I just went "screw it, I'll take it" and with that went all self restraint. I will honor my word when I hammer down an agreement, problem is the schedules. And as for the A5 I was more or less making a deal of "i'll let this float and if it gets to me it gets to me", I'm just having some remorse over this deal after looking at it for so long.
brassburnz
07-10-2009, 9:48 PM
Negative feedback is reserved for the occassions when someone end sup out of pocket for something, whether permanently, or for an extended period of time.
If it simply turns into "I showed up and the gun was 50%, instead of the described 98%" then that's deserving of neutral feedback.
What about a transaction where I post an "I'll take it" only to have the seller back out because he got an offer for more money. Can I leave negative feedback even though the transaction didn't occur with me?
This just happened with me today with a newbie member. Less than 50 posts. iTrader rating of less than 5 transactions. I guess I should have known better.
caldude
07-10-2009, 10:38 PM
I've bought at least 6 firearms on Calguns, and have not had any issues. Usually I have a couple of questions, but I have said "I'll take it" if the deal is good enough and the gun was described in enough detail. I've had to back out of one deal, and that was because I found out I was being laid off right in the middle of scheduling the meet. Luckily the seller was understanding.
aplinker
07-10-2009, 11:24 PM
What about a transaction where I post an "I'll take it" only to have the seller back out because he got an offer for more money. Can I leave negative feedback even though the transaction didn't occur with me?
This just happened with me today with a newbie member. Less than 50 posts. iTrader rating of less than 5 transactions. I guess I should have known better.
Sounds like a case for neutral, if you know that's what actually happened.
I used to want to be more harsh, but I've decided it isn't worth it. It doesn't really accomplish anything but create an over-policed situation where we're all just waiting for someone to slip up. If you can, I'd say let it go. You'll feel better. I mean it. :)
joepamjohn
07-11-2009, 7:17 AM
What about a transaction where I post an "I'll take it" only to have the seller back out because he got an offer for more money. Can I leave negative feedback even though the transaction didn't occur with me?
This just happened with me today with a newbie member. of less than 5 transactions. I guess I should have known better.Less than 50 posts. iTrader rating
I think the "Newbie" label in this form is BS. You were once a "Newbie" too (way back in 2006) and not everyone will ever come close to 84 i trader points like you have, so grading ones worthness by the amount of i Trader points they have is not a good gauge in my opinion. What you had was an unfortunate set of circumstances that can happen to any one. I think you just need to move on. Are you certain that the seller got more money for the item,or are you just guessing that since the deal fell apart and you are upset? Keep in mind that the seller can sell to who ever they want to based on what works best for THEM.
i just wish i could say "i'll take it." geez, the words even sound good! no, i am not unemployed; times are just tough. but... i did recently purchase a pristine w german sig p226 [tysons corner, va.] and it would STILL feel good to say those words. we should have a "i'm broke but still game" section....
Z ME FLY
07-11-2009, 12:05 PM
I love this thread :) It reminds me of my rant a couple of nights ago. A guy said he was going to buy my shotgun with my ammo. Then next day he says oh I got the big 5 special. Funny thing he spent more for the special +dros then my whole package! 100 round value pack, 00bk, slugs. I'm selling my shotgun today to Erik. Good calgunner! I'm glad I'm dealing with him. Hope that other guy reads this thread about saying "I'LL TAKE IT"
oh yeah if you flake on a seller with the I'll take it, DO NOT COMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR NEGATIVE FEEDBACK AND HOW IT'S UNFAIR, THE COST WAS TOO MUCH, BLAH BLAH BLAH
brassburnz
07-11-2009, 12:16 PM
Yes, I agree that everyone was a newbie at one time. I'm not saying not to buy from newbies. I have bought from people with low post and iTrader counts.
Am I certain the seller got more money for the item? Yes. While making arrangements for the FTF transaction, the seller told me someone had offered him $250 for the item and if I wanted it, I could still have it, but for $250, not the $180 we agreed upon.
I agree with your statement that the seller can sell to whomever they please, based upon what works for them. In this instance I posted and PMed an "I take it." We spoke on the phone to arrange a FTF transaction. Unfortunately, he could not make the first meeting as arranged. On the day we decided to meet again, I received a phone call regarding the new price.
This is Rule 10 for this forum. For Sale threads need to have a price listed, if you are unsure of what you want to ask for an item list a price you think is slightly higher than what you want to get and simply state, 'willing to negotiate'. You can also add 'OBO' (Or Best Offer) after your projected price. While this means you are willing to entertain offers it is NOT a license to auction, neither does it mean that it is acceptable to take a higher offer after you have agreed to a price and a deal.
I PMed one of the Moderators asking if I had sufficient grounds to leave negative iTrader feedback. I was told, "yes."
You suggest that I just move on. With respect to the needs of this deal, I have. The deal was for a Spike's Tactical .22 conversion with two magazines. If new, it's worth about $200 for the conversion and one mag. An extra mag is $35. $180-the price I agreed to is a fair price. $250 for used, no way. So instead, I picked up a Umarex imported Colt M4 made by Carl Walther.
But what about iTrader feedback? You suggest I move on. Do I just forget it as if it never happened? I can do that. But what about the next Calgunner the seller has to deal with? Shouldn't I warn my fellow Calgunner's what might be in store for them if they deal with this guy? What do you guys think?
Less than 50 posts. iTrader rating[/U]
I think the "Newbie" label in this form is BS. You were once a "Newbie" too (way back in 2006) and not everyone will ever come close to 84 i trader points like you have, so grading ones worthness by the amount of i Trader points they have is not a good gauge in my opinion. What you had was an unfortunate set of circumstances that can happen to any one. I think you just need to move on. Are you certain that the seller got more money for the item,or are you just guessing that since the deal fell apart and you are upset? Keep in mind that the seller can sell to who ever they want to based on what works best for THEM.
joepamjohn
07-11-2009, 1:13 PM
To brassburnz.... I think you got a raw deal. Simple as that. If the mods say your deal warrants negative feedback then go for it. My problem was your statement that the seller was a "newbie" with less than 50 posts and a low i Trader rating ,followed by "I should have known better". I was a junior member ("newbie") only 67 posts ago so that struck me as a generalization that all new member are apt to screw you more than a salty old veteran would.
MiguelS
07-11-2009, 1:18 PM
This is not an auction site, so doing something like that should not be condoned.
As for neutral/neg feedback. Neutral is left usually when you are afraid of getting neg feedback or have reached a comprimise.
Neg is left when you felt that you were lied to and decieved.
I was kind of in a similar situation recently about some ammo. I had asked them to post "I WILL TAKE IT", but neither did since it was all PMs...I was making arrangements with both parties though. I think I should of handled it a bit different, but I ended up selling t someone down south rather than local.
Z ME FLY
07-11-2009, 8:26 PM
Sadly, a lot of times after some has been spf other members try to shark the deal. I remember when I was selling my g17, I had it spf and then got a pm saying I'll give you a 10/22 +$$$! I told him that was a great deal and I would have taken it if he had pm me 30 mins before. I wish I could have taken the deal but I promised to sell the g17 to that person. Oh and the fact about noobs and seniors ripping people off is usually if a person has been on here for awhile, that means they aren't ripping people off and aren't flaking on deals. Noobs just don't have a track record yet so we just don't know. I have done deals with noobs and things have gone ok.
brassburnz
07-15-2009, 6:56 PM
Sadly, a lot of times after some has been spf other members try to shark the deal. I remember when I was selling my g17, I had it spf and then got a pm saying I'll give you a 10/22 +$$$! I told him that was a great deal and I would have taken it if he had pm me 30 mins before. I wish I could have taken the deal but I promised to sell the g17 to that person. Oh and the fact about noobs and seniors ripping people off is usually if a person has been on here for awhile, that means they aren't ripping people off and aren't flaking on deals. Noobs just don't have a track record yet so we just don't know. I have done deals with noobs and things have gone ok.
I sold a Smith& Wesson like NIB revolver to a guy with an iTrader rating of 1 and less than 20 posts. It took about a month to finalize the deal and I had to drive to Bakersfield from Los Angeles on a Sunday morning. If the buyer had flaked I'd have been pissed as h***. But I could tell from our phone conversations this deal wasn't going to be a problem, otherwise there's no way I would have done it.
Again, I'm not accusing all newbies of being flakes, but you just have to watch it. Getting burned as a seller or buyer is no fun. I try to treat people with respect. I try to be honest. I expect the same. What goes around, comes around.
Ksmash01
07-16-2009, 5:19 PM
I don't want to threadjack, but this thread applies directly to a blown sale that happened today.
Long story short.....After the shop made a mistake, and after the guy made a fuss, and after the shop and I tried to rectify the situation after we found out we were wrong which included an apology, the sale fell through because he didn't have a valid document that was needed to exempt him from the 10 day waiting period, nor was he willing to simply make the transfer normally and wait the 10 days, in order to close the deal.
I had the money in my pocket, and pending a signature on the DROS form, the sale was complete in my eye. It's not my fault that he didn't have his ducks in a row before coming to the shop. I also feel like any concessions I made within the original deal are void, considering he didn't want to make any concessions to make the deal go through at the time, not to mention waisting MY time/money to travel to make the deal go through. In other words, his lack of organization shouldn't result in my further loss, in my opinion.
I did send him new terms. If he doesn't like them then so be it.
I'll take it should also mean I have what I need to purchase it, and if you don't then the deal you made is off until further negotiations are had to protect the seller from waisting his time.
5150Marcelo
07-16-2009, 5:25 PM
If you're not certain that you will take it regardless of condition or any other qualifying factor, don't post "I'll take it". That phrase should be reserved for unequivocal purchase.
This...
unless the item is NOT as described or promised. Other than that, THIS!
Ishoot
07-16-2009, 6:01 PM
It's all about the follow through. Saying "I'll Take it" on an online forum should be the same as saying it FTF. Don't post it if you don't mean it.
CALI-gula
07-16-2009, 6:10 PM
"I'll Take It" means just that. No try-outs or auditions. You are taking it based on the information given. If you have questions - ask questions.
You meet with the seller to PAY him and process the PPT - not for second looks - unless you ask the seller to see it in person before you agree to buy, or if the seller presents something that is wholly different from posted descriptions and photos - then that is just simple misrepresentation on the seller's part, but it had better be really definitive significance as to why you decide not to buy it if your "I'll Take It" cut others out of the deal. And then that's a different story.
Other than that - I Won't Take it if you post an "I'l Take It" - and don't. :mad:
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