Lead Ammo Ban

[BHP FAN]

This is what I sent:
Sirs [and Ladies], in regards to the proposed expansion of the lead ammo ban [or Condor Protection Act] I ask that you reconsider. My hobby is shooting antique Buffalo rifles, and modern replicas thereof. I'm a member of the Humboldt Black powder Heritage Association, and I shoot an original 1884 Trapdoor Springfield .45-70.Let me assure you no actual buffalo are ever harmed at our monthly shoots. I and my fellow club members use the original paper and metallic cartridges, in the original calibers,and we cast our own lead bullets,useing original and replica molds,to put holes in PAPER buffalo,or shoot a buffalo shaped metal gong at various distances. We hurt no living creature while we do this. We eat chili, and we visit with friends.It's a great hobby,and lead bullets are a part of it.Come on out and join us sometime!


Thanks!

Willyboy
[I used my real name]

[DeanW66]

Uhhhm sorry to be a cr*pper but you are not hunting. The current lead ammo ban ONLY applies to hunting activities.

[BHP FAN]

You're right Dean,the CURRENT ban only applies far south of where I live ,and only applies to hunting.The antis are proposing a ''new,improved lead ammo ban'' which includes mere POSSESSION,of lead ammo ,anywhere in the state.

[BHP FAN]

From over on SASS's website:

''The California Fish and Game Commission is considering a ban of lead ammunition. As stated in "Gun Week" this would mean the end of SASS in California. We are being tricky about it though.They aren't coming out and actually banning it. BUT, you will not be allowed to have lead ammo in your possession in specified areas of the State. They have already done this in CONDOR areas and it is now proposed the ban be expanded to all areas of the State...''

[cdtx2001]

But don't "they" know that there's no condors in norcal?

[not-fishing]

I'm waiting for the fishing lead ban. The scenario is the fish eats the fishing lead. The Racoon eats the fish and the Condor eats the Racoon elevating the lead level in Condors. So if we're banning lead shot we should also ban all fishing lead. Fishermen could use copper or gold sinkers.

[leadchucker]

I'm waiting for the fishing lead ban. The scenario is the fish eats the fishing lead. The Racoon eats the fish and the Condor eats the Racoon elevating the lead level in Condors. So if we're banning lead shot we should also ban all fishing lead. Fishermen could use copper or gold sinkers.

Copper kills plants:eek::eek:

[Sunwolf]

Copper,Gold and silver are toxic.

[OlderThanDirt]

Copper,Gold and silver are toxic.

All metals are toxic. Many are carcinogenic. The problem with lead is that it is fairly soluble for a metal, and thus more mobile in the environment. A case could be made that most commonly available metals pose a hazard to a certain degree.

There appears to be a lot of fear mongering related to an expanded lead ammo ban. Most groups are reporting the lead ammo ban as a complete ban, even someone is not involved in hunting activities. The Fish and Game Commission has the authority to ban the use of lead ammo for hunting, however, a lead ammo ban on all non-hunting activities would be way beyond their statutory authority.

But in my recent dealings with CDFG regarding renewal of scientific collection permits, a staffer actually threatened to charge me under the Endangered Species Act (ESA) if I used a Remotely Operated Vehicle (ROV) for a biological survey. Their logic was that the ROV would harass endangered species, which is considered a "take" (the same as actually killing one) under the ESA. I had to point out that ROVs and scuba diving are common off the coast, including in marine protected areas and reserves, and that it would be a very embarrassing day in court if they actually tried to charge someone for an ESA take for simply taking pictures. Even though I was told that our permit renewal would be denied, we received a new permit in the mail for more collection activities than we requested.

It would appear that there is a rather large radical element within CDFG that is willing to exceed their authority and keep the little people in their place. Their recent agreements with the Humane Society is a good example of their poor judgement and complete contempt for the people in California. I'm surprised they haven't taken money from PETA to support some sort of program.

[sargenv]

I was always under the impression that Gold was fairly inert as far as the human body goes.

[bohoki]

I was always under the impression that Gold was fairly inert as far as the human body goes.


fillings are i guess

i think its titanium that is the best

how could they claim to have that much authority i could understand banning lead ammunition if you have a hunting licence but not target shooting

[leadchucker]

I was always under the impression that Gold was fairly inert as far as the human body goes.

Bakers decorate cakes with it all the time, and it is supposed to be eaten.

Toxicity is a funny thing. It must be defined. To what is it toxic? In what amounts is it toxic? In what form is it toxic?

Something may be harmless to humans, but is toxic to sea urchins.
Another material may be necessary to sustain human life, but at a certain threshold it is toxic to the human body.
Some metals may not be toxic unless it is in combination with other elements.

[leadchucker]

i could understand banning lead ammunition if you have a hunting licence

Don't they even consider the likelihood of an increase in maimed animals when hunters are forced to use materials that are ballistically inferior? Am I the only one fed up with IDIOTS?!

[TheBundo]

I think the lead ammo ban in condor areas only applies to possessing it while hunting, even if it's in a gun you are carrying but not hunting with. Perhaps you are carrying a 22 revolver for plinking while using a big gun for hunting.

[Matt@EntrepriseArms]

There is always the possibility that a condor could see the lead ball laying on the ground, mistake it for food, and eat it. Those condors have been doing their best to make themselves extinct for years, and nothing they could do would surprise me.

[TheCilician]

I'm waiting for the fishing lead ban. The scenario is the fish eats the fishing lead. The Racoon eats the fish and the Condor eats the Racoon elevating the lead level in Condors. So if we're banning lead shot we should also ban all fishing lead. Fishermen could use copper or gold sinkers.

Have you even fished before in your life?

Well if your answer is yes, then please visit a Sport Chalet, or a Big 5. You will have a 10% chance to find lead weights still being sold. All alternative weights/sinkers are made from soft iron, and mixtures of all soft metals.


Don't blame the fishing industry for something that is not their fault. The fish eat the bait, not the weight.

[HondaMasterTech]

How long will it be before politicians outlaw humans?

[Amacias805]

Have you even fished before in your life?

Well if your answer is yes, then please visit a Sport Chalet, or a Big 5. You will have a 10% chance to find lead weights still being sold. All alternative weights/sinkers are made from soft iron, and mixtures of all soft metals.


Don't blame the fishing industry for something that is not their fault. The fish eat the bait, not the weight.

Calm down... he was being facetious :chris:

[gazzavc]

Copper,Gold and silver are toxic.

Gold and Silver are NOT toxic.

We use them in dentistry to make crowns and inlays that go in people's mouths.

Lead is toxic. We find that in dentistry fabricated in China !!

Gary

[camerongrafton]

Will this effect using lead based bullets in a shooting range, or is it just a possible hunting regulation?

I use lead bullets in a Lyman Deerstalker up at the range..

[highpowermatch]

and this letter incriminates the hunters from a fellow shooter. it does not matter if you are shooting to hunt or not, they still need to prove the lead from bullets is causing the death

[Sunwolf]

Gold and Silver are NOT toxic.

We use them in dentistry to make crowns and inlays that go in people's mouths.

Lead is toxic. We find that in dentistry fabricated in China !!

Gary

Inject miconized silver or gold and see what happens.