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jcaoloveshine
06-21-2009, 10:36 AM
So I've decided that I want a 45ACP handgun, now the question is deciding the make and model.

I've got 3 options so far, to get (X) model/make (suggestions welcome, $800 range), a mid-range 1911 in the 800 dollar range, or to get a cheap Springfield milspec with good barrel lockup and get gunsmith work done on it to bring it up to the 800 dollar level (I've heard this is actually a very cost effective method since you end up with a gun that shoots better than the 800 dollar ones).

What I'm looking for is accuracy and reliability, what kind of 45s do you guys have and what has been your experience?

Greg-Dawg
06-21-2009, 10:48 AM
Kimber.

Go to a rental range and try out as much as you can. Make sure you adhere to their range rules.

Gavin Twosome
06-21-2009, 10:49 AM
1944 Singer 1911A1 !

Vacaville
06-21-2009, 10:50 AM
Kimber fits right into your budget. High quality and lots of models to choose from.

jcaoloveshine
06-21-2009, 10:50 AM
What kind of Kimber would be best for the $800 range? I've checked out Kimbers, but it seems like a majority of them are in the 1k-1.5k range.

sierrawoodsman
06-21-2009, 10:54 AM
1944 Singer 1911A1 !

+1000000:smilielol5:

goathead
06-21-2009, 10:58 AM
kimber!!

Legasat
06-21-2009, 11:29 AM
All I can tell you is that I am very happy with my M&P 45.

Reliable, accurate, very easy to shoot, and the best customer service in the business.

You could get one of these, and still have a couple hundred left over for ammo.

Just a thought.

HCz
06-21-2009, 11:35 AM
S&W or Rock Island Armory

cookmonsta
06-21-2009, 12:32 PM
+1 for Rock Island, my 1911 has been flawless and can't stop bragging about it. not to mention its half the price of a Kimber and most Springfield 1911s.

Miltiades
06-21-2009, 1:15 PM
I'd get a Sig P220, which is right in the $800 price range. You said you wanted reliability, which is generally the strong suit of Sigs in general. I don't own a P220 but do have 3 other Sigs, and am impressed with the brand. My next Sig will probably be a P220.

http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/P220-TT-detail-L.jpg

Vacaville
06-21-2009, 1:20 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=196265

Not sure where you live, but here's a nice Kimber right here.

sp_train_77
06-21-2009, 1:27 PM
So I've decided that I want a 45ACP handgun, now the question is deciding the make and model.


Have you thought about the Smith & Wesson Model 22? It is about in the middle of your price range.

What is the Model 22? It is a contemporary large-frame Smith based on its WWI 45 ACP revolver. Nice gun if you have slightly large hands, great double action, quick reloads with half-moon clips. Plus it offers you the opportunity of loading your carry gun with different types of ammo with worries about feeding.

bombadillo
06-21-2009, 10:19 PM
If you can get a decent use one, you could go with a Dan Wesson PM7 for 850 or so. That kimber target II was really sweet posted above. A springfield loaded wouldn't be too much more than what you're looking to spend, or just a good ol springfield mil spec or smith and wesson wouldn't be bad either. I'd spend the extra money and go for the D.W. PM7 if you can afford it. Really nice guns for the money. My next 1911 will be that gun.

MiguelS
06-21-2009, 11:00 PM
I'd get a Sig P220, which is right in the $800 price range. You said you wanted reliability, which is generally the strong suit of Sigs in general. I don't own a P220 but do have 3 other Sigs, and am impressed with the brand. My next Sig will probably be a P220.

http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/P220-TT-detail-L.jpg

Yes, my next purchase as well.

wildhawker
06-21-2009, 11:35 PM
Good, solid advice on the P220. Same with the Dan Wesson PM7.

I'll say this about Kimbers: I'm not a huge fan of series II Kimbers. Of those we've purchased and others we've handled/shot, I would say they are respectable but overvalued. My next carry 1911 will be a DW CBOB; wife's got a Kimber Eclipse Ultra II I plan on sending out to Tussy for some reliability work/action job, carry smoothing/beveling, removing the Schwartz, and installing one of these sights
http://www.tusseycustom.com/images/gun1.JPG
http://www.tusseycustom.com/images/gun2opt.jpg

Other very worthy ~$800 options are HK USP in .45, CZ-97B, Spring XD-45. I did not mention a Glock (although worth a look) because my experience doesn't allow for more than basic knowledge of those firearms, although many shoot well with them. Rental ranges and friends - rent and borrow many until you find what works. Then shoot over to the sales sections and grab one :D

Others may be more acutely aware of the costs if they've done the same recently, but I have a hard time thinking that a Mil Spec 1911 (by the time you get it out the door) will leave you with much to play with at a gunsmith, at least to any relevant degree. Long-term, the Mil Spec would allow you to slowly build what you want. The other options are out of the gate performers at your price point, just not 1911s (with the exception of the DWs).

-Brandon

I'd get a Sig P220, which is right in the $800 price range. You said you wanted reliability, which is generally the strong suit of Sigs in general. I don't own a P220 but do have 3 other Sigs, and am impressed with the brand. My next Sig will probably be a P220.

http://www.sigsauer.com/upFiles/catalog/product/P220-TT-detail-L.jpg

toopercentmlk
06-22-2009, 12:21 AM
My first handgun was a Glock 21. It had a great low bore axis which offset the relatively high recoil since it was a light weight polymer frame, strong but controllable. It wasn't the first handgun I had experience with, but the first that I dedicated a lot of time with getting my shot down. The trigger reset on the Glocks make them very consistent; if after you pull the trigger you keep the trigger down, then slowly release it, the trigger reset is a very reassuring click then you're immediately ready for the followup shot.

The Glock 21 might not be the best for a starter handgun, but from my experience if you wanted a Glock, go with a 17, 19, or the long slide 34 or 35! I would love a Glock 35 to augment or replace my USP Expert.

CSDGuy
06-22-2009, 12:33 AM
Kimber, Springfield, Rock Island, Sig 220, M & P 45... all good choices in that caliber. Glock 21 is also a good choice. Go to a range. Rent a 1911 Kimber. Then rent a Sig 220. Then rent a Glock 21. Then an M & P... maybe not in that order... but try them out. The reason I say to rent the Kimber is that it's a good representation of a decent 1911 from any maker in that price bracket. Springfield makes some good 1911's. Rock Island is supposed to be a VERY good value...

I happen to own a Springfield 1911A-1. I like it as it is. Eventually, I may put a skeletonized hammer and a beavertail grip safety on it... but I'd change very little else. While I can't complain about it, the Kimbers just feel smoother while shooting than my Springfield. I also found out that I really like Sig P229's... the P220 should be just as nice. ;)

Basically, the advice is to shoot some example guns... and then choose the one YOU like best.

Black Majik
06-22-2009, 8:09 AM
The difference in price for a bare bones Springfield 1911 GI/Milspec and a $800 1911 isn't going to be enough to justify dropping money into a stock Springfield.

Say the Springfiled you're looking to upgrade costs $550 (hah, good luck finding one at that price). You'll find that $250 isn't a lot of money to work with to get it up to the level the Kimber Custom II, Springfield Loaded, S&W1911 guns come with out of the box. New extended thumb safety, blended grip safety, recut and installed fixed Novak sights (or fixed sights of your choice), new hammer, new trigger, beveled magwell, and in the end a new refinish. That isn't including front cocking serrations and FLGR (gag).

The base model, factory optioned guns are actually a decent value for the price. Lots of useful factory options right out of the box. Up the price a bit and it'll get you into a Dan Wesson.

Good luck and happy shopping.

JTROKS
06-22-2009, 8:56 AM
What I'm looking for is accuracy and reliability, what kind of 45s do you guys have and what has been your experience?

Look no further this fits the bill except the $800 price tag, unless you find a used one.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/14/625.jpg/800px-625.jpg
S&W 625.

BlackDrop50
06-22-2009, 9:17 AM
Kimber Custom II

CSDGuy
06-22-2009, 10:11 AM
WRT: Kimbers and Springfields in the $800 range... if you're going to spend that money, just get one that is in that price range. It really is hard to match those factory deals on parts... if you're going from a bare-bones stock gun. If you get one with rails, be aware that many standard molded holsters meant for the stereotypical 1911 frame won't fit. You'd have to get one meant for rails...

I have a gun that has rails built in... and it's a GLOCK. I like mine... It's a good, reliable gun. My Springfield 1911A-1 is also very reliable. It's nearly a bone stock pistol, but it has never failed to feed or extract anything I've fed it and is sufficiently accurate to do what I need it to do.

TheClap1
06-22-2009, 10:38 AM
I love my Glock 21. I tried a couple of different 45's at the range, hk to the 1911's but I shot the Glock better then the others.

SigLion
06-22-2009, 1:20 PM
I agree with the others who have recommended a Sig Sauer P220. I love mine and it shoots great. They will be fairly close to your budget and will be very durable and fun to shoot.

arjedi
06-22-2009, 1:31 PM
The HK USP is an amazing gun. Very accurate.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_47/products_id/15374

tmuller
06-22-2009, 1:42 PM
In a 1911 platform I second the recommendation for a DW CBOB. I'll keep it CZ by recommending the CZ-97B also for a .45 semi-auto. Both great guns....good luck.

http://photos.recreationalloser.com/albums/userpics/10002/normal_classic-commander-bobtail-2.jpg

http://www.imageseek.com/hbeleather/gallery/albums/wallpaper/CZ_97_B_pl.sized.jpg

Bill of Ojai
06-22-2009, 4:04 PM
SA Mil Specs are great! If you wish, send it off to Bar-Sto Precision for a fitted target barrel and you have a budget tack driver sleeper.

jcaoloveshine
06-22-2009, 4:11 PM
All good options guys, thanks a lot.

Right now I'm leaning towards either a Kimber Custom II or a USP, but obviously I'll shoot whatever 45s I can get my hands on.

I've heard USPs are very accurate but apparently their ergonomics are not as user-friendly as Kimbers?

Black Majik
06-22-2009, 5:15 PM
All good options guys, thanks a lot.

Right now I'm leaning towards either a Kimber Custom II or a USP, but obviously I'll shoot whatever 45s I can get my hands on.

I've heard USPs are very accurate but apparently their ergonomics are not as user-friendly as Kimbers?

Depends. The USP will probably be more accurate. One is single stack while the other is doublestack. Both can be carried condition 1, the USP also has an option for DA/SA carry. Short slack, short reset on the Kimber, long slack, long reset, heavy gritty DA on the USP.

USP is easier to fieldstrip, 1911 easier to detail strip. If you get a Kimber Custom II, make sure it has an internal extractor. Extra points if it says "Classic" on the side of the slide.

Good luck!

quickcf
06-22-2009, 7:09 PM
They are all great choices but it's tough to beat a good 1911 trigger.

CD MCKINNEY
06-23-2009, 5:56 PM
I suggest you go with a 10MM 1911, as the accuracy and power beats the heck out of .45 acp.
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wildhawker
06-23-2009, 6:03 PM
I suggest you go with a 10MM 1911, as the accuracy and power beats the heck out of .45 acp.
26295

Yes, let's suggest a handgun requiring ammunition even more difficult to find in quantity than .45 and of a completely unneccessary caliber... :rolleyes:

jcaoloveshine
06-23-2009, 8:16 PM
haha i'd buy a 10mm if i wanted the recoil and the extra price per round lol

CD MCKINNEY
06-24-2009, 5:40 AM
Those replies are typical of those ["panty-waists"] who have minimal knowledge of the 10MM, and those who place price over defense...........
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HondaMasterTech
06-24-2009, 6:41 AM
Glock 30.

scr83jp
06-24-2009, 7:00 AM
So I've decided that I want a 45ACP handgun, now the question is deciding the make and model.

I've got 3 options so far, to get (X) model/make (suggestions welcome, $800 range), a mid-range 1911 in the 800 dollar range, or to get a cheap Springfield milspec with good barrel lockup and get gunsmith work done on it to bring it up to the 800 dollar level (I've heard this is actually a very cost effective method since you end up with a gun that shoots better than the 800 dollar ones).

What I'm looking for is accuracy and reliability, what kind of 45s do you guys have and what has been your experience?Sig Sauer P220 accurate to 50 meters per a police officer trained by the USMC at Colt as an armorer.When I mentioned the construction of my sig he told me after shooting 10K,20K,30K,40K or 50K rounds of 45acp come on back and tell him what I think of the Sig P220.My initial trial at a range with a silhouette target at 7 yards I had fired about 75 rounds and thought I was missing the target until I pulled it realizing all of the rounds had gone in a 2x3 inch opening center mass .A future LAPD cadet was alongside of me shooting his Beretta 92 9mm his shots were all over the silhouette target without any groups.

wildhawker
06-24-2009, 11:18 AM
Those replies are typical of those ["panty-waists"] who have minimal knowledge of the 10MM, and those who place price over defense...........
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Yes, I think you're probably right; the FBI, Massad Ayoob and 99.9% of us here are closet "panty-waists" who tremble at the thought of the 10mm.

I'm sincerely hoping your reply was meant in jest.

Goats
06-24-2009, 4:04 PM
I have a HK USP. I liked it so much that I picked up a USP 9mm last year just cuz the ammo was cheaper.

bsg
06-25-2009, 9:52 AM
i have older w german sigs; many tout that the mid 90s american p220 [and other sigs] was the best time for over all quality. my sigs are late 80s to early 90s and all w german. you can pick up [getting harder to find] older p220 for between $600 and $700 in pristine condition. newer is not necessarily better although the warranty on a new gun is a factor for many people. i don't know your specific needs but the newer guns have options such as rails that older ones do not have, as far as sigs go. i am only presenting the sig option because of my preferences, but with an $800 budget your horizon is wide open....