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slagusmc
07-05-2009, 4:10 PM
Hey guys, Im looking for some advice on buying a good tactical scope for a 308 rifle. Im hoping to spend under $500 (less would be great). Im looking at the SWFA SS scopes, Bushnell Elites, Falcon, and some Leupolds. Ranges for this rifle will be less than 800 yds max, most use at sub 300yds. If read alot of reviews online, but Id like to hear some of your person experiences. I have a Falcon Menace 4-16 right now on another rifle and I havent had any real problems with it so I know that is a half way decent option. The Leupolds in my price range are VX-1,2,3 models, but they lack the target turrets I want. Scope will be going on a PSG-1 type Springfield SAR-8.

THT
07-05-2009, 4:14 PM
I have a 16X SS on my Remington 5R and use it for 300-400yd shots. I don't have any complaints. Very clear glass and holds zero just fine with .308 recoil.

AlliedArmory
07-05-2009, 4:15 PM
i hear a lot of good things about super sniper scopes

Tonk
07-05-2009, 4:36 PM
You Just might give the Bushnell 3200 series Elite tactical scope a try! I purchased 3 of them for under $300 dollars on sale at Cabela's a few months ago. Yes, they do have turrets to and mil-dot reticule.;)

Stockton
07-05-2009, 4:39 PM
Super Sniper
Falcon
Bushnell Elite

All three have numerous review throughout the long range precision shooting communities. A majority of new and budget minded people tend to go that route. They do hold their values when it comes to resale....given they are in overall excellent condition. I own one of the SS and used to own an Elite and have never had any problems in tracking or glass. There is better though.

Just as food for thought....and you may hear this from others....if you can....save up for at least something in the Leupold line or better.

slagusmc
07-05-2009, 5:44 PM
HMM, thanks for the feedback guys, Does anyone have any ideas or experience with the Leupold Mark 2 or Even the new Leupold Mark AR? These are both around my price range although the Mark AR is designed for 223 I believe. Also, Ive seen some reasonably priced VX series 1,2,3 models, I can always add target/tactical turrets to these, how well do you guys think the lower level Leupolds stack up against these other scopes?

Desert_Rat
07-05-2009, 5:53 PM
http://www.snipercentral.com/milletttrs.htm
I too am looking for a good entry level scope for my new .308 I'm looking at this one. Millett trs-1

Kelvrick
07-05-2009, 6:03 PM
The new falcon 5.5-22 is great.

slagusmc
07-05-2009, 6:06 PM
Yeah, Ive looked at the Millet TRS-1 too. Got a ton of awesome features on it, probably more than most for its price... To be honest, I can afford to buy a top of the line scope but for the somewhat actual limited use that I will be putting it to, Id rather not pay that much. If I was back in the sandbox, Id buy top of the line but as Im not something more budget friendly would be nice. Hence my jeep has a $300 Smittybuilt winch VS a $1000 Warn...I dont get stuck THAT often, and if I do its not life or death,lol

a1fabweld
07-05-2009, 6:12 PM
Falcon Menace 4-14x44 FFP. About $470. Very nice & full of features.

SCMA-1
07-05-2009, 6:15 PM
http://www.snipercentral.com/milletttrs.htm
I too am looking for a good entry level scope for my new .308 I'm looking at this one. Millett trs-1

I have the Millett TRS-1 on my Savage 110FP/308 and it has been great. Great quality and features for $300. The glass isn't as good as my Nightforce but then again it's pretty darn good for less then 1/3 the price. I did the box test on mine and it returned to zero just fine. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it.

SCMA-1

http://i713.photobucket.com/albums/ww140/webbiz1/IMG_1174.jpg

Hans Gruber
07-05-2009, 6:15 PM
I got a Vortex 6-20x44mm on my .308 that I've taken to the range a few times with success. Just another name to toss on the heap for consideration :)

badhabit90
07-05-2009, 7:30 PM
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subscribed..:)

elSquid
07-05-2009, 8:09 PM
Another option: this Nikon 6-18x mildot Buckmaster is on perpetual sale at Midway for $300. It comes with a set of target knobs.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=123107

http://www.nikonhunting.com/riflescopes-buckmasters-buckmasters-6-18x40-sf.html

-- Michael

supermario
07-05-2009, 8:22 PM
Hey dont leave out Burris, those are great scopes for great prices. My hunting buddies have used them for years and years, in various weather environments without any problems whatsoever.

Rommel
07-05-2009, 8:35 PM
I have a Vortex Crossfire 6x24x50 w/ mildot reticle on my POF .308 that I just shot today for the first time. It was $200 shipped from Liberty Optics, nice scope for the price. Lots of features and good quality.

swerv512
07-05-2009, 8:58 PM
any comments on those osprey scopes....

sholling
07-05-2009, 9:09 PM
There are a lot of super scopes in your price range that will get you to 500-600yds. The problem is when you try to reach out 800-1000yds your lobbing the round. You need too much elevation adjustment for a lot of scopes. Second you'll want the sharpest image possible. The Super Sniper (I'm told) has the elevation range.

bombadillo
07-05-2009, 9:22 PM
Another option: this Nikon 6-18x mildot Buckmaster is on perpetual sale at Midway for $300. It comes with a set of target knobs.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=123107

http://www.nikonhunting.com/riflescopes-buckmasters-buckmasters-6-18x40-sf.html

-- Michael

If someone else didn't say this one, I was going to. I want to buy one just because it is priced really well. I think that this and the super sniper are going to be the best 2 options out there. Next after those, I would say the bushnell 3200 and 4200 elite series or the millett tactical series scopes are good bang for the buck. I can't vouch, but leupold makes great stuff but I keep hearing about QC issues and customer service problems as well. Good luck with your decision. I will buy a vortex from scott @ liberty because he's a great guy and I'd like to try these out as they have killer reviews everywhere I see them.

Vtec44
07-05-2009, 9:31 PM
Any good scope under 10" long? I hate to put a ginormous scope on my M4 replica. :D

sholling
07-05-2009, 9:47 PM
Any good scope under 10" long? I hate to put a ginormous scope on my M4 replica. :D
This (http://swfa.com/Nikon-1-4x20-Monarch-African-Riflescope-P12810.aspx) should be about perfect. I'd stick it a nice LaRue LT-104 mount.

slagusmc
07-05-2009, 11:07 PM
I actually had that same monarch scope in an SPR-E mount, didnt really like it too well, FOV on a scope that small sucked for me, although I know some guys like them. If I was scoping out my AR with a magnified optic, I would definately buy the new Leupold Mark AR...Leupold Mark 4 quality for $300! Wish the BDC wasnt set for 223 or my 308 would definately be wearing one!

SDJim
07-05-2009, 11:23 PM
I'm using a 16X42 SS on my FN XPR in .308 from 600 - 1000yds with a 20moa rail. Gets out to 1000 with plenty to spare with very repeatable adjustments.

slagusmc
07-07-2009, 8:14 PM
alright guys, I have been researching day and night and here is what I think im going to do. I found a new Leupold Mark 2 4-14x40 for $430, plan to add a set of Burris XTR rings or maybe Warne rings, should put me at a little under my $500 budget. What do you think? I really like my Falcon Menace 4.5-18x56 IR scope but since that scope is up to $400, may as well get the Leupold for the piece of mind...

Darklyte27
07-07-2009, 8:27 PM
supersniper 10x40 on my savage .308
its pretty nice no problems so far.
I also recently just got a vortex crossfire 6-24x50
its 218$ shipped from libertyoptics a vendor here on calguns.
I really like it as for its variable 6-24 zoom. you can say its a good bang for the buck scope, which 150$ went to a nice larue tactical scope mount.

rksimple
07-08-2009, 6:36 AM
alright guys, I have been researching day and night and here is what I think im going to do. I found a new Leupold Mark 2 4-14x40 for $430, plan to add a set of Burris XTR rings or maybe Warne rings, should put me at a little under my $500 budget. What do you think? I really like my Falcon Menace 4.5-18x56 IR scope but since that scope is up to $400, may as well get the Leupold for the piece of mind...

Quality will be about the same between the two. Parts for both probably come from the same chinese factory. Leupold does not mean "made in USA."

THT
07-08-2009, 7:06 AM
Quality will be about the same between the two. Parts for both probably come from the same chinese factory. Leupold does not mean "made in USA."
They do source a lot of parts in China but if I recall correctly, assemble in the US.

rksimple
07-08-2009, 7:17 AM
They do source a lot of parts in China but if I recall correctly, assemble in the US.

Maybe assemble sub-assemblies, but thats on their higher end scopes. And even those don't have enough done here to carry the made in USA stamp. A little explanation here. (http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1203770&page=1)

X-NewYawker
07-08-2009, 7:31 AM
Loopy Mark 2 is a tactical finished version of their regular one inch Vari-X II hunting scope (which has served American Hunters for like 100 years)

But I've heard good things about the MIllett -- what do t hey cost?

X-NewYawker
07-08-2009, 7:34 AM
They do source a lot of parts in China but if I recall correctly, assemble in the US.

They outsource lens grinding to Europe and Asia, scope bodies and the rest are machined and assemble here. The Body of a Leupold would be better made than a japanese scope. 've had Japanese Horus Scopes crack on the first shot because the tubes were not perfectly round.

rksimple
07-08-2009, 7:48 AM
the rest are machined and assemble here. The Body of a Leupold would be better made than a japanese scope. 've had Japanese Horus Scopes crack on the first shot because the tubes were not perfectly round.

Wrong. From the post of Terry Cross:

"Call back from Leupold informs me that the scopes are assembled in Oregon but so many of the parts and sub-assemblies are made over-seas (mostly China except for some of their lenses)that they do not qualify for the Made in USA stamp!"

Nightforces have tubes and subassemblies made in Japan and they beat the pants off of Loopy. Horus scopes aren't too hot. Don't use them as a Japanese benchmark.

sholling
07-08-2009, 7:50 AM
I haven't laid eyes on one yet but the Mueller Tac II (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=470919) has had good reviews. Chuck Hawks puts them in the same league as a Bushnell Elite 4200, Nikon Monarch, and Leupold VXII. There's a full review in the G&S members only area. If I were looking for a low cost "tactical" 3-10x44 I'd give it a serious look.
"Mueller designed their 3-10x44mm Tac II to bridge the gap between specialty tactical riflescopes and every-day hunting scopes. It is Mueller's top of the line model; a deluxe, four-star scope made in Japan and supplied with a Mildot reticle and target knobs. This 3-10x44 offers excellent optics, a comparatively wide field of view and adequate eye relief for use on high power rifles."

SCMA-1
07-08-2009, 8:37 AM
But I've heard good things about the MIllett -- what do t hey cost?

SWFA sells (when in stock) the Millett TRS-1 for $300

http://swfa.com/Millett-4-16x50-Tactical-30mm-Riflescope-P8812.aspx

ripcurlksm
07-08-2009, 8:37 AM
+1 for the Millett

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26594&stc=1&d=1246139302

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26676&stc=1&d=1246235061

slagusmc
07-08-2009, 8:59 AM
wow..What happened to Leupold? Guess Im old school but I thought that Leupold was top of the line...Thought that $430 was a great deal for a Leupold Mark 2 4-12x40, thought that was the best I could do on $500 budget. If thats the case, I guess I should just buy another Falcon Menace, Ive had great luck with the one I have and I think the quality looks great but I figured for durability and realiabilty, the leupold was the far better scope...Wow...

Jpach
07-08-2009, 2:09 PM
Which has more elevation adjustment, the Milletts or Bushnell Elite 4200s?

sholling
07-08-2009, 2:47 PM
Which has more elevation adjustment, the Milletts or Bushnell Elite 4200s?
That's hard to say, 4200s don't have huge amounts of elevation but optically they aren't even close. The 4200 is vastly better than any Millett that I've seen, although that may be changing now that Bushnell owns them.

swerv512
07-08-2009, 3:38 PM
i'm a leuppy fan, having two of them that have never given me problems- and leuppy customer service was top-notch when i sent a scope in for reticle and turret change, so i guess you'll have to choose whatever YOU like better. if you want something 100% made in the US you'll be forking over serious dough. there's crappy stuff made all over the world (japan and china included). pick what you like best and enjoy it...

Jicko
07-08-2009, 3:43 PM
Leupold $300 Mark AR scopes. "Made in USA". Mil-dot, 1/2 MOA adjustment. Clear, clean glass. Lifetime warranty.

ar15barrels
07-08-2009, 4:08 PM
Leupold $300 Mark AR scopes. "Made in USA". Mil-dot, 1/2 MOA adjustment. Clear, clean glass. Lifetime warranty.

Please post a picture where it shows the "made in the usa" mark on the leupold Mark AR scope.

THT
07-08-2009, 4:09 PM
That Millett TRS looks awfully good...I might pick one up just to play with it and gift my SS to my FIL.

SCMA-1
07-08-2009, 5:51 PM
Which has more elevation adjustment, the Milletts or Bushnell Elite 4200s?

There's no comparison; the Millett TRS-1 is a 30mm tube, Bushnell Elites are 1" (most models); Millett has approx. 100 MOA range of adjustment on both windage and elevation.

SCMA-1

ar15barrels
07-08-2009, 6:02 PM
There's no comparison; the Millett TRS-1 is a 30mm tube, Bushnell Elites are 1" (most models); Millett has approx. 100 MOA range of adjustment on both windage and elevation.

SCMA-1

Oddly enough, most economy 30mm tubed scopes don't have erectors that are any larger in diameter to pass more light than 1" tubed scopes.
They just take 1" scope designs and make the tube bigger because people buy 30mm scopes because of the percieved advantage.

rksimple
07-08-2009, 6:32 PM
And even then, bigger tubes don't pass more light at all. They just allow more erector travel.

But even the little 1" bushnell 3200 10x has an advertised 100moa internal adjustment. Sometimes, you can't judge a book by its cover.

swerv512
07-08-2009, 7:31 PM
But even the little 1" bushnell 3200 10x has an advertised 100moa internal adjustment.

anyone ever count those MOA to verify? sure does seem like alot....

rksimple
07-08-2009, 8:01 PM
I've had 3 of them and they've all been around 85 moa total. They are the best budget scope around. A hidden gem for sure.

slagusmc
07-08-2009, 8:18 PM
lol, after all this I made an impulse buy and Bought a Hensoldt 6x42 since that is a more original optic for a PSG-1 type rifle...For actual use Im probably still gonna buy a scope with more magnification for actual shooting...dang impulse buy,lol

gunsmithcats
07-08-2009, 8:49 PM
if ur still active duty, leupold has a freaking crazy mil discount program for its scopes. well worth looking into

ar15barrels
07-08-2009, 9:32 PM
anyone ever count those MOA to verify? sure does seem like alot....

I think my bushnell elite 3200 fixed 10x has 82moa of actual travel.

Beelzy
07-09-2009, 8:19 AM
Another vote for Leupold.

Mine are USA made too, maybe something changed in the last couple of years
with them. My scopes are a few years old.

Look at Danner Boots, use to be USA made boots only. Now they have
their Economy line with the Chinese made boots. Pitiful, but true.

ar15barrels
07-09-2009, 8:23 AM
maybe something changed in the last couple of years with them.

Yes.
They quit making the parts here in the USA.

Jpach
07-09-2009, 11:07 AM
There's no comparison; the Millett TRS-1 is a 30mm tube, Bushnell Elites are 1" (most models); Millett has approx. 100 MOA range of adjustment on both windage and elevation.

SCMA-1

Well thats good. But Bushnell has better glass than Millett correct? I saw one person say that in this thread but I would like the opinion of others as well

fusionstar
07-09-2009, 11:44 AM
Bushnell elite tactical models
Super Sniper
Falcon Optics


as for adjustment range.

He said he was only shooting 300yards or so.

And if he goes to 1k, a 20moa base would be in order.

aermotor
07-09-2009, 11:47 AM
I've recently got a Nikon Buckmasters 4.5-14x40 Mildot and it's really nice. Far better than the Bushnell's to me. Around $220 too.

rg_1111@yahoo.com
07-09-2009, 12:34 PM
aermotor,
Where did you buy it at?

I've recently got a Nikon Buckmasters 4.5-14x40 Mildot and it's really nice. Far better than the Bushnell's to me. Around $220 too.

ar15barrels
07-09-2009, 2:21 PM
I've recently got a Nikon Buckmasters 4.5-14x40 Mildot and it's really nice. Far better than the Bushnell's to me. Around $220 too.

That's what I run on my 22 precision rifle.

surfNshoot
07-09-2009, 2:34 PM
There are a lot of super scopes in your price range that will get you to 500-600yds. The problem is when you try to reach out 800-1000yds your lobbing the round. You need too much elevation adjustment for a lot of scopes. Second you'll want the sharpest image possible. The Super Sniper (I'm told) has the elevation range.


The 30mm Vortex crossfire and vipers have lots of adjustment. I think like 65moa to 100moa depending on which one.

sholling
07-09-2009, 2:36 PM
I'm seeing all kinds of claims of "my scope can beat up your scope". Let's try some objective rankings. Note that these are not in 100% agreement with each other.

Chuck Hawks (http://www.chuckhawks.com/recommended_riflescopes.htm)

Optics Talk (http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=16515&KW=ranking&PN=1)

Helpful FAQs (http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_topics.asp?FID=25)

rksimple
07-09-2009, 2:47 PM
I'm seeing all kinds of claims of "my scope can beat up your scope". Let's try some objective rankings. Note that these are not in 100% agreement with each other.

Chuck Hawks (http://www.chuckhawks.com/recommended_riflescopes.htm)

Optics Talk (http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=16515&KW=ranking&PN=1)

Helpful FAQs (http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_topics.asp?FID=25)

Not objective and not accurate. I like how the opticstalk one puts durability at 15% of the rating. Most guys competing/hard hunting with their optics would put that above optical clarity. I do.

He_Shoot_Me
07-09-2009, 2:48 PM
Have any of you tried Falcon scopes?

-Pat

ar15barrels
07-09-2009, 2:52 PM
I like how the opticstalk one puts durability at 15% of the rating.

Safe queens don't require durability.
This is the internet.
Nobody actually shoots their guns.

http://ar15barrels.com/tech/oil-track.jpg

Jicko
07-09-2009, 2:55 PM
Not objective and not accurate. I like how the opticstalk one puts durability at 15% of the rating. Most guys competing/hard hunting with their optics would put that above optical clarity. I do.

I agree..... I have seen $2k+ S&Bs fail right before the competition.... and at that point, it is worthless to the shooter.... no matter how "clear" it is...

;)

rksimple
07-09-2009, 3:09 PM
I agree..... I have seen $2k+ S&Bs fail right before the competition.... and at that point, it is worthless to the shooter.... no matter how "clear" it is...

;)

No, it was DURING the competition. As in middle of the frickin stage.

sholling
07-09-2009, 3:10 PM
Not objective and not accurate.Please quantify.

I like how the opticstalk one puts durability at 15% of the rating. Most guys competing/hard hunting with their optics would put that above optical clarity. I do.
That's personal opinion with a hunting scope. So few people ever break any of the premium scopes that I'll take optical quality as 51% of the equation for a hunting scope. However if you're in a survival situation I'd consider durability and optical quality equal. But a scope that slows you because its dark or not clear isn't much more useful than irons.

rksimple
07-09-2009, 3:20 PM
Please quantify.


That's personal opinion with a hunting scope. So few people ever break any of the premium scopes that I'll take optical quality as 51% of the equation for a hunting scope. However if you're in a survival situation I'd consider durability and optical quality equal. But a scope that slows you because its dark or not clear isn't much more useful than irons.

LOL. You're talking to a guy thats broken high end scopes and seen many of them go down. You need to get out more. I don't care how clear it is, if you're Schmidt goes down in the middle of a 2 day match out of state, its useless. Once you get experienced with high end optics, you see that its only slight differences in glass that cost A LOT of money. Like seeing 223 holes at 300 yards vs only 200. Its not much. Its nothing thats going to slow you down. You really need to spend some time behind some high quality glass. Hell, I went to a borrowed Nightforce from my S&B and I did better with it in competition (http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1176086#Post1176086) than with my S&B, despite its lack of relative "clarity." My first (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=160854) time out with it I didn't feel hindered by its "dark" glass nor did it seem to slow me down appreciably. And best of all, it didn't break. Thats more than I can say for my super optically superior S&B.

sholling
07-09-2009, 3:52 PM
I don't think anybody has ever described a Nightforce as a cheap or inferior scope. If you'd go back and read the thread you'd realize that the rating were linked to straighten out claims that a Buckmaster was better than a Bushnell and similar claims... Which Bushnell? Legend? 4200? There's been a lot of that sort of noise in this thread and it needed to be brought into perspective. However if you want to split hairs over which $1000 plus scope is better then I won't dispute your word - but it doesn't help the discussion. I don't think the OP had a Nightforce budget. Now if you have links to an objective ranking within the OP's budget please post them.

rksimple
07-09-2009, 3:59 PM
Your supposed "objective" reviews had high end scopes in them. The criteria they used is not well applied. I used examples. Get it? It applies to low end scopes as well. My back up scope that carried me through the rest of that 2 day match was a Bushnell 3200 10x mildot. It doesn't have the best glass, but its more reliable than many costing 2 and 3 times what it does. The more you break scopes, the more you see that reliability is job one.

sholling
07-09-2009, 4:07 PM
Your supposed "objective" reviews had high end scopes in them. The criteria they used is not well applied. I used examples. Get it? It applies to low end scopes as well. My back up scope that carried me through the rest of that 2 day match was a Bushnell 3200 10x mildot. It doesn't have the best glass, but its more reliable than many costing 2 and 3 times what it does. The more you break scopes, the more you see that reliability is job one.I don't have a problem with reliability as job 1 in a tactical scope - get it? But you're still not answering the question - give the OP some objective ranking in his budget. You're calling BS without adding anything constructive in its place. Educate us. I'm willing to learn. Rank the best $200-500 tactical scopes.

rksimple
07-09-2009, 4:15 PM
Rank the best $200-500 tactical scopes.

I have, as this topic comes up quite frequently. It depends on the type of shooting involved.

The Bushnell 3200 10x is killer. Most would be better served to get this scope for 179 and put the remainder into ammo or components. Thats whats going to make the real difference 98% of the time. The Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14 is a great scope as well but is hindered by lack of internal adjustment...so are many of the Bushnell 4200's for that matter. Durability of the Falcons has been spotty from what I've read. Otherwise they have a load of features for the buck. The info is out there. Just search for it.

With scopes in this price range, you pays your money and you takes your chances. There are but a few hidden gems in this arena so choose wisely.

swerv512
07-09-2009, 4:23 PM
I just broke down and bought a NF NXS....
I thought i was a Leuppy guy..... what's the world coming to?

rksimple
07-09-2009, 4:28 PM
You won't regret it. Excellent choice.

swerv512
07-09-2009, 9:05 PM
You won't regret it. Excellent choice.

it took all day long for me to imagine something besides a leupold in my safe.... it shipped today:)

ar15barrels
07-09-2009, 9:06 PM
it took all day long for me to imagine something besides a leupold in my safe.... it shipped today:)

haha.
Once you get it, it's going to be hard to imagine still having leupolds in your safe.
Good scopes are addicting.
You have been warned.

OutlawDon
07-09-2009, 9:22 PM
I just ordered the Vortex Viper 6.5-20x50 scope from Scott at Liberty Optics. Great price and Vortex has a $50 rebate going on for the Vipers. This is replacing a Nikon Monarch 6-24x50. Great scope but only major flaws was it only had 34MOA internal adjustment and no mildot reticle....I had the fine crosshair which was nice and preice. The Viper I got has mildots and a heathlier 68MOA adjustment along a light transmission of 95% or more, and a host of other nice features.

With the rebate and the price from Scott, it's hard to beat. I've been researching and shopping for a sub $500 scope for months now and this really fits my needs with good pricing, looks, and build quality. Of course, I haven't received it yet but will add a review on the performance once I get it. I could have as easily spent much much more for higher priced glass but there comes a point of diminishing returns and this is purely a hobby.

http://www.libertyoptics.com/index1.html

ar15barrels
07-09-2009, 9:34 PM
I could have as easily spent much much more for higher priced glass but there comes a point of diminishing returns and this is purely a hobby.

I think the point of diminshing returns on rifle scopes is somewhere between $1500 and $2000.

aermotor
07-10-2009, 1:14 AM
aermotor,
Where did you buy it at?

I've recently got a Nikon Buckmasters 4.5-14x40 Mildot and it's really nice. Far better than the Bushnell's to me. Around $220 too.

Got it from Optics Planet with a coupon code.

trashman
07-11-2009, 5:41 PM
Yes.
They quit making the parts here in the USA.

I'll be damned. I bought my first scope a couple years ago (a Leupy VX-I) and it's fine for the money (~$220) but on the far end of the magnification the (9x) it's not very impressive...all this time I had assumed the quality of the scope was due to declining craftsmanship here in the U.S...

--Neill

swerv512
07-11-2009, 5:49 PM
my VX-II is a 3-9 and it's pretty clear at 9...
i guess that's what people are describing as Leuppy's inconsisent product quality...

old and wary
07-11-2009, 6:13 PM
don't forget Burris great scopes for the money

Flying Bones
07-12-2009, 8:41 AM
Anyone else have a spinning head after reading all of this...ugh.
Is mil dot a "given" for rectile choice on a tactical rifle?
I too want a entry tactical scope for less than $500 but i'm still scratching my head about my choices.

ar15barrels
07-13-2009, 8:01 AM
I'll be damned. I bought my first scope a couple years ago (a Leupy VX-I) and it's fine for the money (~$220) but on the far end of the magnification the (9x) it's not very impressive...all this time I had assumed the quality of the scope was due to declining craftsmanship here in the U.S...

--Neill

The VX and rifleman series were the first ventures into offshore produced scopes.
When Leopold first introduced them as "budget" scopes, they made a big PR push about how all the other scopes were still being made here.

ar15barrels
07-13-2009, 8:05 AM
Is mil dot a "given" for rectile choice on a tactical rifle?
I too want a entry tactical scope for less than $500 but i'm still scratching my head about my choices.

Mil-dot, TMR, MP8 or any other graduated reticle.
You need something that has additional hold-off points or tick marks.

Read these:

Understanding MIL vs. MOA (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=154758)

The DOPE on DOPE. (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=199178)

calidude
08-04-2009, 10:59 AM
Just my two cents... I own a US SN3, and have owned 3 other USOs in the past, as well as several Leupold Mark 4s. I also own a Super Sniper, 17X... The SS 17X was on my 300 Win Mag rig (rig is now being rebarelled), and have been shot in the rain twice, for 45 minutes at a time, roughly. Both times, a small water puddle formed inside the objective (!). No loss of mechanical accuracy. Actually, I've never had any problem with this scope at all... Objects viewed through this scope isn't as clear as my USOs.

ar15barrels
08-04-2009, 11:17 AM
Just my two cents... I own a US SN3, and have owned 3 other USOs in the past, as well as several Leupold Mark 4s. I also own a Super Sniper, 17X... The SS 17X was on my 300 Win Mag rig (rig is now being rebarelled), and have been shot in the rain twice, for 45 minutes at a time, roughly. Both times, a small water puddle formed inside the objective (!). No loss of mechanical accuracy. Actually, I've never had any problem with this scope at all... Objects viewed through this scope isn't as clear as my USOs.

I have shot in the rain with my Nightforces as well as my budget Nikon Buckmasters.
No fogging or water problems besides a little rust on the screws that retain the knobs.

EDR
08-04-2009, 12:56 PM
I have a 10x Super Sniper on my M21 that's great, especially for the price.