Any one sell an AW this year?

[mj1]

Besides the out of state buyers FFL what else do I need?

TIA
..MJ...

[sorensen440]

Assuming you own a registered assault weapon and need the cash I suggest stripping it down to the bare receiver (so you can someday built it back up) and selling the parts

[mj1]

Joke, right?
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..MJ..

[DDT]

I don't understand your post. Were you making a joke in your first post? If you actually have a registered assault weapon that you cannot keep for economic reasons your best return on investment is often to sell it either stripped down or to replace the existing receiver with an off list receiver assuming you have a RAW that is configured in such a way that this is possible.

RAW paperwork is essentially priceless unless you are an LEO, Military or FFL, trainer etc. with LEO/Military contracts.

Eventually I think everyone expects the AWB to be gone but here is no guarantee and even if it does go away it could take years, even a decade or more.

[mj1]

Looks like I won't get a stright answer here. What is with this tear it down BS. An all matching numbered forged receiver Legend AK is worthless to me or any buyer in bits, same goes for my Galil ARM. The parts are so darned cheap. When I sold my HK collection years ago all I was told by DOJ was keep a copy of the dealers FFL and let DOJ know I was no longer in possesion.

Well thank's for the run around and I will remember to strip my car next time I sell one off.

And please if you can't give the correct answer don't reply.

Cheers
...MJ...

[odysseus]

mj1, I think you need to slow down a second - don't be upset. What happened is some assumed it was an AR, since ARs are the majority AW. Stripping it to the lower is common, since a bare AR lower is cheap - but having an AW in Cali is not.

The other point being made is that most people would not consider it a value to sell off a Cali AW, since the price obtained out of state is really not much for most platforms, and again it is irreplaceable to you at this time.

Thus, very few people have sold any of their Cali AWs.
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[kap]

What you are asking is a little confusing since I wasn't aware that you could sell or transfer an AW in CA unless it was to an FFL with a class 3 license or someone with a new AW permit, which CA has not granted to anyone recently.

[bwiese]

Looks like I won't get a stright answer here. What is with this tear it down BS. An all matching numbered forged receiver Legend AK is worthless to me or any buyer in bits, same goes for my Galil ARM. The parts are so darned cheap. When I sold my HK collection years ago all I was told by DOJ was keep a copy of the dealers FFL and let DOJ know I was no longer in possesion.

Well thank's for the run around and I will remember to strip my car next time I sell one off.


MJ,

People here may have thought you were asking a legally-entrapping question. We get quite a few trolls here from LE agencies or Brady types trying to solicit illegal activity from Calgunners or show that "Calguns is the home of contraband guns", etc.

Moving on, given the nature of your question - you may or may not want to mention details of the situation further as it could possibly be incriminating and there's no real 'privacy' on the Net. You might want also to edit your original post to remove some details if - after reading below - you think they're incriminating.

If you have a REGISTERED AW - which means you filled out special SEPERATE paperwork in 1990 (for a 'banned by name' gun) or 2000 (for a gun that had certain combinations of 'evilf features', including all AR/AK 'series' members) you are in legal possession of it. (This special paperwork is entirely separate from the 4473/DROS paperwork you filled out at the dealer when you bought a gun at a CA FFL and was mailed with $20 fee to Calif DOJ in Sacramento.)

If you have an AW in CA banned by name or by 12276.1PC features suite, and you did not SPECIALLY REGISTER it during the specific AW registration periods, you are in ILLEGAL POSSESSION of an unregistered AW - which is a wobbler (chargeable as felony, misdemeanor, or nuisance).

Transporting/moving unregistered AWs offers prospect of additional transportation charges which are felonies.

Registered AWs must be either shipped out of CA via a CA FFL holding a special AW permit (and whose services are expensive), or can be driven/flown out of CA with their owner and sold to/thru an FFL in the other state.

Attempts to sell an unregistered AW thru a CA FFL w/AW permit will likely result in your arse being kicked out of his facility with some appreciable velocity - and very well a dime being dropped on you, since CA AW permits are issued by DOJ on a discretionary basis and these folks often like to kiss DOJ's butt.

Selling a legit registered AW thru services a CA FFL with AW permit will likely incur a fairly large handling charge (> $100) on top of shipping/ postage. A Category III (i.e, not banned-by-name) registered AW can have evil features suite removed (say, a barreled action) and be treated like a normal non-AW firearm and shipped directly to a non-CA FFL.

A person happening to find himself in possession of an illegal unregistered AW in California should IMMEDIATELY strip it down as far as possible. This prevents any further ongoing crime, though it does not 'erase' the prior crime of illegal unreg'd AW possession; it does elevate the burden of proof, as long as you remember not to talk to cops or DAs, and let your lawyer handle that exclusively!! [Some people are stupid and forget this, and talk themselves straight into jail.] If anyone asks you the origin or dates of acquisition of your gun, STFU and tell the person it's none of his business: if it's law enforcement, tell 'em to talk to your lawyer. PERIOD.

If the receiver from this unregistered AW is considered banned by name (12276PC Roberti-Roos list, or on the Kasler list of formally-identified AR/AK 'series' members, 11 CCR 5499) it's probably best to get rid of the receiver itself by contacting a lawyer and having him arrange surrender of it to local LE agency. This 'transaction' can be arranged so you won't be in any trouble, and you can sell the rest of the parts off.

If the receiver is truly 'off-list' than the non-AW firearm can be retained or treated as a normal firearm -- providing it does not have a 12276.1PC-prohibited features suite. Removal of flash hider, having a regular buttstock and no pistol grip (and/or using a MonsterMan-style grip that legally is not considered a pistol grip) can all render the firearm into a non-assault-weapon which can be treated as an ordinary firearm.

Many asshats make the mistake of thinking they can drive a complete unregistered AW out of CA and sell it elsewhere - they're risking one traffic stop for a busted taillight (during the CA segment of the trip) leading to felony charges - they've jumped from the frying pan (illegal unreg'd AW possession) to the fire (that, plus felony transport violation). Trying to recover a few hundred bucks for a gun vs. the risk + cost of a felony defense (and possible conviction) is just not a good tradeoff.

Now, if you have a registered AW, I'd encourage you not to sell it. We need to keep the numbers up with CA DOJ for politico-legal reasons.
Everytime someone sells/disposes of a legal reg'd AW in CA, god kills a kitten. If you need cash, sell some parts off it but keep the serialized receiver so you can rebuild it.

[Amacias805]

lets make things simple...Assuming you have a registered AW

if its banned buy name, i believe either you need to ship it to an outta state FFl. or an FFl that can legally posse AW...

if its not banned buy name. and only has evil feature... then simply removing those features.... (IE pistol grip)... and you should be able to sell it normally....


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but my 2 cents Dont do it... sell your blood first.... every time an RAW is removed from California, a puppy dies.... do you want to be responsible for that puppys death?

[Sniper3142]

Well I didn't think it was an entraping question.

Just a silly one.

Unless you've got 10 of the same kind, I would never sell a registered AW. They are UNOBTAINIUM in this state.

Period.

Need cash... sell a kidney.

Now... move along folks. Nothing to see here.

:)

[bwiese]

lets make things simple...Assuming you have a registered AW

if its banned buy name, i believe either you need to ship it to an outta state FFl. or an FFl that can legally posse AW...

You shouldn't ship a reg'd AW out of state, it needs to go thru a CA FFL w/AW permit.

You can, however, TRANSPORT a reg'd AW out of state and then sell it there (thru FFL, of course).

[odysseus]

I should have mentioned this, but as Bill Wiese illuminated to, I assumed in my response here you have been talking about selling your legally registered AW with the California DOJ you have paperwork on.

mj1, I think you need to slow down a second - don't be upset. What happened is some assumed it was an AR, since ARs are the majority AW. Stripping it to the lower is common, since a bare AR lower is cheap - but having an AW in Cali is not.

The other point being made is that most people would not consider it a value to sell off a Cali AW, since the price obtained out of state is really not much for most platforms, and again it is irreplaceable to you at this time.

Thus, very few people have sold any of their Cali AWs.
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[mj1]

Besides the out of state buyers FFL what else do I need?

TIA
..MJ...

Seems simple to me.

I think I will just call DOJ and give them my AW # and ask what I need to keep for my records.

Why keep something you gave to the state in '90? Your just storing it for them.

Thanks for the input

Oh I wouldn't own an AR, the last one I had in '68 sucked.
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[dwtt]

Seems simple to me.

I think I will just call DOJ and give them my AW # and ask what I need to keep for my records.

Why keep something you gave to the state in '90? Your just storing it for them.

Thanks for the input
[/IMG]
Just read the post Bill wrote up and that's what you need to know. Your Galil is covered by the Roos-Roberti ban of 1989. I don't know if the Legend AK is, but you'll have to look it up yourself, if you can.
As for what the DOJ will tell you, here's their answer, before you've even called them. http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regagunfaqs.php#15

[double_action]

Here's the "No Longer In Possession" PDF

[AJAX22]

where are you located? (maybe I can point you to an AW permit holder)

I strongly suggest not selling those if you have ANY other option.

You won't get a premium for them, the costs of sale are rather high, its a bit of a hassle, and you can NEVER replace them.

[darkest2000]

Why is it always someone that doesn't appreciate or understand what they own that have registered AW(s)?

I would sell a kidney for a Legend series AK and here's a guy that's trying to get rid of it. (sigh)

As far as never owning an AR, well all I have to say is things have changed somewhat since '68. Just saying.

[mj1]

Why is it always someone that doesn't appreciate or understand what they own that have registered AW(s)?

I would sell a kidney for a Legend series AK and here's a guy that's trying to get rid of it. (sigh)

As far as never owning an AR, well all I have to say is things have changed somewhat since '68. Just saying.

:(It's none of your business what I do with my things. How dare any of you presume to judge another person or their needs. I asked for advise and thank you very much to those that gave it. The cost to insure and secure AW's in this state is enormous so short of moving this is the best choice. This was not an easy choice but it is mine to make.

"Why is it always someone that doesn't appreciate or understand what they own that have registered AW(s)?"

Wrong in so many ways. You don't know me and I sure don't want to know you after that statement. Your statement also was totally unfair and hurtful just as you intended it to be.

:driving:

[ETD1010]

Why is it always someone that doesn't appreciate or understand what they own that have registered AW(s)?

I would sell a kidney for a Legend series AK and here's a guy that's trying to get rid of it. (sigh)

As far as never owning an AR, well all I have to say is things have changed somewhat since '68. Just saying.

Because to some people, paying rent and staying out of billing trouble is more important than keeping a registered AW. If he wants/needs to sell it, let him. If it were me, yeah, I'd sell off everything else first, but when push comes to shove, there are usually only a few options left.

You don't know him OR his situation, and I think he deserves a little respect for that (only aimed that those who felt it necessary to indirectly call him stupid in their posts).

[bwiese]

:(It's none of your business what I do with my things. How dare any of you presume to judge another person or their needs. I asked for advise and thank you very much to those that gave it. The cost to insure and secure AW's in this state is enormous so short of moving this is the best choice. This was not an easy choice but it is mine to make.

Dunno where you got that nonsense from.

There is no separate legally-specified cost to "insure and secure" AWs. Personal reg'd AWs can be stored in your home like any other legal firearm. There is no separately codified storage level. NRA's "ArmsCare" insurance treats them the same as other rifles, and that insurance is usu cheaper than many riders on homeowners' insurance policies.

(Now, those with AW permits may have separate restrictions, but that does not apply to blokes like you and me with registered AWs.)

Why keep something you gave to the state in '90? Your just storing it for them.

I don't understand this, and your lack of knowledge about AW laws even after your questions were answered in detail is probably why people are 'poking' you here.

I have 9 registered AWs and barrels of hicap mags. These are most assuredly not the property of CA.

I can shoot them at most any range, move them to/from CA, use them on BLM land, etc. All I have to do is transport them locked/unloaded between my home or other authorized spot and where I will use them. I can legally use one in self-defense. I can hunt with them on private land w/permission and can use them on Fed BLM land since express written permission has already been given (summer 2003 BLM Region 5 memo).

If I need to send it out of CA to be repaired, I can either remove certain evil features from my Category III guns, ship them to/thru a CA FFL w/AW permit, or drive them to Reno and ship it from/to there.

Yeah, certain parts of the above suck, and we'll fix that over time (not much, coupla years max, could be less.) But if you think that makes me wanna give them up, no way - it just makes me wanna help hundreds of thousands of other CA residents get nearly-functional OLL equivalents.

Oh I wouldn't own an AR, the last one I had in '68 sucked

Um, a few things have changed since then ;)

[bigcalidave]

:(It's none of your business what I do with my things. How dare any of you presume to judge another person or their needs. I asked for advise and thank you very much to those that gave it. The cost to insure and secure AW's in this state is enormous so short of moving this is the best choice. This was not an easy choice but it is mine to make.

"Why is it always someone that doesn't appreciate or understand what they own that have registered AW(s)?"

Wrong in so many ways. You don't know me and I sure don't want to know you after that statement. Your statement also was totally unfair and hurtful just as you intended it to be.

:driving:

You seem to just have a bad attitude about EVERYTHING. Sell it, bye bye.

[MILLITIAof1]

Is there some kind of joke that I'm missing???
IBTL & IBTB

[K57]

Some people in here just my be trying to help you from making a mistake you might regret later on, " I've learn that the hard way".