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Mike's Custom
06-13-2009, 1:17 AM
That there are guns on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale that have expired dates? Some are several days old and that in the past didn't happen. The day one went off it was dropped from the list but now Ruger has a couple and Magnum Research has one. I have not looked at all the others but I bet there are some under other manufacturers.

bigcalidave
06-13-2009, 3:38 AM
Slackers? Budget Cuts??

lunde
06-13-2009, 6:50 AM
Apparently, our wonderful state has created something that is proving to be difficult to maintain. :rolleyes:

JTROKS
06-13-2009, 8:03 AM
With the budget deficit CA should nix all that drop test non-sense.

Mike's Custom
06-13-2009, 8:37 AM
I don't think it has to do with budget cuts. In the past if the expiration date was 06/10/2009 it was gone at the end of 06/09/2009. I believe the software automaticlly drop it out of the system. And, while they are still on hte list they are also still listed on the DROS drop-down menu for us FFLs and that never happened before.

dfletcher
06-13-2009, 9:13 AM
With the budget deficit CA should nix all that drop test non-sense.

I think drop test is a source of revenue for the state, although given their usual efficiency I wouldn't be surprised if they turned it into a break even proposition.

AgentAK
06-13-2009, 9:23 AM
I wonder what would happen if an FFL were to DROS one of them? Are they responsible for looking at the date, or is the fact that they are on the list good enough?

hoffmang
06-13-2009, 2:50 PM
I wonder if this is a potential response to Pena v. Cid (http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php/Pena_v_Cid)? We'll hear something on that July 6...

-Gene

Pistolwhipped
06-13-2009, 3:25 PM
The good thing for us is every ban or law to make ammo harder to get or pistols to be on a "approved" list takes money. A lot of money. That is one thing our state does not have right now. So perhaps this is the first sign of them starting to make some cuts. :mnl:

solanoshooter
06-13-2009, 4:09 PM
I think drop test is a source of revenue for the state, although given their usual efficiency I wouldn't be surprised if they turned it into a break even proposition.

The tests themselves are done by independent Labs. The three currently approved by DOJ are out state.

The state takes their cut in the RCH listing fee. I have no idea what the current fee is.

Librarian
06-13-2009, 5:57 PM
The tests themselves are done by independent Labs. The three currently approved by DOJ are out state.

The state takes their cut in the RCH listing fee. I have no idea what the current fee is.

$200 per gun/model, plus 3 copies of each one for testing.

DOJ budget (http://2008-09.archives.ebudget.ca.gov/Revised/StateAgencyBudgets/0010/0820/department.html) is on line; their 2008-2009 budget number is $792,691,000. There are 1329 models in the database, * $200, yielding annual income from listing of $265,800, around 3/10 of 1% of the budget.

They wouldn't turn it down, but it isn't really significant.

hoffmang
06-13-2009, 6:31 PM
One thing I do know is that DOJ is losing headcount and is not allowed to rehire. As such, this may just be the bureaucracy slowing down.

-Gene

solanoshooter
06-13-2009, 8:01 PM
I thought I remember hearing it was $200, but I couldn't find it on DOJs site.

Librarian
06-13-2009, 10:09 PM
I thought I remember hearing it was $200, but I couldn't find it on DOJs site.

It's specified in 11 California Code of Regulations (http://ccr.oal.ca.gov/), about 4070

Mike's Custom
06-14-2009, 12:42 PM
One thing I do know is that DOJ is losing headcount and is not allowed to rehire. As such, this may just be the bureaucracy slowing down.

-Gene

It was announced that cuts were being mad but not on fee based jobs or areas. Since the Firearms Division is fee based on the DROS fees collected and the firearms safety programs that Firearms division of the DOJ should not lose to many people. I guess it will depend on how they define "fee based".