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the_foxtrot
07-06-2009, 5:36 PM
safir arms has a .410 upper for an ar15. i suppose with a pinned mag this would be legal in the PRK?

pics and info here (http://www.mynameisfoxtrot.com/journal/2009/7/6/ar15-upgrade-the-410-upper.html)

cgseanp1
07-06-2009, 5:38 PM
Shotguns have seperate AW laws.. I don't think you can have an adjustable stock, for one.

bohoki
07-06-2009, 5:56 PM
what is a pinned mag?

you mean like a bullet magazine release

tenpercentfirearms
07-06-2009, 6:01 PM
Yes, you would have to have a fixed stock and a pistol grip or a Monsterman Grip and a collapsible stock. You cannot have both a collapsible stock and a pistol grip on a shotgun.

Well, I have lowers still unused. This might be a fun one. How much is .410 ammo?

Flying Bones
07-06-2009, 6:05 PM
Yes, you would have to have a fixed stock and a pistol grip or a Monsterman Grip and a collapsible stock. You cannot have both a collapsible stock and a pistol grip on a shotgun.

Well, I have lowers still unused. This might be a fun one. How much is .410 ammo?

It's ridiculously expensive. Which is why after a box of .410 my buddies 11 y/o son now shoots my 12ga.

bohoki
07-06-2009, 6:08 PM
It's ridiculously expensive. Which is why after a box of .410 my buddies 11 y/o son now shoots my 12ga.

at walmart a box of 12ga goes for like $4.50 the .410 is $8.50

Gunaria
07-06-2009, 6:43 PM
Why?

I don't think it will be a very good seller.

Flying Bones
07-06-2009, 6:53 PM
at walmart a box of 12ga goes for like $4.50 the .410 is $8.50

More money, and less boom.

ke6guj
07-06-2009, 6:53 PM
I'm trying to decide if having a legal semi-automatic detachable-mag'ed .410 shotgun is worth the $500. Probably be just used for s***s and grins.

edit: since I only saw 5-round mags mentioned, I wonder if a standard mag would feed .410 shells, so as to get 10+ rounds in a mag?

norcal-ar
07-06-2009, 7:07 PM
Probably be just used for s***s and grins.


:gunsmilie:

sjpd
07-06-2009, 7:24 PM
Can you drop mags if you put this upper on a RAW lower?

ke6guj
07-06-2009, 7:26 PM
Can you drop mags if you put this upper on a RAW lower?why not, It already a Registered AW. What they gonna charge you with, manufacturing an AW?

tenpercentfirearms
07-07-2009, 8:26 AM
Something I just thought about. What about the 18" shotgun barrel minimum length?

professorhard
07-07-2009, 8:35 AM
All those uppers have 20in barrels. Only difference in the models is the length of the hand guards. The part that says one of the models has a 16in barrel is incorrect. Look at the place selling them, 20in barrels only with longer or shorter handguards.

reidnez
07-07-2009, 8:57 AM
I just don't see the point.

coop44
07-07-2009, 9:34 PM
If you go to all that trouble why not build it in 45/70, dimensionally similar, or even a shortened 45/70 case. The problems to overcome would be similar to the .410 i.e., rimmed case, magazine feeding. But you would have a really potent cartridge, also capable of being loaded as a shotshell with .410 wads. as you would any 12 ga brass case.

Gunaria
07-07-2009, 9:39 PM
How about getting a rifled barrel for it so that you can shoot .410 slugs or maybe 45 LC out of it as well.

While were at at just make a .500 S&W upper too and use it for bear hunting.:eek: (Maybe that won't fit a regular lower?)

ke6guj
07-07-2009, 9:42 PM
If you go to all that trouble why not build it in 45/70, dimensionally similar, or even a shortened 45/70 case. The problems to overcome would be similar to the .410 i.e., rimmed case, magazine feeding. But you would have a really potent cartridge, also capable of being loaded as a shotshell with .410 wads. as you would any 12 ga brass case.at that point, if you are gonna wildcat the 45/70 in order to get it to feed from the magazine, why not go with the .458 SOCOM or .450 Bushmaster, two cartridges that already have uppers designed for them?

Mississippi
07-07-2009, 9:59 PM
pointless IMO.

coop44
07-08-2009, 4:57 PM
BINGO!!!wow sarcasm does work