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CAPTAIN MIKE
08-19-2005, 4:25 AM
I haven't heard anything new about it in awhile. How are things going with the Equal CCW rights campaign originated by Jim Marsh?

Colonel Klink
08-19-2005, 8:29 AM
Last I heard he was arrested for looking at a computer monitor while election results where being processed. Nothing since.

BTW if you go to his web site re CCW look for a letter from Oakland Police Chief Word. The addressee's name has been removed but I can tell you who the letter was sent to - it was me.

jnojr
08-19-2005, 10:10 AM
From what I know, Jim has been focusing on the Black Box voting machine thing. That's very arguably a much more important issue than CCW reform... if untrustworthy electronic voting machines come into widespread use, our whole way of life will dissapear at the whim of hackers and corrupt government officials monkeying with the vote. How long after that would we see a complete ban on the private ownership of firearms, sky-high Socialistic taxes, Congressmen-for-life, etc?

Let's keep our fingers crossed that redistricting stays on the ballot, and that it passes. The powers-that-be are desperate to spend any amount of money to stop it. If it passes, and survives the inevitable court challenge, we'll be much more likely to see CCW reform within a few years as our Legislature becomes more moderate and our representatives actually have to pretend to represent their constituents.

Kruzr
08-19-2005, 12:31 PM
How long after that would we see a complete ban on the private ownership of firearms, sky-high Socialistic taxes, Congressmen-for-life, etc?
That's quite a stretch there. Maybe the hackers are neo-cons. I'm sure you can dream up some logic to tie these issues together but I've got a hard time seeing it.

The bottom line is that Jim March couldn't support himself as a gun lobbyist and apparently, none of the groups who have money viewed him as representative worth supporting. Having to pay bills like the rest of us, he apparently found something that he hopes will pay him from taxpayer's coffers. Personally, I hope he doesn't get a dime from his whistleblowing. Not that it isn't a noble cause, but if he was so dedicated to the cause, he wouldn't want the reward from public monies. If the company that makes the machines has to pay him, then I don't have a problem with it.

With his latest foray into the public arena, he would make a very bad lobbyist for pro-gun causes.

I wish him luck in his new endeavors.

SunshineGlocker
08-19-2005, 1:20 PM
BTW if you go to his web site re CCW look for a letter from Oakland Police Chief Word. The addressee's name has been removed but I can tell you who the letter was sent to - it was me.
From the EqualCCW website, this letter from Richard Word:

May 29, 2001

Dear Colonel Klink,

I received your letter dated May 25, 2001 regarding a permit to carry a concealed weapon (CCW). It appears that there was some mis-communication between Sergeant Walsh and yourself. A letter is not a sufficient application for a CCW.

Please allow me to inform you as to my personal thoughts regarding CCW's[sic]. I am very reluctant to issue CCW's as a method of crime control or crime response. In my term as Chief of Police, I have only issued one CCW, and that was early in my tenure as Chief. Since then I have decided that there will have to be significantly exigent circumstances before I issue a CCW again. California law allows the issuance of CCW's to lie purely within the discretion of the law enforcement executive.

After reading your letter, I do not feel that your situation warrants a CCW. California law allows you to have a weapon in your home (provided you qualify for ownership of a weapon in general). I would discourage you from applying for a CCW with me. Instead, know that the Oakland Police Department Community Services Section offers residents classes and security survey's [sic] to help deal with potentially dangerous situations without resorting to firearms. They can be reached at 238-3066.

As a last resort, the law allows for the Sheriff of the County to also issue CCW's to County residents. You are allowed to contact Sheriff Plummer and apply for a CCW with his agency.

Thank you for your letter, and I wish you a safe time in the city of Oakland,

Sincerely,
[signed]

One interesting thing to note here is that Chief Word establishes clearly that issuing CCWs is a method of crime control. In other words, he agrees that it reduces crime. Why, then, would he not be promoting it? Strange position for a Chief of Police to take, especially in a city with crime problems, like Oakland.

I'm glad Jim is working on the case. He's a one-man army of reform.

imported_kantstudien
08-20-2005, 1:15 AM
Originally posted by SunshineGlocker:


One interesting thing to note here is that Chief Word establishes clearly that issuing CCWs is a method of crime control. In other words, he agrees that it reduces crime. Why, then, would he not be promoting it?[/QUOTE]

I do not think that you can feasibly argue that from the letter. He states that he is reluctant to issue a CCW because presumably, it doesn't work (in his opinion). Nowhere does he admit that it will actually reduce crime.