How worse does it have to get to get a CCW?

[K1LLROI]

Bad news today. One of my friends car was broken into. Stolen was a purse, along with everything inside. A camera, and some work related stuff.
Now I know your all wondering, well why is he posting this here.

Ok here goes....these are criminals. Criminals do not care.
Criminals get upset when you cooperate with authority.

My friend is very worried that these criminals looked through the camera and saw their faces. Or saw photographed valuables
they might get ideas about. You know VALUABLES that we all love.

My question to you Calgunners is what now.? My friend & his GF are fearing that these criminals will try some drastic measures to get into the house..they park not too close to their home..and well, would a CCW be issued in this case..?
Oh yeah he lives in a bad side of town within Los Angeles.
I mean these are honest hard working law abiding citizens..they should not get up and run every time something like this happens.
They are material things but how far would criminals go for these materials.
Any and all help is appreciated.
Please help my friend with your wisdom.
Thanks again.

[Untamed1972]

for starters.....I would suggest they invest in an adequate sized safe to secure valuables in when they are not at home.

When they are home certain "valuables" should be kept readily accessible and in a "fully fuctioning capacity" should someone attempt a home invasion.

[DDT]

My question to you Calgunners is what now.? My friend & his GF are fearing that these criminals will try some drastic measures to get into the house..they park not too close to their home..and well, would a CCW be issued in this case..?

Zero chance that this will constitute good cause for an otherwise "ordinary" individual.

However; if they are only worried about on their own property there is no law preventing Concealed Carry in your home.

[WyoDuner]

I understand where you are coming from but you don't need a CCW permit to protect your house. You can be legally armed in your home and have reasonable expectation that use of force can be justified if these people try to break in.

[postal16]

I heard the Sacramento Sheriff say on KFWB (1540 AM) yesterday afternoon that if he has to cut 400 officers due to the budget crisis (i.e. the state raiding their budget) he MAY have to rethink his CCW policy and go "shall issue"

[K1LLROI]

for starters.....I would suggest they invest in an adequate sized safe to secure valuables in when they are not at home.

When they are home certain "valuables" should be kept readily accessible and in a "fully fuctioning capacity" should someone attempt a home invasion.

Check Sir..as a Calgunner I have suggested that exact thing to him.
He is well up on game. He's actually going on a worse case scenario and thinking what if these guys are in the house one day.
Forcing one of them to open the safe.
Is there such a permit or something that would allow them to carry from the car to the doorstep. Because once inside his home he's good.
Does it matter if its an apartment.

Again it just happened. He's on a worse case scenario..pretty much in fear..he wants to keep his family safe..

[Legasat]

Hopefully, they filed a Police Report.

I agree, this will NOT constitute "good cause" at most of the County Sheriff's in Kalifornia.

Buy a decent firearm and have it ready "in case" someone tries to invade their home.

[Untamed1972]

Check Sir..as a Calgunner I have suggested that exact thing to him.
He is well up on game. He's actually going on a worse case scenario and thinking what if these guys are in the house one day.
Forcing one of them to open the safe.
Is there such a permit or something that would allow them to carry from the car to the doorstep. Because once inside his home he's good.
Does it matter if its an apartment.

Again it just happened. He's on a worse case scenario..pretty much in fear..he wants to keep his family safe..


So he is more worried about the guys nabbing him at gun point on the street and forcing him into the house kinda thing?

Well....I would suggest he do every other thing he can, which he would still need to be doing even with a CCW.

1) Good situational awareness (head on a swivel)
2) Vary travel routes and times of departure and return if possible.
3) Pepper spray is legal and cheap
4) Avoid going out at night if possible

Most likely they're just crack junkies lookin' for stuff to sell to get a fix, not hardcore serial home invader types. Even if they were looking to burg the house they're more likely to do it when no one is home, especially if they know the guy has guns.

[b.faust]

4) Avoid going out at night if possible



I agree with #4, but god, what a sad state of current affairs when we're recommending people don't go out at night.
:(

B.

[M1A Rifleman]

Not sure how a CCW would have stopped a break-in to an unoccupied vehicle. Also a CCW is not needed to carry, possess, use a firearm in and around your own home. If they are worried about trouble when out and about in downtown LA, then I'd say their SOL, and may be better off moving to safer locations.

[Untamed1972]

I agree with #4, but god, what a sad state of current affairs when we're recommending people don't go out at night.
:(

B.

I would say that wouldn't need to be forever though. If someone was really intent on nabbing you on the street.....they'd prolly do it fairly soon. It's not like they're gonna stake you out forever waiting for a chance.

[gdunn]

I think he should get a safe for his car so when he parks in his driveway he can pull his gun out, load it and carry it legally on his property!

[bodger]

I heard the Sacramento Sheriff say on KFWB (1540 AM) yesterday afternoon that if he has to cut 400 officers due to the budget crisis (i.e. the state raiding their budget) he MAY have to rethink his CCW policy and go "shall issue"

Yeah.... He'd like everyone to believe he is serious about that too, so he doesn't lose his budget.
He's trying to spook the antis and the quivering liberal weenies that if his budget gets raided and LE force reduced, he'll legally arm the civilian masses and there will be hundreds of gun crazies roaming the streets with Glocks under their shirts.

What a load of B.S.
That bastid will go "Shall Issue" when Diane Feinstein buys Nancy Pelosi a lifetime gift membership to the friggin' NRA!

[Casual Observer]

Protection of property is NEVER a "good cause" for a CCW in this state.

[K1LLROI]

He's not too concerned with private property. Were all glad he didn't wake and have to go make a citizens arrest.With a 12g. pointed in the cranium. LOL.
He's more worried with these criminals trying to do something stupid to get valuables..
He just needs protection from car to home..home to car.
INHO..he shouldn't run but dang..the neighborhood is bad.
They're good people.

[hkusp9c]

If CCWs were issued to people with cases like these, I don't think we would even complain about current CCW issuances.

I don't leave anything in my car ever, so last time some punks broke into my car, they took my stock steering wheel because they wanted the airbag. I had to get it towed to a body shop. And the other time my car was broken into, they smashed all the windows just to piss me off since there wasn't anything to steal in the car except for a stock stereo which they didn't bother to steal.

[boxbro]

If I was your friend, the first thing I'd do is get the hell out of the "bad side of town within Los Angeles".
IMO, peace of mind is everything.

[l_Z_l]

flash light
pepper spray
knife
self defense class
stay in condition yellow to and from car

i dont thing there's not much else to do if u live LA besides move out (if that's even an option)

[MikeinnLA]

If I was your friend, the first thing I'd do is get the hell out of the "bad side of town within Los Angeles".
IMO, peace of mind is everything.

My thought exactly, rent a smaller place in a good neighborhood. It amazes me when people move to a crime-ridden neighborhood and then worry about crime.:confused:

Mike

[Arteeel]

I have a car alarm for sale.

[GuyW]

Ok here goes....these are criminals. Criminals do not care.


Authorities do not care. Shut up and pay your mordida (translation, taxes, fees, licenses, fines etc).

Criminals get upset when you cooperate with authority.


Authorities get upset when you don't cooperate with authority via paying la mordida, and they send people with guns to steal your possessions...
.

[yellowfin]

Protection of property is NEVER a "good cause" for a CCW in this state. Au contraire. When it's someone else's it almost always is in the no-issue-unless-you're-famous places like L.A. Someone else's diamonds, someone else's cash, someone else's campaign donations all are perfectly good cause for CCW. Just not yours.

[K1LLROI]

I have a car alarm for sale.

My friend actually invested in a good alarm before moving into the neighborhood.
Thank you Viper, u really "stopped" the crime..
Thanks Arteeel..PM if your serious.
I will let my buddy know.

[K1LLROI]

Thank you gentlemen..I will pass on the good word.
Any more suggestions would be great.
Thanks again.

[bohoki]

would they ever give a ccw if someone wouldnt testify without one?

[Arteeel]

Well, an alarm isn't going to stop someone from breaking in and running off with valuables in the car. Although most won't stick around with an annoying alarm going off either. Atleast it will get someone's attention.

Pm sent.

My friend actually invested in a good alarm before
moving into the neighborhood.
Thank you Viper, u really "stopped" the crime..
Thanks Arteeel..PM if your serious.
I will let my buddy know.

[HondaMasterTech]

Open carry with a loaded magazine in a belt pouch. CCW isnt the ONLY option, though I agree the best...

[postal16]

Yeah.... He'd like everyone to believe he is serious about that too, so he doesn't lose his budget.
He's trying to spook the antis and the quivering liberal weenies that if his budget gets raided and LE force reduced, he'll legally arm the civilian masses and there will be hundreds of gun crazies roaming the streets with Glocks under their shirts.

What a load of B.S.
That bastid will go "Shall Issue" when Diane Feinstein buys Nancy Pelosi a lifetime gift membership to the friggin' NRA!

that is my thought too, but I was surprised he put it out there, luckily my sheriff is one of the good guys!

[Gofasterdammit]

1. Get a sturdy DOJ approved safe bolted to the floor.
2. Invest in home security. Minimum have an alarm installed with sensors on all entry points. Even go as far as buying those cheap outdoor camera's at Fry's and mounting them in front and on the sides of the house. Criminals won't know they aren't hooked up to anything.
3. Be aware of surroundings. Tell neighbors to keep an eye out for suspicious activity.
4. Be prepared for a home invasion. Carry a side arm while in the house for 4 to 6 months. Have a shotgun close by and easily accessable when they are home. Make sure everyone that lives in the house knows how to use the firearms and over come weapons failures.

[hkusp9c]

Open carry with a loaded magazine in a belt pouch. CCW isnt the ONLY option, though I agree the best...

In the city of Los Angeles? :eek:

[HondaMasterTech]

Id rather get shot by a cop than a criminal.

[N6ATF]

If CCWs were issued to people with cases like these, I don't think we would even complain about current CCW issuances.

Fixed.

[Untamed1972]

would they ever give a ccw if someone wouldnt testify without one?

Maybe in a high-profile gang/mob/drug cartel case.

But when it comes to prosecuting some punks for burg'in cars they would just say "fine.....then we'll refuse to prosecute them and cut them loose."

[N6ATF]

Government=criminals>law-abiding citizens.

[Shane916]

Id rather get shot by a cop than a criminal.

Cops use nice hollow points and shoot center mass...criminals use cheap weapons, cheap ammo and shoot sideways aiming for nothing :)

[N6ATF]

Considering the minimal qualification/range time most cops do, and the number of rounds completely missing suspects, I'd say they're equal in that regard. Though if you survive an OIS, the cops almost never run away and they have practically endless liability insurance (taxpayer dollars) for you.

[Aldemar]

Protection of property is NEVER a "good cause" for a CCW in this state.

If you carry jewelery or large sums of money I believe a CCW can be had in several, if not most counties (forget LA).

This is just another example of the powers that be placing money ahead of life.

Al

[N6ATF]

Sure, if you carry that jewelry and/or large sums of money all the way to the bank of the victim-disarmer CLEO...

[K1LLROI]

You would think fear of ones life would constitute a legal CCW.
Especially when in a bad neighborhood, and after being burglarized.
No one really knows what intentions criminals have especially knowing about valuables within a home.
Its a sad time were in when CCWs are only given to protect high quantities of mula.
Isn't life priceless.?
Well I guess the only option is for my friend to move.
Thanks again.

[GuyW]

Its a sad time were in when CCWs are only given to protect high quantities of mula.
Isn't life priceless.?
Well I guess the only option is for my friend to move.


And to discuss with as many folks as possible, how %^&ed up CAs laws are.
.

[Untamed1972]

You would think fear of ones life would constitute a legal CCW.
Especially when in a bad neighborhood, and after being burglarized.
No one really knows what intentions criminals have especially knowing about valuables within a home.
Its a sad time were in when CCWs are only given to protect high quantities of mula.
Isn't life priceless.?
Well I guess the only option is for my friend to move.
Thanks again.

You wont find any arguement here. Having the right and the ability to defend your life should you need to should be the only reason one would need to state......and it should not have to be predecated on already having been a victim of a crime.

That's like saying: "Well if you're lucky enough to have survived the first attack, we'll think about letting you have a tool to defend yourself better if it happens again."

But what if you don't survive the first attack? Seems kinda like asking for permission to buy a fire extinguisher after your house has already burned down.

[Untamed1972]

If you carry jewelery or large sums of money I believe a CCW can be had in several, if not most counties (forget LA).

This is just another example of the powers that be placing money ahead of life.

Al

So if I go out and buy a $5000 rolex watch and wear it everyday, can I claim that I regually transport valuable property and need a CCW?

[hkusp9c]

5k watch plus $100k in cash maybe?

[Untamed1972]

5k watch plus $100k in cash maybe?

A guy posted here the other day saying he got the go ahead from SDSO for CCW because he handles cash/checks daily in the $2K range for his business. That's not much.....I have transported that much cash from time to time. Did almost that much just yesterday in fact. But not on a daily basis....prolly about once a month though.

[HondaMasterTech]

People get robbed/killed for pocket change...

[RudyN]

I would like to get a CCW also as I will on occasion carry more the $2K to the bank to deposit. I guess I will have to get robbed and beaten up first so I can get a CCW, that is if I survive.

[LesGrossman41510]

My thought exactly, rent a smaller place in a good neighborhood. It amazes me when people move to a crime-ridden neighborhood and then worry about crime.:confused:

Mike

Yea if you live in a crime ridden neighborhood you really need to be on point.

Leaving cameras with pictures of guns in your car is just asking for trouble. Cars have been broken into twice in front of my house since i moved to oakland. I really wish i could carry a gun around town because there are SO MANY sketchy looking folks who i feel might try to rob me.

[HondaMasterTech]

I would like to get a CCW also as I will on occasion carry more the $2K to the bank to deposit. I guess I will have to get robbed and beaten up first so I can get a CCW, that is if I survive.

Sheriffs tend to be politicians before actual LOEs. They will usually make decisions based on the needs of their career before concerning themselves with the needs of you and I.

[HondaMasterTech]

Yea if you live in a crime ridden neighborhood you really need to be on point.

Leaving cameras with pictures of guns in your car is just asking for trouble. Cars have been broken into twice in front of my house since i moved to oakland. I really wish i could carry a gun around town because there are SO MANY sketchy looking folks who i feel might try to rob me.

I lived there before. Worked around 41st/MLK. I feel your pain.

[LesGrossman41510]

Yea im out in the Deep East of oakland man, 98th to 105th is where i routinely run errands. Everytime i just go to buy a beer or groceries i always have my eye on every single person. **** just today at McDonalds some young punk was eyeing my wallet when i paid for my meal, walked over and sat down near the door. Automatically i thought he might try and rob me when i left. Sadly if he did i could have done nothing, because i am a disarmed, defenseless civilian.

[K1LLROI]

because i am a disarmed, defenseless civilian.

Aeren't we all...in a sense..
We need better laws..

Good convesation though..
We are all more similar than we think..
Great minds think alike.

[HondaMasterTech]

I escaped a car jacking and a mugging in less than a year. Oakland is ok but the people suck.

[-hanko]

flash light
pepper spray
knife
Something short and powerful in a paper bag;)
self defense class
stay in condition yellow to and from car

i dont thing there's not much else to do if u live LA besides move out (if that's even an option)
Fixed.

I lived in a not too desireable zip code in SF for a few years. I chose the possiblity of cops & da v. termination.;)

ymmv.

-hanko