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aermotor
06-16-2009, 2:42 PM
These guys are ridiculous, just called to see if they had cards there so I can take the test and get one, but the guy said the only way they would do it is if I was buying a gun from them... wtf? Is this a common practice?

Getting my out of state purchase sent to IAC and they don't have any so I gotta find some place that will issue me one. Guess I'll try Turners now, just annoying because it's further away.

Vin496
06-16-2009, 2:57 PM
Doesn't surprise me. I have only dealt with them once and that was a PPT where I was the buyer.

They charged me $25 for the Dros and $25 for storage and lock. This was only my second PPT and I had driven all the way up to Burbank, so I just took it, but will never go back and do not recommend them.

Greg-Dawg
06-16-2009, 3:00 PM
I got my HSC at the local gun show...and I didn't buy a gun, just got the HSC.

X-NewYawker
06-16-2009, 3:01 PM
I've had this happen to me a few times at different stores. (Turners, Scumbag Gretas) They say that the CA DOJ is rationing the number of cards they get (ie., delivering them VERY slowly on request) and so they don't want to give you the test so you can go off and buy a gun somewhere else, "wasting" their precious card! Really!

chickenfried
06-16-2009, 3:06 PM
Not sure what the current situation is. But when I bought my last pistol a few months back, there was a shortage of HSC cards. So the first few shops I called were either out or instituted a similar policy as the one you're posting about. Makes sense to me if there's a shortage of the cards to save em for their buyers.

lorax3
06-16-2009, 3:29 PM
Many dealers see administering an HSC to people who aren't buying a gun there and then a waste of time. Many FFL's so not realize you need an HSC when you borrow a handgun for more then three days, or receive an intra-familial transfer.

I have been told that employee's must be a certified HSC instructor before they can administer the test. Although I have yet to verify this.

SmokinMr2
06-16-2009, 3:34 PM
Since they have to be bought from the state at $100.00 a set, a lot of gun stores want to save them for their customers.
Getting it at the gun show seems to be a good way to go.

bigmike82
06-16-2009, 3:41 PM
Check with Entreprise Arms out in Irwindale.

Kruzr
06-16-2009, 3:51 PM
Many dealers see administering an HSC to people who aren't buying a gun there and then a waste of time. Many FFL's so not realize you need an HSC when you borrow a handgun for more then three days, or receive an intra-familial transfer.

I have been told that employee's must be a certified HSC instructor before they can administer the test. Although I have yet to verify this.

Officially, you need to be certified by the state (I am) to administer the handgun safety demonstration test. You must put your state certified ID number on the form. Instructors don't have HSC's, we have a card that looks like it but says Certified Instructor in big red letters.

The HSC only has the shop's name on it but we were told it should be a certified instructor who "proctors" the test and signs it. I just can't find that in the regs.

There is no state shortage or conspiracy to withhold HSC's. It's just that with all the scare tactics being used to raise money, people went on a buying spree that shops weren't prepared for. That caused a run on orders for more HSC's and they had to be made before they could be sent out.

chickenfried
06-16-2009, 4:04 PM
there's no shortage, the cards just need to be made and sent out:confused::p


There is no state shortage............ It's just that with all the scare tactics being used to raise money, people went on a buying spree that shops weren't prepared for. That caused a run on orders for more HSC's and they had to be made before they could be sent out.

halifax
06-16-2009, 4:13 PM
Since they have to be bought from the state at $100.00 a set, a lot of gun stores want to save them for their customers.
Getting it at the gun show seems to be a good way to go.

That would be $150 per set of ten. The pack has a face value of $250.

I think the problem is that shops got caught short when the buying frenzy began. Why they haven't caught up yet is beyond me. The HSC packets are available if you bother to order them.

I guess $15 profit for 10 minutes work isn't good enough for some.

nemisis1400
06-16-2009, 4:45 PM
I'm not entirely sure, but I think that Firing-line Northridge does HSC tests. It's the only range that I know of that also does transfers and sells guns, along with all the renting.

Kruzr
06-16-2009, 4:53 PM
there's no shortage, the cards just need to be made and sent out:confused::p

Which adds about a week to the order. The last order I'm aware of took 2 weeks to get the cards.....that's the normal time. This was about a month and a half ago.

Yes, all the Firing Line's offer the HSC test on a walk in basis.

tomd1584
06-16-2009, 5:00 PM
Yep firing line in Burbank offers it.

qaz987
06-16-2009, 5:08 PM
It sucks hind teats but lots of shops have used that same line.

BB63Squid
06-16-2009, 5:17 PM
FYI...The Crossroads shows usually have a guy there that administers the HSC test and that is all he does. So if you just want the card and have no intent on getting a handgun the same day you might want to try that route.

Greg-Dawg
06-16-2009, 7:04 PM
Yep firing line in Burbank offers it.

FAIL.

Only Northridge.

Gunaria
06-16-2009, 7:09 PM
I had no problems with Gun World in Burbank. I did a PPT there as well and didn't have to pay for any lock or storage fee. YMMV

GoodEyeSniper
06-16-2009, 7:12 PM
What's funny is that the lady who filled out my card almost a year ago, put the wrong year down for "date of issue". It happened to be the day after my birthday that I got the card (Sep. 11), and she mentioned something about it, and must've just mixed up the numbers.

She wrote date of issue as 9/11/1986. Which would've been when I was just a day old, haha... I went back later and she made some illegible marks stating that it was actually from 08. Not sure if any other store will accept it though

dpark514
06-16-2009, 7:20 PM
If you need to take the HSC just go to the LA gun club. Everyone there is very nice. No hassle, No fuss. Only charge you the correct amount of $25.
www.thelosangelesgunclub.com

West coast
06-16-2009, 8:38 PM
That is common at most gun shop at this time. You take the HSC test and they want you to buy a gun too.

op487062
06-16-2009, 9:17 PM
If you need to take the HSC just go to the LA gun club. Everyone there is very nice. No hassle, No fuss. Only charge you the correct amount of $25.
www.thelosangelesgunclub.com


+1

i just took the test there a couple weeks ago. the people there are great and friendly, they answered all my questions despite it being pretty busy.

markw
06-16-2009, 9:17 PM
I have been told that employee's must be a certified HSC instructor before they can administer the test. Although I have yet to verify this.

What's this HSC again? :) Sounds like a pain.

b18bturboek9
06-16-2009, 9:51 PM
Handgun Safety Card

Oldnoob
06-16-2009, 10:12 PM
Handgun Safety Certificate.

markw
06-17-2009, 12:21 AM
I was being sarcastic... HSC appears to be a pain, glad I didn't have to deal with it. Sounds like it's getting harder and harder to just take the silly little quiz and pay your silly little safety tax. What really struck me as weird was a buddy of mine said he had to move out of California to a free state and it was a HUGE eye opener as to how socialist this place has become. I realized today while purchasing some pistol ammo, that if you're over 18 and own a handgun but not over 21 you can't purchase ammo for your handgun here. But hey, you can join the military at 17 and take one for your country no problem. :( The whole HSC thing is BS, they should change the title.

aermotor
06-17-2009, 12:36 AM
FAIL.

Only Northridge.

Ahhh no!!!! I was so excited cause that's close to me... dammit haha!

aztecw
06-17-2009, 12:56 AM
I got mine at Turners Pasadena about a month ago. No problems no fuss. I was in and out. They didn't even ask if I was buying a gun.

aermotor
06-17-2009, 1:46 AM
Cool thanks I'll just go there.

Kruzr
06-17-2009, 5:13 AM
FAIL.

Only Northridge.

Double FAIL. Northridge is the only one of the three Firing Lines that have an FFL and sell guns. All of the Firing Lines offer a basic handgun course and offer the HSC test.

Greg-Dawg
06-17-2009, 8:58 AM
Double FAIL. Northridge is the only one of the three Firing Lines that have an FFL and sell guns. All of the Firing Lines offer a basic handgun course and offer the HSC test.

Triple FAIL. Again, only Northridge. Contact Burbank and Huntington Beach if they offer the HSC test.

You owe me an In 'N Out Animal Style.

hkusp9c
06-17-2009, 9:03 AM
LA downtown shooting range offers HSC.

aermotor
06-17-2009, 10:13 AM
Jeesus there's a lot of failing going on in here...

Untamed1972
06-17-2009, 11:05 AM
Rationing of HSC cards seems like a underground form to gun control does it not?

Untamed1972
06-17-2009, 11:07 AM
I got mine at Turners Pasadena about a month ago. No problems no fuss. I was in and out. They didn't even ask if I was buying a gun.

Cuz the last time I was a turner's the racks and cases were nearly empty....guess they have plenty of HSC cards now but no guns to sell.

FastFinger
06-17-2009, 3:04 PM
Just earlier today I walked into Turner's in Pasadena (first time there) and took the HSC test. They were friendly, prompt, and efficient.

The ammo shelves had a lot more void space than ammo, and a couple of the glass display cases were completely empty and looked real sad, but they did have a few Glocks and XDs.

(did get 100%, but I'll admit that I scanned the booklet last night)

Sobriquet
06-17-2009, 3:24 PM
I've had very bad luck with GW in Burbank. After a terrible experience of using them as an FFL, I refuse to ever deal with them again.

Avoid. Avoid. Avoid.

ADAM
06-17-2009, 3:44 PM
gun world prices are out of this world expensive

go to ammo brothers for hsc card and guns they treat you right. :thumbsup:

aermotor
06-17-2009, 3:56 PM
gun world prices are out of this world expensive

I've heard this from MANY people now... yea. I think just cause their name is GUN WORLD and they are centrally located to a huge population of first time buyers they jack them up. Not that we need less gun shops, but I've only heard bad about them.

Can't wait till my FNP-40 rolls in.

ADAM
06-17-2009, 4:04 PM
there is also gun galere in glendale stay away far far away

bear308
06-17-2009, 4:04 PM
FAIL.

Only Northridge.

FAIL

only Northridge and Huntington Beach

ADAM
06-17-2009, 4:06 PM
just about every gun shop in san fernando valley jacks the price up on there guns including kings gunworks in glendale

Scratch705
06-17-2009, 4:11 PM
just a fyi, where can i find the booklet so i can study up for the test? hard time trying to navigate the CA DOJ's website....

DeanW66
06-17-2009, 8:41 PM
Downloadable PDF here (http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/forms/pdf/hscsg.pdf). First link returned by Yahoo when "DOJ HSC study guide" was entered :kest:. You're welcome ;).

FastFinger
06-17-2009, 8:43 PM
just a fyi, where can i find the booklet so i can study up for the test? hard time trying to navigate the CA DOJ's website....

Technically shouldn't that be "fmi" as in "for my information"?

Anyway, fyi - you can download it in pdf form here (ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/hscsg.pdf).

dpark514
06-17-2009, 9:22 PM
gun world prices are out of this world expensive

go to ammo brothers for hsc card and guns they treat you right. :thumbsup:

:thumbsup: I highly recommend ammobros in cerritos. Had my handgun shipped there and everyone there was very easy going and helpful. They charge $75 for out of state FFL transfers which seems to be one of the lowest in the area. I remember calling Gun World and they were asking for $150.

Scratch705
06-18-2009, 12:15 AM
Technically shouldn't that be "fmi" as in "for my information"?

Anyway, fyi - you can download it in pdf form here (ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/hscsg.pdf).

yea sry for the fyi/fmi mixup.

thank you tho for the link. will be studying now! :)

Gunaria
06-18-2009, 12:35 AM
This is what GW charges;

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/131441000/131441035/pix345997515.jpg

taloft
06-18-2009, 2:40 AM
Crap, I just looked at my HSC and realized that he shorted me a year. It was issued 3-17-06 and the Exp. date is written as 3-17-10. Five years would be 3-17-11. Oh well, good thing he is a friend.:p

hill billy
06-18-2009, 6:57 AM
" Hi I am interested in buying that H&K over there and I'll need to take the HSC test as well"
" ok"

Go through all the motions, get my score, get my card, go to pay.

"Excuse me sir,it seems your card has been declined"

"oh what a shame, well, here's $25 bucks cash for the test, have a nice day"

:D I like (most) of Gun World's employees, but the owner is a richard noggen.

FastFinger
06-18-2009, 9:32 AM
This is what GW charges;

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/131441000/131441035/pix345997515.jpg


At least they don't attempt to scalp you on the PPT:)

hill billy
06-18-2009, 9:34 AM
At least they don't attempt to scalp you on the PPT:)
This is the equivalent of saying " You're getting bent over and railed with a sandpaper prophylactic but at least you're getting a reach around"

Mike's Custom
06-18-2009, 1:06 PM
Doesn't surprise me. I have only dealt with them once and that was a PPT where I was the buyer.

They charged me $25 for the Dros and $25 for storage and lock. This was only my second PPT and I had driven all the way up to Burbank, so I just took it, but will never go back and do not recommend them.

If I am not mistaken, a FFL can't charge "holding or storage" fees during the waiting period or the 30 day period because it is mandated by the state. They can charge for holding after the 30 day period is up if you haven't picked it up by then. You might want to call the DOJ and find out but I am pretty sure that is in the code.

As for the HSC thing, some FFL have limited them to their customers and for good reason. During this gun buying frenzy it was not unreasonable to run out of certificates so the FFLs with only a couple left will limit them. I have done this a couple times when i was doing gun shows because I only had 2 or 3 left and would rather sell guns to my customers then to a transfer for another dealer that didn't bring any because they didn't want to mess with doing the tests at guns shows. Right now, I am out and have been waiting for more to be shipped but with the government "slowdown" it is taking weeks instead of days.

ADAM
06-18-2009, 1:27 PM
man hell i would never step foot in gun world again i think we the costumer should be doing our part for the owners to realise not to jack people up.

flatovercrest
06-18-2009, 1:46 PM
Gun World...that place is something. I wonder if they have any clue what the word "customer service" means..

aermotor
06-18-2009, 2:58 PM
" Hi I am interested in buying that H&K over there and I'll need to take the HSC test as well"
" ok"

Go through all the motions, get my score, get my card, go to pay.

"Excuse me sir,it seems your card has been declined"

"oh what a shame, well, here's $25 bucks cash for the test, have a nice day"

:D I like (most) of Gun World's employees, but the owner is a richard noggen.

Holy **** priceless!!! I just had to get a new ATM card too lol... should I give it a go just to spite those jerkoffs?

Those dealer to dealer fees are just insane. Talk about gouging out the people who keep them in biz. When I talked to the guy on the phone and asked if I could just get the card there he literally was such an a-hole and couldn't actually believe I would even ask for that... come on people, the customer keeps you in biz. Trash your service, trash your biz. They need to wise up.

Mike's Custom
06-18-2009, 3:38 PM
Holy **** priceless!!! I just had to get a new ATM card too lol... should I give it a go just to spite those jerkoffs?

Those dealer to dealer fees are just insane. Talk about gouging out the people who keep them in biz. When I talked to the guy on the phone and asked if I could just get the card there he literally was such an a-hole and couldn't actually believe I would even ask for that... come on people, the customer keeps you in biz. Trash your service, trash your biz. They need to wise up.

You have to remember, dealers work on a hourly wage that is equated to markup. What do you make per hour of labor? Chances are you won't go to jail or lose your livelyhood for some simple mistakes. Drs have to make enough to payback their student loans, and malpractice insurance. FFL dealers have to cover lawsuits and high insurance costs as well as lifetime (or as long as they are in business) record keeping and tracing abilities as well as make and provide copies of everything. I doubt very seriousely that anyone here would want to make the hourly wage of a FFL owner for the amount of labor a FFL entails.

FastFinger
06-18-2009, 4:47 PM
It's pretty clear that GW simply doesn't have any desire to handle FFL transfers. They're a private business and if they feel confident that policy is in their best financial interest, then as far as I'm concerned that's their right. I certainly do not begrudge a businessman running his business the way he wants.

However... I feel that stance is short sighted and a money loser long term. I like to spend my money in places where I feel comfortable and appreciated. The firearm is not just another commodity - for many of us it is much more. History, independence, protection, pastime, community. Their bottomline dollar oriented attitude is a bit too crass. I'd rather spend my money, and time, with a retailer who shares a bit of the passion, not just the transaction.

Kruzr
06-18-2009, 5:41 PM
Triple FAIL. Again, only Northridge. Contact Burbank and Huntington Beach if they offer the HSC test.

You owe me an In 'N Out Animal Style.

Didn't know Burt gave it up. Guess the correction sheet was too complicated. :D HB certainly does offer it. My handwriting is on quite a few of them.

626Tony
06-18-2009, 5:46 PM
I bought a glock 30 from them and they gave me a year at their range for free I guess its common. Not sure. I went there once and I will never go again!

HappyG
06-18-2009, 6:53 PM
They did that to my buddy who was looking to purchase at the time. He took all of his business out of state. They lost a TON of money...oh well.

cmace22
06-18-2009, 8:11 PM
This is what GW charges;

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/131441000/131441035/pix345997515.jpg

I was just about to say the same thing. I go to gunworld to window shop before I drive to OC to buy. That place sucks and they only sell to uninformed noob's.

When I was in the market for an XD 45 Tac they quoted me 250 over what I paid AFTER dros and tax in OC.

Mike's Custom
06-18-2009, 8:32 PM
Well, from the picsture it seems they want to discourage customers from coming back.

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/131441000/131441035/pix345997515.jpg

aermotor
06-19-2009, 12:55 AM
Man just looked at it again..... $135 + sales tax on the gun?! How does that work? They didn't buy the gun, why is there tax on top of it? Do other places do this? I don't think so...

That's $60 more just for the transfer alone than other places, add 10% for tax on a $500 gun and you're looking at nearly $200 JUST for them to do the paper work? Holy hell man. I know I'm beating the horse but I'm just shocked.

martinr
06-19-2009, 6:27 AM
I've been to Gun World a number of times and received excellent service and I purchased a Wesson CBOB from them. It was more expensive than some other shops, however, the other shops did NOT have the gun in stock or if they did it was a display model or a gun that had been handled by quite a few lookers. Gun World had the gun and it was NIB. As for there seemingly high prices for transfers, so what? Nobody is forcing anyone to use them for the service and considering Gun World is a business and not a public service why all the whining? It isn't like you are being lured there with false advertising. I own my own business and I try to get as much as I can for what I sell, I assume Gun World does too. They must be doing something right, every time I've been in there customers were buying guns and ammo. And not all "noobs" as stated in this thread. As for you guys that go in there to look and decide but then go elsewhere to buy, that's your choice, but it isn't something you really want to brag about.

cmace22
06-19-2009, 9:44 AM
I've been to Gun World a number of times and received excellent service and I purchased a Wesson CBOB from them.

Good for you.


It was more expensive than some other shops, however, the other shops did NOT have the gun in stock or if they did it was a display model or a gun that had been handled by quite a few lookers. Gun World had the gun and it was NIB.

Thats the point of MANY other post's.


As for there seemingly high prices for transfers, so what? Nobody is forcing anyone to use them for the service and considering Gun World is a business and not a public service why all the whining?


Its not whinning, its laughing.



It isn't like you are being lured there with false advertising. I own my own business and I try to get as much as I can for what I sell, I assume Gun World does too.

That they do.


They must be doing something right, every time I've been in there customers were buying guns and ammo. And not all "noobs" as stated in this thread.


I read somewhere once that even eskimos buy snow from some people!


As for you guys that go in there to look and decide but then go elsewhere to buy, that's your choice, but it isn't something you really want to brag about.


Either is knowingly overpaying for a firearm you were too lazy to find cheeper 5 miles away.






....

Greg-Dawg
06-19-2009, 10:49 AM
....Nobody is forcing anyone to use them for the service and considering Gun World is a business and not a public service why all the whining?...

Sadly most calgunners have that "public service ME" mindset. I love going to Turners or my local range at the counter and over hear, "I'm a Calguns/NRA member...so can I get a discount?" Counter guy plainly says, "Nope". It's a business.

chickenfried
06-19-2009, 12:02 PM
They're free to charge whatever they want. We're also free to comment on their business.

cmace22
06-19-2009, 12:23 PM
They're free to charge whatever they want. We're also free to comment on their business.



I like the way you think my friend.

hill billy
06-19-2009, 5:04 PM
I bought a glock 30 from them and they gave me a year at their range for free I guess its common. Not sure. I went there once and I will never go again!
They do that for everyone. Unfortunately, their range is in Van Nuys and they got a lot of idiots in there. I bought one gun, a 10/22 from them, it's the only thing I have every seen price anywhere close to what i can get if for elsewhere. Luckily Gun World has a lot of guns so I can go there and try what I want before I buy it here or somewhere else for hundreds less.
:chris:

aermotor
06-20-2009, 12:58 PM
Went to Turners today to get my card, no problem. 3 other people taking the test as well.

As usual two employees in red shirts didn't give an F and would talk back to the boss in grey shirt (Will, Wes, something like that, he was amazing, so helpful and actually cared about customers) that one guy made me like Turners again, but they need to drop the guys with the attitude.

FNP-40 will be in my possesion in about two weeks!

Greg-Dawg
06-20-2009, 2:33 PM
Glad you got it, which Turners?

aermotor
06-28-2009, 10:32 PM
Pasadena, no problems. I told the manager there that Gun World said they would not give the HSC test unless you were buying a gun from them and he just shook his head. It seems that place had all this bad stuff coming by their practices.

WINGEDSWORD
06-29-2009, 7:56 PM
I have been shooting and dealing with gun shops my entire adult life and a good part of my teens. That's longer than a lot of you have been alive.
Gun Word is without a doubt the WORST shop that I have ever encountered!
You couldn't get me to patronize that place at gun point!

CnCFunFactory
07-11-2009, 3:04 AM
man hell i would never step foot in gun world again i think we the costumer should be doing our part for the owners to realise not to jack people up.

I go in there to look and touch. I would never buy from them though. Their prices are ridiculous. IMHO.

Greg-Dawg
07-11-2009, 7:20 AM
I go in there to look and touch. I would never buy from them though. Their prices are ridiculous. IMHO.

Still, people will continually buy there.

626Tony
07-11-2009, 9:59 AM
yeah they are a RIP go to Turners (of all places) and pay $25 and you walk out with the card! Ive never heard of that EVER ! did you check the fees too?? BUT the people/workers there were nice to me and let me see whatever I wanted in the display cases. They are expensive and they know it! as for transffering in just go elsewhere.

626Tony
07-11-2009, 10:03 AM
They do that for everyone. Unfortunately, their range is in Van Nuys and they got a lot of idiots in there. I bought one gun, a 10/22 from them, it's the only thing I have every seen price anywhere close to what i can get if for elsewhere. Luckily Gun World has a lot of guns so I can go there and try what I want before I buy it here or somewhere else for hundreds less.
:chris:

True I also never used the range membership too far from me.

eldy
07-11-2009, 3:07 PM
Is it okay to laminate your HSC? Any paper gets pretty beat up in my wallet.