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09-04-2005, 9:34 AM
I think I have an idea of what I want.

It is going to be a 12 guage. It is going to shoot 00.

This is where things start getting vague.

I am thinking about a semi-auto as opposed to a pump because I am afraid that under a stressful situation I'll only remember to pull the trigger because I am used to handguns. I know training would help here a lot.

I would also like the the shortest barrel possible but would prefer to have 5-7 shots if possible. The short barrel would be easier to traverse the hallway and corners.

I would like a pistol grip if it is legal. I am thinking this would help me better control the shotgun and the shot. I don't know if this is true though.

I am not sure what finish it should have. I would like this gun to have a finish that can be neglected from cleaning for months.

I would like the option of putting on a light but I don't see the need for anything else. If I should though please let me know.

This is going to be the a home defense gun only. The $$$ allocated is $700 max but if there is a gun that would meet my needs for less then that is better.

Could you guys please help me by recommending a shotgun or other things I should be looking for?

Thank you!

blackmajik530@aol.com
09-04-2005, 11:21 AM
Also, I believe regarding semi-auto shotguns, a pistol grip cannot be used together with a magazine extension.

But, that wont be a problem, since many shotguns have a minimum of 4 shells in the magazine, with one in the pipe. That'd be 5 rounds and the minimum per your requirements of 5-7 rounds.

The best bet, would be the Remington 11-87 Police as already recommended. Parkerized, 18" barrel and ext. magazine tube. It doesn't have a PG stock however, but those are easy to change out.

Mike Searson
09-04-2005, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by Black Majik:
Also, I believe regarding semi-auto shotguns, a pistol grip cannot be used together with a magazine extension.

Ummm...no.
Nowhere in any of this state's laws does it mention magazine extensions.

maxicon
09-04-2005, 12:00 PM
For a pump, any of the Big 3 are a good bet - Mossberg 500/590, Winchester 870, or Remington 1300. The latest Gun Tests magazine liked the 1300 slightly more than the others, but you can't go wrong with any of them.

I also like the idea of a semi (though I don't have one yet), as one thing that can go wrong with a pump in a stressful situation is short-stroking. Like any gun, you'd want to test it plenty with your defense ammo to make sure it's reliable.

You definitely need a weapon-mounted light, since both hands are necessary to handle the gun.

Some semis that have good reputations beside the 11-87 (what I'd get if I was going to spend the money) are the Benelli M1 Tactical (highly regarded, but expensive), the Remington 1100, and the Beretta 390/391, which I don't know if are available in tactical models.

max

HEUER
09-04-2005, 12:15 PM
G Note:

There are two classic choices for home defense. A pump action shot gun and a double action revolver in a caliber you can manage (I also like to include the lever action as well).

Why a pump action shot gun? They are reliable. Not to say that semi-auto shot guns are not, but the fact still remains that less complicated a machine or tool is, the less that can go wrong. My pick would be a Remington model 870. Look at the http://www.remingtonle.com (law enforcement site) for other options. The sound alone of the model 870 being chambered has been enough for potential criminals to surrender. Pumps can remain at rest indefintely, and will go bang no problem with just basic maintenance.

If you feel that a sem-auto is what you would like, then Ted's pick on the 11-87 Remington would be a sound choice.

You may want to go on to the Wilson Combat web site and take a look at some of there scatterguns, it may give you somemore ideas.

Very tight corners and hallways present different challenges. Short barrels are important, but all rifles/shotguns can be taken away from an individual in tight quarters by the barrel. It happens. I prefer a revolver or even a good pistol (SIG 226 .357SIG) because they allow more distance between yourself and your opponent. My two cents.

bu-bye
09-04-2005, 12:33 PM
I second the Rem 870. Its a sold built gun thats been around forever. Parts and add-on can be found anywhere for cheap. Plus the sound of an 870 racking is just music to the ears. It sounds every bit as good as it does in the movies. With a little training racking the gun will be second nature.

Mike Searson
09-04-2005, 12:46 PM
If you find yourself in an honest to goodness defensive situation using a long gun and the bad guy grabs the barrel...light him up and give him an E-Ticket ride straight to hell.

09-04-2005, 1:20 PM
My boyfriend found a FN POLICE 8-SHOT TACTICAL. It was in the CDNN catalog (pg 35) for $270. He says its cheap so we should get it. I told him I don't mind inexpensive but I do mind cheap. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif What do you guys think?

It is a pump but am getting the sense that a pump is not too bad from you folks.

I looked at the M2 Benelli and it looks really nice. Can't seem to find a website that sells them to get am idea on price...

Dump1567
09-04-2005, 2:53 PM
I don't think CDNN will ship to CA. I like the Winchester Defender. 7+1 18 inch barrel and just over $200 at your local Big 5. I believe this is pretty much the same Shotgun as the FN. The Remington 870 is another good choice. The downside is it's only 6+1 (with extension) and it's heavy. This weight really adds-up if you follow the "keep ammo on the shotgun" policy. Basically it's adding a sidesaddle & buttstock shell holder. That's an extra 12 rounds attached to the shotgun. They sell a mount for the M-3 light to fit on the Mag tube of any shotgun. This way you could take off the light if wanted. Mount sells for about $20.00. I would advise against the pistol grip set-up.

Dump1567
09-04-2005, 3:03 PM
Here's a pic of my Mossberg 500. This is a 20 inch rifle sighted barrel. You can kinda see the M-3 mount in front of fore end. I have a tactical sling on this. My Win. Defender is set-up the same way, it's just shorter.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v470/Dump1567/moss500.jpg

bhpdvcm24@sbcglobal.net
09-04-2005, 5:17 PM
To be honest, with your budget, I'd definitely look for a used 870- they can be found around here for about $200 to $250. A mag extension if you want, a light, and I like a sling.

For lights, the surefire forearm with built in light is sweet, but a lot more expensive than some other syatems.

The 870 has been around for a long time, and the pump is easier to get used to than you might think.

TonyNorCal
09-04-2005, 6:02 PM
As of January CDNN will only ship bolt action rifles and 'hunting' shotguns (which when I asked did not include anything with a short barrel that would be suitable for home defense). Of course, policies change and sometimes you may get someone on the phone willing to bend the rules...so it never hurts to call. However, I think it's unlikely CDNN will be accomodating.

Well, the original poster did express a prefence for semi-auto...but I'll agree with Heuer, Buy Bye, and others...pump is the way to go. Reliability is greater (not to say that semi-autos aren't reliable) and, as mentioned above, there's nothing quite like the racking of a slide http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif to deter someone from coming through a door.

For a home defense shotty you don't need all sorts of bells, whistles, and tacti-cool Mall Ninja gear. Keep it simple and businesslike. Simple, streamlined, and not encumbered with stuff that affects your ability to point quickly and handle it.

An ideal choice is a Remington 870. The Express is the low-end model and works just fine. However, if you have the funds I'd get a Police Model or Wingmaster...action is the same, but a few of the parts are more durable and the finish is better. Mossbergs are also fine. The 500 is their base model and the 590/590A1 is their upgraded version. In all honesty any of the above will work just fine.

For $700 you can probably get a used Police/Wingmaster shotty and a good .357 wheel gun.

00 Buck is good.

BigRich
09-04-2005, 6:23 PM
It is also very unlikely you will need the full 5 rounds in the magazine of a standard "riot" shotgun for a home defence event. Lighter weight and an illumination source are much more important for this kind of thing than a big ammo load.

BigRich
09-04-2005, 6:24 PM
DEFENSE that is....

reddot223@yahoo.com
09-04-2005, 7:45 PM
escort semi auto with mag extension for 7+1 shooting for under 500.00

Kestryll
09-04-2005, 7:59 PM
Originally posted by Technical Ted:
Oops. Thought the Mossy 590 was the semi-auto referred to as the Jungle Gun by some.

That would be the Mossberg 9200A1 which is no longer in production I believe.
The Model 930 and 935 are the current Mossberg autoloaders mainly for hunting.

maxicon
09-04-2005, 10:43 PM
My boyfriend found a FN POLICE 8-SHOT TACTICAL. It was in the CDNN catalog (pg 35) for $270. He says its cheap so we should get it. I told him I don't mind inexpensive but I do mind cheap. What do you guys think?

The FN Police Tactical is based on the Winchester 1300 Defender and is essentially the same action. Both are great guns.

One plus of them is you can shoot the Aquila mini-shells in them, if you're so inclined. Less power, fewer pellets, lower recoil, and more rounds in the tube.

max

CaliTheKid
09-05-2005, 2:51 PM
I am in the middle of building my HD shotty. I started with a 870 Marine Magnum and sent to to Hans Vang for his comp/porting job and a few other goodies. If you start with an 870 or Mossy, and come into some money down the line you can make it state of the art if you choose. Kinda gives you something to look forward to http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

colossians323
09-05-2005, 5:57 PM
The Beretta 1201fp can be had with pistol grip, and mag extension for around 500.00 out the door. and it is semi.
Good Luck. I just picked up a benelli m1 super 90

09-05-2005, 7:40 PM
Just to give you kind folks an update. My boyfriend's been doing some readingon his own and talking with a few of hs friends and it looks like we are going to get a pump action after all. What he is pricing now is the Benelli Nova (maybe H2O version). I'll keep you all posted! He says if I can't get used to it then he'll use and we'll get me a semi-auto. I don't see the need fr two defensive shotguns but then again didn't see the need for guns until his brother got him into them. The side effect of that was that I got into them too. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

What are ghost rings and do we need them for the home defense purpose?

imported_DULLYJAY
09-06-2005, 6:40 AM
Originally posted by GNote:
of that was that I got into them too. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

What are ghost rings and do we need them for the home defense purpose?
Ghost rings are peep sights,but larger. You line the front sight in the middle of ring(rear sight). I think they call it ghost sight because if you're doing it right you can't see the rear sight. Someone will make this more clear for you. Maybe this pic. will help.
http://www.gunaccessories.com/ExpressSights/shotgun.asp

joe_sun
09-06-2005, 12:43 PM
I second the Rem 870 Marine Magnum. This is what I use as my defense shotty and I'll tell you why.

18in barrel, 6 shots (iirc), pump so you know it works and the sound scares the crap out of a bad guy plus it has a nickel plated finish that is rated to withstand salt water so I'm not worried about fingerprints or the dust in my closet.

I’ve spoken to cops where the departments issue semi auto shotguns. They have complained that they don’t have the extra level of force that you have with a pump. With a pump you can rack the slide and EVERYONE knows what that sound is and most people just give up on the spot. With a semi auto you lose that.

esskay
09-06-2005, 2:13 PM
Originally posted by joe_sun:
I’ve spoken to cops where the departments issue semi auto shotguns. They have complained that they don’t have the extra level of force that you have with a pump. With a pump you can rack the slide and EVERYONE knows what that sound is and most people just give up on the spot. With a semi auto you lose that.

Only problem with that is... if you are in a real home defense situation, are you really going to wait until the last minute when you see the intruder before you rack the slide to chamber a round?

maxicon
09-06-2005, 3:52 PM
if you are in a real home defense situation, are you really going to wait until the last minute when you see the intruder before you rack the slide to chamber a round?

Why not just have a box with a recording of a slide racking? Push the button, and off the bad guys run. Add some barking dog sounds (don't laugh - you can actually get these), and you're set.

Seriously, I understand the concept of scaring them off with the sound (though some folks argue you don't want to do anything to let them know your position), but that's a very minor reason to choose a defensive weapon, in my book.

Reliability, accuracy, power, usability - those are all important. If it makes a scary sound too, that's great.

max

HEUER
09-06-2005, 6:29 PM
That may be too much to think about. Most of us all agree that many semi-auto's make fine home-defense tools, I mentioned the 870 because it is an inexpensive, reliable, and a simple pump to operate. If you could get the recorder with a rail adapter that would be pretty funny. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

esskay
09-06-2005, 6:41 PM
Originally posted by heuer:
If you could get the recorder with a rail adapter that would be pretty funny. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Now that would be TACTICOOL, recorder with a rail adapter! LOL!

Originally posted by Technical Ted:
Secondary reason why I bought the Pro-Ears, once Wayne Lagger explained the concept to me, and why I keep my Pro-Ears with my HD weapon: The ability to pick up small noises like heavy breathing or slight movement before, during and after you chamber a round. The Pro-Ears aren't going to cut out when you rack the charging mechanism (Shotgun forend, pistol slide or bolt handle). With stereo amplification you might detect the intruders position from a reflex motion on their part or a change in their breathing.

The sensory amplification might also help you determine if there is more than one intruder.


It really is amazing. When I was testing my Sordins around the house, by turning up the volume just a little bit, I heard EVERYTHING. Even the swiffling of my shoes across the tile floor, the humming of the refrigerator, it was all amplified.

09-06-2005, 8:25 PM
Another updqate. We just got back from the Turners in West Covina. Saw the Nova and the M2 with a pistol grip. Both have ghost rings and we really like the idea now.

The pump on the Nova felt ricketty (is that a word?). We picked up the M2 and that feels really solid and the pistol grip was very nice.

We are back to the drawing board as the M2 is really appealing (except for the price).

The price of the Benelli M2 Super is almost $300 over our max of $700. Because we are only expecting to get one shotgun (that was what we said about hand guns), we are thinking about saving up for the M2. Were going to sleep on it a little and then think it over the weekend.

I'll keep you posted.

joe_sun
09-06-2005, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by esskay:
Only problem with that is... if you are in a real home defense situation, are you really going to wait until the last minute when you see the intruder before you rack the slide to chamber a round?

There are so many different ways to debate this and that is why some people choose one over the other. I see both sides to the story but I choose the way of the pump. To answer your question yes, that is the way I have been trained. Shotgun never has a round in the chamber until there is a threat. Of course all my firearms instructors were cops so it was more adapted to police situations.

I don’t store my shotgun with a round in the chamber. I’m also a firm believer of not letting someone know you are armed until the last second before they get shot. By chambering a round while in my room I feel I could be giving away that someone is about to kick some *** and prep the bad guy for it if they don’t book. If I think I hear something and I’m checking it out it’s with the 870 with the safety off and the chamber empty. If you see someone then rack the slide and handle the situation as it plays out.

Like it or not we do live in California. You goal should not be to kill anybody. It should always be to stop a specific action. If you can chamber a round and stop that action then you just saved yourself a lawsuit. If you need to shoot then shoot to stop them and pray their family doesn’t have an attorney. BTW 00 buck stops an action pretty damn quick.

You are getting off the main points of my post thou.

Remington 870 Marine.
Any accessory you could want (maybe even that tape recorder)
18 in barrel so it’s easier to move around the house
6 shots
Nickel plated with synthetic stock so no worry about rust or anything
Pump so it’s uber reliable. I’m also not sure if you can combat load a semi-auto? Combat loading is a HUGE plus in my book
Affordable

bhpdvcm24@sbcglobal.net
09-07-2005, 6:40 AM
Originally posted by GNote:
The price of the Benelli M2 Super is almost $300 over our max of $700.

If you have a chance, I'd really suggest looking at Remington's 11-87P too. Available with bead, rifle, or ghost rings. Mine puts three slugs into a one hole group at 25 yds, standing..... Recoil is nicer too.

colossians323
09-07-2005, 4:45 PM
I was just curious, When you load the first round into the chamber of a semi, doesnt it make the same sound in essence as racking a slide. I tried this with my remi 11/87. and my mossbrg 500, and it was virtually the same sound.

09-07-2005, 5:27 PM
I have a Benelli Nova and really love it.
It takes up to 3 1/2 mags, unlike most security shotguns. I bought the mercury dampening cylinder for the stock and that greatly reduced felt recoil. I also like the unibody construction....
The price is also terrific for a benelli proofed barrel...

09-07-2005, 5:28 PM
The West Covina Turners did not have a 11-87. I will try the Pasadena Turners and see if there is better luck there. I wouldn't mind getting a 11-87 if it is within our price range. The clerk at the WC Turners did say that the M2 is cleaner. I saw Berettas but they don't have a HD version. Smething about Beretta owning Benelli now so they let Benelli handle that market.

This is aother piece of info I didn't know unitl last night either. The WC Turners gentleman told us that if you get a semiauto then you are limited to 5 shells but the pump is as much as the SG can hold.

09-07-2005, 6:39 PM
I feel really stupid now. Sorry about that you guys. For what it's worth, I actually know better than to trust clerks when it comes to handguns.

colossians323
09-07-2005, 7:40 PM
this one (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=36896092) has a good price, but rifle sights.This one (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=36545522) is with in your price as well, but also rifle sights. Here is a with ghost ring sights and another (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=36776057) well within your price.
If you keep your eyes open, you can find deals on the internet if you are patient.
I picked a benelli m1 with factory pistol grip, and four shot extension for 575.00 used but in mint condition with only 25 rounds through it.

Good luck

-hanko
09-07-2005, 7:45 PM
Originally posted by GNote:
The West Covina Turners did not have a 11-87. I will try the Pasadena Turners and see if there is better luck there. I wouldn't mind getting a 11-87 if it is within our price range. The clerk at the WC Turners did say that the M2 is cleaner. I saw Berettas but they don't have a HD version. Smething about Beretta owning Benelli now so they let Benelli handle that market.

I've gotta' call bravo sierra on the "racking sound of the pump..." post. WHY are you giving away your position, and WHY is there not a round in the chamber already?? Does the bad guy respond with his own rack sound to tell you he's ready?? Do you carry a pistol loaded but no bullet ready to go 'bang'???

Beretta does own Benelli. The 1201FP is in the current law enforcement catalog & can be gotten from an le distributor, list is at http://www.berettausa.com/communities/le_mil/dealers.htm

Price should be in the neighborhood of an 1187; both are outstanding HD guns imo, you'll need ~ a 20" barrel for the 1187, either a deer or turkey barrel will work fine for the typical range to target. 1187's of various kinds are a lot more prevalent on the used market.

Between pump and semi-auto, it boils down to what is easiest for YOU to work. You can't tell which before you spend money unless you can borrow what you're considering from a friend or rent one from a range.

I'd SERIOUSLY recommend you and the BF pay the money and take a defensive shotgun class where you can try both. Between sales clerks & the internet, you're probably overloaded with input...not a good frame of mind to spend half a grand or so. Relax, take the class, and make your decision when you've each actually fired a case or two of shells.

-hanko

09-07-2005, 8:44 PM
Originally posted by -hanko:
I'd SERIOUSLY recommend you and the BF pay the money and take a defensive shotgun class where you can try both. Between sales clerks & the internet, you're probably overloaded with input...not a good frame of mind to spend half a grand or so. Relax, take the class, and make your decision when you've each actually fired a case or two of shells.

-hanko

I've heard the same said about hunting / clay shotguns: it is all about personal fit. Even if you like the looks or the engineering of one particular shotgun, it won't do you any good if it doesn't fit you, and either hurts your shoulder, or you can't shoot straight with it.

Where are good places in the bay area to take a defensive shotgun class? I only know of the tactical shotgun class taught by AWT at Reed's Indoor range; this is probably a very intense class (2 days), maybe more than a beginner needs. Also, if one doesn't have a shotgun to bring, at Reed's the only option for a loaner/rental shotgun is a Benelli Nova pump.

I'm facing a similar set of questions, probably will be dealt with early next year: I want to buy a good shotty, to be used for clays, and also for home defense. I will start that endeavor by going out to the clay range with a friend (league caption of the trap/skeet league we have in the office), and borrow a different gun from him every week for a few months, until I figure out what I really like.

A related quest is: I would like to buy exactly one 12-gauge semi-auto shotgun, and use it for both HD and clay sports. It would stay in the safe set up for HD (18.5" barrel, rifle or ghost ring sights, mag extension, maybe light); when I go to the clay range, I take the short barrel and the mag extension off, and put the really long barrel on instead. This seems to be quite difficult to do; among semi-auto shotguns it seems that only the 11-87 and the Benelli M2 can do that, and even then there are difficulties to overcome.

esskay
09-08-2005, 2:19 AM
Originally posted by treelogger:
A related quest is: I would like to buy exactly one 12-gauge semi-auto shotgun, and use it for both HD and clay sports. It would stay in the safe set up for HD (18.5" barrel, rifle or ghost ring sights, mag extension, maybe light); when I go to the clay range, I take the short barrel and the mag extension off, and put the really long barrel on instead. This seems to be quite difficult to do; among semi-auto shotguns it seems that only the 11-87 and the Benelli M2 can do that, and even then there are difficulties to overcome.

Curious why you'd elect to go with a 18.5" barrel as your "short barrel" for HD when you can legally go down to 18"?

09-08-2005, 12:45 PM
Actually, I'm not hung up about it being exactly a 18.500" barrel. I've always heard that shotgun manufacturers make their barrels a little bit longer than the absolute legal minimum, to make sure that measurement uncertainty and manufacturing tolerances don't cause someone to end up with an illegal barrel. I wouldn't mind having the shortest legally possible barrel, but it seems that 18.5" barrels are the only ones easy to get. Not that it makes a significant difference.

-hanko
09-08-2005, 8:17 PM
Originally posted by treelogger:
Actually, I'm not hung up about it being exactly a 18.500" barrel. I've always heard that shotgun manufacturers make their barrels a little bit longer than the absolute legal minimum, to make sure that measurement uncertainty and manufacturing tolerances don't cause someone to end up with an illegal barrel. I wouldn't mind having the shortest legally possible barrel, but it seems that 18.5" barrels are the only ones easy to get. Not that it makes a significant difference.

You can do it with an 1187, for certain with the SP models. 18 or 21 inch factory barrels are all over the place, as are longer barrels w/ interchangeable chokes for clay games. I can't guarantee other 1187's, like the European Profile, have shorter barrels available.

I do OK with a 26 or 28" barrel on my SP for clay games, but it's easier with an over/under. Also very easy to toast your budget with a good o/u. For hd I have a 21" (I think) barrel bored cylinder, and a 3-shot extension.

-hanko

zot
09-09-2005, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by esskay:
Curious why you'd elect to go with a 18.5" barrel as your "short barrel" for HD when you can legally go down to 18"?

Same concept as a "baker's dozen". A baker's dozen is 13 because some king way back when made a law that said any baker who short-changed his customer on a dozen would have their hands chopped off. So the bakers all started counting out 13 just in case. (entirely possible it's just an urban legend, of course)

Likewise, if gun makers went with an exactly 18" barrel and it ended up a millimeter under or a cop was using a crappy ruler, their customers might get hassled needlessly over the short-barreled shotgun classification. So they pad it a half-inch just to be sure, as treelogger said.

imported_1911_sfca
09-09-2005, 3:30 PM
Given your budget and requirements, I would recommend:

- Remington 870 Express. You can get it new at Big 5, with mag extension (7-shot) for $300

- Add a sling/carry strap, side saddle, and forend light.

You're still under $600, with an excellent gun. For better weight/balance, you can remove the mag extension, since in HD you probably won't need it.

Another option is the Mossberg 500, which can be had from Big 5 for about $220/230 new. It is lighter (aluminum receiver) and has 4 shot magazine.

I have both and love em both!

imported_1911_sfca
09-09-2005, 3:35 PM
Originally posted by esskay:
Only problem with that is... if you are in a real home defense situation, are you really going to wait until the last minute when you see the intruder before you rack the slide to chamber a round?

Yes. It's not very good practice to store a shotgun with a round in the chamber -- it could go off if you drop it.

I would rack the gun as soon as I pick it up, and give the bad guy one last chance to take off running.

09-11-2005, 10:43 PM
Speaking of home defense, I just purchased the Mossberg 500. I still need to accessorize, but I did consider many different shotguns until I spent the money.

gunnm619@aol.com
09-12-2005, 11:15 AM
Originally posted by Kestryll:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Technical Ted:
Oops. Thought the Mossy 590 was the semi-auto referred to as the Jungle Gun by some.

That would be the Mossberg 9200A1 which is no longer in production I believe.
The Model 930 and 935 are the current Mossberg autoloaders mainly for hunting. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats pretty interesting. What is the differance between the 9200A1 and a regular 9200? Cant you just build a 9200A1 out of a regular semi?

Also, what are the differances between the 500 and the 590? I own a 500 but I never bothered to find out the differances.

09-12-2005, 1:39 PM
the 9200a1 is much simplified. i don't know where you would get the parts to convert a 9200 into a 9200a1 or even if you can convert it. my 9200 starts to jam after about 250 rounds. my 9200a1 does not jam ever. if only there was an extended mag tube the 9200a1 would be the best combat semi around. i think the 4+1 is what led to the death of the jungle gun.

BigRich
09-12-2005, 2:53 PM
There is a mag tube extension for the 9200. It is the same tube that goes on the 5200. I have one on mine and it works great. The jamming problem comes from the crud/residue from the gas system coating the action tube. Mine does the same thing. I suppose if you were careful in the selection of ammo this could extend further before malfunctions begin. Maintenance is an issue that must be tended to. I noticed that the crud built up quickly using some cheap chinese shells.

09-13-2005, 4:33 AM
I am Nick. I am new member. Hello to all of you. I do not have a gun. I did not give too much thought about getting so to say. but some of my friends were attacked some days ago by some thiefs in their house two of them are badly hurt and they are in the hospital at the moment. So, do tell me, and I would appreciate very much if you would tell me how and where I can purchase a gun from. I think it will be a goiod idea to have one. I would appreciate very much any reply from you.

colossians323
09-13-2005, 6:05 PM
Originally posted by Dncn:
I am Nick. I am new member. Hello to all of you. I do not have a gun. I did not give too much thought about getting so to say. but some of my friends were attacked some days ago by some thiefs in their house two of them are badly hurt and they are in the hospital at the moment. So, do tell me, and I would appreciate very much if you would tell me how and where I can purchase a gun from. I think it will be a goiod idea to have one. I would appreciate very much any reply from you.

What area are you in?
I'm sure if your are local to one of the members, they will take you out shooting, and give you the best advice, and you can also get to feel and learn how to use a firearm safely.
I personally like using a handgun for self defense in my house, only because of the lack of room to aim and carry a long gun.
In my truck I like having a shotgun, because if I need a gun while I am out, it seem like a long gun makes more sense.
If you are Nor-Cal, I have a wide variety of calibres, and would be more then willing to help you decide, as will as learn how to be safe.

09-14-2005, 11:17 AM
REMINGTON 870P with remington LEO stock, beautiful weapon, should run you under 7 bills. 870's were used in Nam too.

imported_EricO
09-25-2005, 11:39 PM
Here's my Marine Magnum 870, customized by Dan Ruff of San Leandro (shop has been closed for some time now however http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/ArchieGoodwin/IMGP0867.jpg
It has the Speedfeed stocks, Sage tritium ghostring sights, Giles sling, Vang big head safety, sidesaddle, and Dan's porting, which has worked very well.
I like it, but if I ever do it again, it'll be a Hans Vang creation with either the WC/Scattergun ghostrings or possibly the newer LPA rear that is in use now.
EricO

m4ak
11-26-2010, 2:45 PM
in cali if it has a magazine tube it legal to have a pistol grip or any other "evil features"

pump: mossberg 500/maverak 88 remington 870 i dont have expence with winchester but remington and mossberg most popular with m&p can't go wrong with ether mossberg cheaper tho

auto loaders:remington good you can get a saiga but that can get tricky wit ether detachable mag or not

ether way it how you use it. even a single barrel shotgun can be a effective defence weapon if you use it right

try and find "short stick" methed online basicly you have the stock over ur arm the recerver parralel with you face makes shotgun in the home easier to manipulate. it actualy shorter then using a handgun with arms fully extended

Reductio
11-26-2010, 3:28 PM
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/attachments/world-affairs-board-pub/17114d1257963711-necropost-warning-pinhead-necro2.jpg

FatalKitty
11-26-2010, 5:58 PM
http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/attachments/world-affairs-board-pub/17114d1257963711-necropost-warning-pinhead-necro2.jpg

WHY MUST I DIE?!

grim1U
11-27-2010, 6:29 AM
....

How in the hell did you find a 5 year old post?:eek:

Neezer
11-27-2010, 8:25 AM
Given your budget and requirements, I would recommend:

- Remington 870 Express. You can get it new at Big 5, with mag extension (7-shot) for $300

- Add a sling/carry strap, side saddle, and forend light.

You're still under $600, with an excellent gun. For better weight/balance, you can remove the mag extension, since in HD you probably won't need it.

Another option is the Mossberg 500, which can be had from Big 5 for about $220/230 new. It is lighter (aluminum receiver) and has 4 shot magazine.

I have both and love em both!

this thread may be 5 years old, but the recommedation above is timeless!

Reductio
11-27-2010, 9:49 AM
WHY MUST I DIE?!

You're cool, I'll make an exception for you.

grim1U
11-27-2010, 1:08 PM
You're cool, I'll make an exception for you.

No...No...No...No exceptions, I hate exceptions, either the line is drawn or not. Draw, or draw not, there is no exceptions:D

BigBoyPinoy
12-02-2010, 11:30 AM
I'm sure there are a few of these which HD SG to get threads and many looking for them so it doesn't hurt to bump them up again and possibly add more info. Bumping up years old FS threads...now that's another matter. ;)

All are good choices I have at least one of each. My favorite right now and does bedside duty is the now discontinued Winchester 1300 defender. Lighter than the rest. Quickest action out of them, 8 shot capacity without add on extension, will cycle 10rnds of mini-Aguila shells, which works great in HD.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/kengulo/Shotguns/e11b4e0e.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t310/kengulo/Shotguns/8765e7b9.jpg

tacticalcity
12-02-2010, 11:50 AM
WHY MUST I DIE?!

Because you're a cat and we're all alpha dogs...duh! ;)

Thread comes back to life 10 years later. Maybe the kitties will be reborn as well.

Markus
12-02-2010, 12:23 PM
I want a 1300 defender just like that one..... Too bad they are all far away or have the synthetic stock and are spray painted....

Reductio
12-02-2010, 12:42 PM
Thread comes back to life 10 years later. Maybe the kitties will be reborn as well.

Zombie kitties. Great, just what I need...

Good excuse to pick up a 410 though. :D

drunktank
12-02-2010, 7:41 PM
For the OP, here are just a couple friendly comments that I hope will help.

If you are nervous and forget to rack the slide for a second shot, you may also be too nervous to fire off just one shot at the bad guy and cause harm to others.

Racking the slide isn't always a good idea. If someone was breaking in, I'd already have it locked and loaded before leaving the room and wouldn't want to give away my position by trying to scare him with a racking sound (different situations may occur obviously).

For pumps (actually semi's too), the big three or four if you include Benelli are all fine guns. I'd personally pick which ever fits your body the best. For me it was a Mossberg due to me liking the tang safety.

Lots of good advice here, good luck with your choice.

jackandblood
12-03-2010, 1:16 PM
I dont think forgetting to pump will be an issue. The moment you pick it up you will know you're not handling a handgun. Turners has some config'ed with the ar-15 style collapsable stock and pistol grip and some with the stock-mounted extra shell carriers. I handled several variants.

What struck me was how handy the pistol grip versions were. I mean I know actually firing it will be somewhat uncomfortable, but maneuvering them really a pleasant surprise.

HD i'd go with pistol grip fore sure. Put a flash light on there. I'd wager the pump action sound and a super bright light casting bright flares and moving shadows will send the invader running without you ever having to fire a shot.

Marine oifvet
12-03-2010, 1:39 PM
O.P. I am with you on this one, everyone says get a pump action for home defence. WHY? Because it sounds cool when you rack one in it/ and scares the invader? I dont know about you, but I dont want an unwelcomed guest in my house knowing where I am cause I rack a round.
I just finished my H.D. shotgun. It is a REM. 1100 12g. I had the barrel cut to 18.5", added a three shell extention(holds 8 shells), keep the wood handguard and butt stock, and had all of the metal parts parkerized so it has a dark grey color. Its in about your price range, and if you want I know the guy to do the work. Let me know if you are interest or want pics.

Cowboy T
12-03-2010, 1:52 PM
That "Necroposter!!!!" pic had me laughing hysterically. Where'd you find that?

jackandblood
12-03-2010, 2:03 PM
I dont think it sounds 'cool' I think it sounds business. Allies made a film to stress that just because the mg42 sounds like all hell, they aren't. Bombs with whistles. flashbangs (the home equivalent would be those strobing tactical lights). Psychological. Point is you dont have to have a bodycount to protect your home. And irregardless, if undeterred, you still are carrying shotgun are you not?

FatalKitty
12-03-2010, 4:28 PM
Zombie kitties. Great, just what I need...

Good excuse to pick up a 410 though. :D

oh man, zombie kitties would be ultimate - "oohhh so cute!" GAAAAHHH!!! it's eating meeeeeeaaa!!!

haha

diginit
12-03-2010, 4:50 PM
I have a Remi 870, 20" with rifle sights. 3" mag BB shot for HD. 4&1 is good enough. If you can't hit your assailants with 5 rnds containing 98 BB's each from a shotgun, You're already dead... Another 2 rnds won't help...