2 ID's for handguns....

[steve40]

been saving money up for the last half of this year and almost have enough money saved up to buy a handgun, but i know that a person need 2 forms of ID, california ID is the first one (duh), plus the hand gun safety certificate, which i have, but as for the 2nd form of ID thats were it gets sketchy. I hear diffrent things like you can only use ur car registration or the paper(s) you live
in a home or paying rent or watever. others say you can use a bank statement, a cell phone bill, a hunting licensen,etc,etc. im so confused:confused:, WTF!!??? somebody help me on this.

[Untamed1972]

I have always used my car. reg. But I would think anything that documents your residence address would be fine. Copy of current lease, utility bill or something like that.

[Shane916]

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/resprf.php

Proof of Residency

Under Bureau of Firearms policy and soon to be proposed in regulations, firearms dealers may accept any of the following:

* Utility bill reflecting services to a fixed place of residence. The utility bill must bear on its face both of the following:
1. The name of the transferee.
2. Either the residential address declared on the DROS form or the address as it appears on the transferee's identification.
* Residential lease that bears both of the following:
1. The name of the transferee.
2. Either the residential address declared by the transferee on the DROS form, or the address as it appears on the transferee's CDL or CID.
* Property deed the bears both of the following:
1. The name of the transferee
2. Either the residential address declared by the transferee on the DROS form, or the address as it appears on the transferee's CDL or CID.
* Government-issued (city, county, special district, state or federal) documentation that has all of the following - - This does not include a drivers license or DMV-issued ID card:
1. The name of the transferee as it appears on the transferee's CDL or CID.
2. The name of the transferee as the transferee declares on the DROS form.
3. The residential address of the transferee as it appears on the transferee's CDL or CID or the address update attachment to the driver's license/identification card.
4. The residential address of the transferee as the transferee declares on the DROS form.
* Examples of acceptable proof of residency pursuant to newly-proposed regulations:
1. DMV registrations are NOW acceptable.
2. Electricity, gas, cable bill from within the last 3 months.
3. Signed, dated and notarized rental agreement/contract.
* Examples of documents that are NOT acceptable proof of residency:
1. Hunting or fishing license (these documents are not issued by the government).
2. Cellular phone bill.
3. Passport.
4. Pay stub.

[fuegoslow]

Has to be proof of residency. Cannot use cell phone bill, but you can use a residential phone bill. Also, any utility bill is good to go. One gun shop wouldn't take my directv bill until the Manager approved it.(FUD). Since then, all I use for handgun purchases is my car registration. BTW, when you pick up your first AR lower, or complete rifle, all you'll need is your Drivers License or State I'd!

[steve40]

hey, i got a jury duty notice, can i use that, it has my name and my address and was issued by the goverment, well local goverment, hahaha.

[Casual Observer]

others say you can use a bank statement, a cell phone bill, a hunting licensen,etc,etc. im so confused:confused:, WTF!!??? somebody help me on this.

None of those are acceptable.

Read the PC posted above. Most commonly used are vehicle registration, a copy of the lease/renter's agreement/ etc (if you still live with your parents, this is an easy one. They have pre-printed ones at Staples and it costs like $10 to get it notarized), or some other license that is government issued with your address and an expiration date (CCW, contractor's license, etc.)

[Untamed1972]

hey, i got a jury duty notice, can i use that, it has my name and my address and was issued by the goverment, well local goverment, hahaha.

I've had them send JD notices to old addresses before. Only got it cuz relative/roommate still lived at old address and gave it to me.

[Casual Observer]

hey, i got a jury duty notice, can i use that, it has my name and my address and was issued by the goverment, well local goverment, hahaha.

I dont know about that, but I did have one guy use a speeding ticket once. :cool:

[Angie]

I dont know about that, but I did have one guy use a speeding ticket once. :cool:

:rofl2:

[steve40]

I dont know about that, but I did have one guy use a speeding ticket once. :cool:

oh really? did it work for him? lol

[BONECUTTER]

oh really? did it work for him? lol

Yup......doesn't state what "Government-issued (city, county, special district, state or federal) documentation" is required.

[DDT]

I used a letter from "Department of Homeland Security" once. Counter dude did a BIG double take on that piece of paper.

[steve40]

Yup......doesn't state what "Government-issued (city, county, special district, state or federal) documentation" is required.

so im guessing that my jury duty notice will work then, assuming that is.

[IGOTDIRT4U]

I've had them send JD notices to old addresses before. Only got it cuz relative/roommate still lived at old address and gave it to me.

Which brings up another point. Your "proof of residency" must have an address that matches your CDL.

[hkusp9c]

I used timewarner bill :)

[Casual Observer]

oh really? did it work for him? lol

It was a government issued document (a local OC Police Department).

It had his name and address on it (copied by the officer on the ticket from the license).

Has a period of validity / expiration date (appearance date).

That's all you need. :cool:

[Dr Rockso]

Which brings up another point. Your "proof of residency" must have an address that matches your CDL.
Not necessarily true, for a long time I had a PO Box on my CDL. In fact if you move, the DMV doesn't automatically issue a new CDL (you're just supposed to write it on the back).

[nodeone]

I had a shop in the Sacramento area refuse to accept a CDL that was still valid, but due to expire within 30 days. They also said that if I tried to run a DROS with a paper license before the plastic one is issued, that DOJ will deny the transfer.

[Casual Observer]

I had a shop in the Sacramento area refuse to accept a CDL that was still valid, but due to expire within 30 days. They also said that if I tried to run a DROS with a paper license before the plastic one is issued, that DOJ will deny the transfer.

The second part of that statement is true. DOJ requires you have the actual license, not the temp paper one.

[nodeone]

Thanks for the clarification Casual. I wasn't sure how much FUD the guy behind the counter was dishing out. He also advised me that unloaded handgun + ammo in the same locked container was illegal. Thanks to all the wise folks here on CGN, I know that config to be perfectly legal, and I politely tried to tell him he had been misinformed. Oh well.

[Casual Observer]

Thanks for the clarification Casual. I wasn't sure how much FUD the guy behind the counter was dishing out. He also advised me that unloaded handgun + ammo in the same locked container was illegal. Thanks to all the wise folks here on CGN, I know that config to be perfectly legal, and I politely tried to tell him he had been misinformed. Oh well.

IIRC, until the Clark decision, there was actually some confusion over what was considered a "loaded" firearm.

A lot of time the older guys who've been in the business for a long time don't follow develops very closely, so they rely on what they are told (rather than research themselves) or what they know (which may be out dated). No intentional ill will, but rather complacency.

[steve40]

hey casual, so you think or know if i can use my jury duty notice as a second ID?

[gotgunz]

CDL & CCW.

Meets the proof of residency requirements and is an exemption to the HSC card and the safe handling demonstration.

Carry both together and they are always with you (or should be that is).

[azn_wrx]

I dont know about that, but I did have one guy use a speeding ticket once. :cool:

Will riflegear take a Utah CCW as proof?

Other FFL's will not, such as Ade's.

[dark45]

i know i am probably technicaly thred jacking but since we are on this topic how dose this relate to PPT? as i have not gone through that.. "exciting?" process. do you need everything as if buying from a FFL?

[Casual Observer]

hey casual, so you think or know if i can use my jury duty notice as a second ID?

I personally would think so....but different shops have different rules. The PC only gives outlines on what MAY be accepted, not what MUST be accepted as a proof of residency.

[Casual Observer]

Will riflegear take a Utah CCW as proof?

Other FFL's will not, such as Ade's.

It's issued by the state of Utah, so as long as it has your name and your current address typed on it, then I would say you're good to go.

However, a UT CCW would not exempt you from the HSC requirements though. IIRC, only a CA CCW can do that.

[Casual Observer]

i know i am probably technicaly thred jacking but since we are on this topic how dose this relate to PPT? as i have not gone through that.. "exciting?" process. do you need everything as if buying from a FFL?

All the same documentation is needed by the transferee (buyer) when doing a PPT as opposed to buying one from a dealer.

A PPT only exempts you from the Safe Handgun Roster and the 1-per-30-days rules.

[azn_wrx]

It's issued by the state of Utah, so as long as it has your name and your current address typed on it, then I would say you're good to go.

However, a UT CCW would not exempt you from the HSC requirements though. IIRC, only a CA CCW can do that.

+1 for Riflegear.

I still need to come by and take a look at your store.

[dark45]

All the same documentation is needed by the transferee (buyer) when doing a PPT as opposed to buying one from a dealer.

A PPT only exempts you from the Safe Handgun Roster and the 1-per-30-days rules.


ok that is what i thought but i coudln't remeber its been awhile since i looked into it thanks for the reply.

[BigDogatPlay]

I typically use my city water / sewer bill... it's worked every time. Failing that the car registration.

It was so much easier with a badge and ID.....

From page one of the thread


Under Bureau of Firearms policy and soon to be proposed in regulations,

So the list presented of acceptable ID is only a policy, and is not an official regulation?

How typical. Iggy probably wrote that.

[steve40]

well, i went ahead and just bought my first handgun today, and looks like using that jury duty notice worked just fine as a second ID.:D

[RANGER295]

How about an FFL-03 (C&R)