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09-25-2005, 11:51 PM
Hi all,
I always want to buy a telescoping baton and leave it in my car, just in case. What's the CA law on that? It's listed as police equipment, but is it legal to own/use/ carry in CA ? thanks.
Gab.

CraigC
09-26-2005, 12:13 AM
FELONY!


It's worse than if they caught you with a concealed pistol without a CCW license.

Charliegone
09-26-2005, 12:39 AM
Are you kidding a telescoping baton is illegal? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Then again what isn't in California http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

gunnm619@aol.com
09-26-2005, 3:06 AM
Kragen sells a great telescopic tire jack. The rachet style for the lug nuts, all steal, about $10. Looks almost the same design as baton, but a small curve at the end for the socket. Keep that in your car for both protection and flats.

dave3006
09-26-2005, 4:44 AM
A 6 cell C flashlight is a good choice too. Even one of the steering wheel lock thingies would do the trick.

delloro
09-26-2005, 8:21 AM
telescoping batons are forbidden to us citizens.

Mugwump
09-26-2005, 9:09 AM
How about a 7-Iron? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Mark in Eureka
09-26-2005, 11:26 AM
Reply
Unless you are a police officer or a licensed security officer with a baton permit, it is a felony to have a felony stick or baton. The law is very strick on striking weapons and other items used as striking weapons.

If you use anything as a striking weapon, and do not have a baton permit, you will more than likely will be charged with a felony. If however if you use a bat (for example) to block a knife thurst at you, you should be ok because it was used to defend and not to attack. If the bat hit the person in the head while you were trying defend yourself, more than likily you will not be charged because your intent was defense and not to attack.

saki302
09-26-2005, 11:32 AM
Even better-

I have nails, work gloves, cordless drill, and a framing hammer in my truck. All tools of the trade!!

I do like the NON-LETHAL capabilities of the baton over a hammer/torque wrench/knife- banning them is just stupidity, but that's CA for you.

-Dave

50 Freak
09-26-2005, 12:33 PM
My 6 cell maglite is clearly a flashlight. It was meant to be used solely as a flashlight and it was never my intention to use it to bash that carjackers head in. I just grabbed whatever was within reach as I was being attacked at the time and was trying to fend off any blows. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Oh....I was in fear of my life too. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

CraigC
09-26-2005, 3:51 PM
Originally posted by Mark in Eureka:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Reply
Unless you are a police officer or a licensed security officer with a baton permit, it is a felony to have a felony stick or baton. The law is very strick on striking weapons and other items used as striking weapons. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Also, possession must be associated with your job, i.e. you have to work for a security company, and you ought to be either on duty, or getting on/off duty on your way home. Any other time, you're a serf like the rest of us.

09-26-2005, 10:11 PM
look like I have to stick with my Mag Lite then ..... maybe water pipe , or maybe that carjack .....

TAZOR, anyone ?

Rumpled
09-26-2005, 11:36 PM
Among the other crap in my truck, I pretty much always have a big maglite and an aluminum softball bat. I also carry my bag with cleats, balls and gloves so it doesn't look wrong. But since I play (generally poorly) 2 to 3 nights a week, I'm always legit with the gear in case I'm ever in fear for my life.

bu-bye
09-27-2005, 12:43 AM
I keep a long breaker bar between my seat and the car door. It really is the best place for it. Driving a Camaro you don't have much room. I would rather be hit with a bat then this bar. Plus it has the right socket for my lugs so it changes tires too http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

leo@csuhayward.edu
09-30-2005, 7:04 PM
Originally posted by Charliegone:
Are you kidding a telescoping baton is illegal? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Then again what isn't in California http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

these are called ASPs, IIRC.

there are tons of things that are illegal in kalif, that are not firearms.

friend sent me a POST (police officer standards and testing) training book on illegal weapons.

make sure you carry a bat for defensive purposes that you also carry a mitt, some balls, maybe some cleats, etc.

so make it look like you just came back from the batting cages or something.

otherwise, carrying the JUST the bat in your car can be considered a no-no...

sigh...

saki302
09-30-2005, 8:03 PM
Yep, the all-evil Shobi-zue is banned in CA. Not that anyone has seen one out of a ninja movie. In fact, I haven't ever been able to find a picture of one.

Ninja stars are illegal- never mind I've never heard of rovingbands of ninjas in CA terrorizing people on the streets either.

And now practice grenades. oooooh- you might drop it on your foot and break a toe- better ban them too!

-Dave

socalguns
10-01-2005, 12:31 AM
Originally posted by leo d.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Charliegone:
Are you kidding a telescoping baton is illegal? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Then again what isn't in California http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

these are called ASPs, IIRC.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, that's what the coppers call'em.
ASP is the name of the company that manufactures'em.

MadMex
10-01-2005, 5:11 AM
Ever go fishing or need to check your tires?

http://www.batcona.com

I have one of the old school wooden versions (Roadpro brand, 19” OAL). It cannot be mistaken for a baseball bat unless you stand less than 3 feet tall. The last time I looked, my pickup truck had tires, therefore there should be no question about the tool’s utility. If you plan on carrying one in your vehicle, make sure it shows signs of use (on tires, that is). Stop by your local truck stop if you need one.

As noted by socalguns, ASP is a manufacturer that makes several items including collapsible / telescoping batons. They offer one of the most extensive baton lines (several lengths, materials, and finishes).

buford1
10-02-2005, 12:53 AM
I have a police billy club with the extra handle. Makes a great defensive tool. This to is verboaten. It's a Felony????

maxicon
10-02-2005, 10:43 AM
Yep, the all-evil Shobi-zue is banned in CA. Not that anyone has seen one out of a ninja movie. In fact, I haven't ever been able to find a picture of one.

What's interesting about the dreaded shobi-zue is that there was originally no definition in the CA law about what they were. A google search would find a bunch of references to the CA weapons law, but nothing more.

A few years back, they went through and added the definitions, so now you know if that gizmo you built is, in fact, a shobi-zue.

This whole set of laws definitely appears to have come after lawmakers saw one too many kung-fu films, and decided that SF was full of ninja gangbangers with exotic, silent, deadly weapons.

max

Charliegone
10-02-2005, 11:07 AM
Yup too many nunchuks and that sort being used in crime I guess. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

socalguns
10-02-2005, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by Charliegone:
Yup too many nunchuks and that sort being used in crime I guess. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
Oh no, my secret is out http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

saki302
10-03-2005, 12:05 AM
nunchucks aren't even a ninja tool- they were invented much later- I would guess most likely in the Philippines.

There's actually a very easy way to conceal nunchucks- stick one end down a coat sleeve, let the other end hang. It draws like a shoulder holstered weapon!

-Dave

imported_dadoody
10-03-2005, 2:38 AM
Hello, I took a law enforcement class in 2001.

Having a baton without a license is a Felony. A telescopic Baton is even worse because it also falls under concealed weapons law.

Carrying a gun is only a misdemenor http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


So when people tell you this state limits your rights to bare arms, they MEAN it.

BigAL
10-03-2005, 9:36 AM
Originally posted by Mugwump:
How about a 7-Iron? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

When I was in Philadelphia earlier this year I walked by a crazy homeless guy talking to himself and swinging a golf club on the sidewalk. Decided not to stick around to find out if it was an iron or a wood.

imported_1911_sfca
10-04-2005, 1:18 PM
Originally posted by &gt;_&gt;:
Carrying a gun is only a misdemenor http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


Well, it's a wobbler. Usually charged as a misdemeanor on 1st offense, if no extenuating circumstances, but that's not guaranteed. Depends on the situation and the county DA.

bwiese
10-04-2005, 1:48 PM
Originally posted by San Francisco, 1911:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by &gt;_&gt;:
Carrying a gun is only a misdemenor http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Well, it's a wobbler. Usually charged as a misdemeanor on 1st offense, if no extenuating circumstances, but that's not guaranteed. Depends on the situation and the county DA. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It also depends if the handgun has been DROSed to you - carrying a gun not DROSed to you will likely result in more severe charges/penalties.

Bill Wiese
San Jose

saki302
10-04-2005, 2:35 PM
According to packing.org:

Carrying without a Permit/License
Date updated: Jul 29, 2005 @ 9:42 am

California law has a gray area, a de facto quasi-right-to-carry. The state law provides that carrying a concealed weapon (including a knife or blackjack) is a FELONY, however, a clear exception exists. If you are carrying a gun (not a knife!) AND it was legally purchased AND it is registered to you AND you are not a gang member (yes, there is a statutory definition of gang member) AND it is your first such arrest, then concealed carry is a misdemeanor. A typical fine is $200.



The one issue I have is what if you're an older guy who bought a pistol before the DROS system was enacted (pre-1991, I believe?).. I guess you'd better buy a new one then!

-Dave

Charliegone
10-04-2005, 2:56 PM
Well at least I can still own this!


http://my1dollarbid.com/ebay/item_pic/KI_0100_WT.jpg

Mark in Eureka
10-08-2005, 11:03 PM
It is a PR-24, and is a Felony.

saki302
10-09-2005, 12:30 AM
Samurai sword- the original 1-hit stop!

I have one- a 400 year old blade- I wouldn't dream of actually using the thing though- I have a Cold steel Gurkha Kukri which was much cheaper!

-Dave