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professionalcoyotehunter
06-25-2009, 8:20 PM
Anyone heard of a .221 Fireball ? Who manufactures it ? Do you have any pics of one ?

5150Marcelo
06-25-2009, 8:22 PM
Ive heard of it. Google is your friend!

VegasND
06-25-2009, 8:23 PM
Anyone heard of a .221 Fireball ? Who manufactures it ? Do you have any pics of one ?
A friend of mine had one way back in the '70s. Remington made the pistol, a bolt action, and the cartridge. Never very popular, but kind've cool.
http://www.douglasridge.org/browning.jpg
http://accurateshooter.net/Blog/fireball2x315.gif
Not a bad little varmint round, but not near the power of a .222 Rem.

professionalcoyotehunter
06-25-2009, 8:45 PM
Cool, You guys are always there for me when I need you. I googled it for an hour with no info.

calixt0
06-25-2009, 8:48 PM
a couple of years ago you could find them in remington rifles as well as CZ. the ammo is a bit hard to come by. from what I understand it is a 357 mag case necked down to .221 (don't hold me to that but that is what keeps popping into my head). a fun and accurate round in the right gun... does wonders on ground squirells.

JTROKS
06-25-2009, 8:49 PM
Remington just wildcatted this round calling it 17 Remington Fireball. The 221 is a nice round for specialty guns with short barrels. The 223 Rem gives a fair amount of blast when shot through short barrels, the 221 tames that a bit. You would think someone would've though about the 221 Fireball when a compact PDF carbine/sub machine gun was in the drawing board. It has enough to reach out and take out varmints out to 300 yards when shot through a varmint rifle, the pay off is very mild recoil. As far as I know 222 Rem or 223 Rem brass can be used to form 221 Rem Fireball brass. Brass is not abundant, but can be found here in there in 100 count bags.

Texwanders
06-25-2009, 9:09 PM
Mmmm...it is a gem, a unique cartridge.

First, it you only care about handguns named Glock, or don't handload, it probably isn't the cartridge for you.

It was a fairly risky innovation by Remington, in the early 1960's. It started as a shortened .222, produced for their XP-100 pistol. They sought to have a cartridge that would give varmint-class velocities out of a 10" pistol barrel, and IIRC it would shoot 50gr bullets at 2700 fps. The small case was because, realistically, that about as much powder as you can burn in a 10" long 22 barrel. Even so, it was known for its muzzle flash, hence the Fireball name.

It was also known for jaw-dropping accuracy. More than one person has claimed that their XP is the most accurate firearm they own, let alone pistol. It inspired many other innovations, such as the Contender line. If you like the idea of a pistol that can out-group most rifles, you should give it a look.

It is still available in in Remington and Cooper rifles, and is chambered in Contender barrels. If you want a cartridge that will run 50 grain bullets at 3000 fps (only a little less than a .222) out of a rifle, it offers excellent accuracy, frugal powder consumption, and long barrel life. At the same time, it easily beats older varmint rounds, like the .22 Hornet and .218 Bee as far as velocity.

The original XP-100 didn't work well for me ergonomically, but when I think about building a "no excuses" rifle that could always be counted on to deliver superb accuracy and long barrel life, it looks pretty attractive :)

BigRich
06-25-2009, 11:20 PM
a couple of years ago you could find them in remington rifles as well as CZ. the ammo is a bit hard to come by. from what I understand it is a 357 mag case necked down to .221 (don't hold me to that but that is what keeps popping into my head). a fun and accurate round in the right gun... does wonders on ground squirells.

This cartridge is known as the S&W 22 Jet Magnum. S&W chambered it in their revolvers. It had problems backing out onto the recoil shield and tying up the revolver.

professionalcoyotehunter
06-26-2009, 7:26 AM
My dad was just talking about it and I wondered what it was and looked like. Thanks for your help.

JTROKS
06-26-2009, 9:15 AM
I'm assuming if you load the 22 Jet Mag to lower pressures it will cure the problem. Although you may as well shoot 22 magnums instead. Are we talking 221 Fireball or 22 Jet Magnum?

professionalcoyotehunter
06-26-2009, 9:29 AM
221 Fireball. Anyone know who might have one for sale. I have tried Gunbroker for months.

Army
06-26-2009, 9:32 AM
Cool, You guys are always there for me when I need you. I googled it for an hour with no info.
You need to work on your Google-Fu

Typed in 221 fireball, got at least 800 history hits for it.

JTROKS
06-26-2009, 9:47 AM
Some won't ship to CA, but there are still 221 Fireball rifles and XP100 for sale. Get a G2 Contender and you'll have the capability to switch calibers and configuration at your leisure.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132061126
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132104679
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132351059
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132143744
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132396825
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132139302

The Cooper is one heck of a nice varmint rig. I shot one in 223 and the darn thing kept putting rounds touching each other at 100 yards. It was too easy to shoot accurately, maybe the high magnification Zeis scope helped too.

lunde
06-26-2009, 9:48 AM
My dad owns at least two rifles chambered in .221 Fireball, both of which are Cooper Arms M21 rifles. One is a Classic, and the other is a Varmint Extreme. He loves the cartridge. It is also the parent case for .17 Mach IV.

There's a nice Cooper Arms M38 in .221 Fireball up on GunBroker at the moment. See: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132104679

There's an identical rifle for sale on GunsAmerica for $200 less, from my preferred dealer (First Stop Guns in Rapid City, who ship to California). See GunsAmerica #988148744.

The best part is that there is factory brass available.

professionalcoyotehunter
06-26-2009, 11:38 AM
You need to work on your Google-Fu

Typed in 221 fireball, got at least 800 history hits for it.

Wow all I got were some weird pics.

professionalcoyotehunter
06-26-2009, 11:39 AM
Some won't ship to CA, but there are still 221 Fireball rifles and XP100 for sale. Get a G2 Contender and you'll have the capability to switch calibers and configuration at your leisure.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132061126
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132104679
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132351059
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132143744
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132396825
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=132139302

The Cooper is one heck of a nice varmint rig. I shot one in 223 and the darn thing kept putting rounds touching each other at 100 yards. It was too easy to shoot accurately, maybe the high magnification Zeis scope helped too.

Funny thing is I am trading for a 17HMR G2 T/C today for my Browning A5 I will keep my fingers crossed.

gef
06-26-2009, 3:53 PM
I saw my first Remington .221 Fireball in Oakland, many, many years ago at MontgomeryWard. Still think about have a barrel made for my Contender some day.

22popnsplat
06-26-2009, 4:17 PM
221 fireball necked up to 30 is the 300 whisper , 357 can be necked down is 22 jet . two of my contender barrels are the 300 whisper and 22 jet

gunboat
06-26-2009, 6:53 PM
If you get one, I have about 100 rounds available --- It's a real nice cartridge, but in practicality it shows no advantage over the 222 in a rifle -