Sportsman Guide won't ship ammunition to California

[Dick Thomas]

My E-mail to customer service.

Message: I was just notified by one of you phone order staff that you do not/will not sell ammunition to me as I live in California. According to the person I spoke to, "it is illegal" to sell ammunition to anyone living in California. While I do agree that this State is really screwed up, I do know for a fact that I can still legally buy ammunition on line from out of state vendors. While this was my first attempted purchse from you, I buy ammuntion from Cabela's as well as a number of other out of state vendors all the time. I certainly don't want to argue with your business model, but it does seem to me that you are giving up a great number of shooters and other sportsman by having a corporate policy where you do not sell a LEGAL product to a LEGAL purchaser. Frankly, I do hope that the person I spoke was wrong, and misinterpreted your policy, but he did speak with conviction. In any case I would like some confirmaiton that what I was told is in fact your corporate policy.

To answer the question about where I live and where I asked them to ship: I live in Ventura County and neither my City or Ventura County have any restricitons on purchasing ammunition.

OK, I JUST SPOKE WITH CUSTOMER SERVICE AGAIN, AND A VERY NICE LADY RECHECKED MY ORDER STATUS AND TOLD ME THAT "VENTURA COUNTY IS ON THE DON'T SELL LIST" I ASKED HER TO CHECK AND TELL ME WHY AND SHE WAS ONLY ABLE TO SAY THAT IT IS A CORPORATE POLICY NOT TO SELL TO VENTURA COUNTY. SO FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH............



Their reply:


Thank you for your email.


I apologize for the restriction on your recent order. It is true that not all of our restrictions are based on a specific law. Some restrictions come from the request of someone such as an Attorney General, not wanting certain items shipped into their state or specific areas.


It is our policy to follow all such requests.


If you have any questions please contact us.


BASED ON THEIR REPLY, I WILL NEVER BE SHOPPING THERE AGAIN.

[remington]

Anti 2A business it sounds like. Their explanation is BS as we all know. Call Natchez.

[elenius]

That's weird, I've ordered ammo from them several times before.

[Kid Stanislaus]

It looks to me like the anti movement in CA has reached a tipping point and now out of state businesses are starting to avoid us like the plague.

[JDoe]

Their reply:


Thank you for your email.


I apologize for the restriction on your recent order. It is true that not all of our restrictions are based on a specific law. Some restrictions come from the request of someone such as an Attorney General, not wanting certain items shipped into their state or specific areas.


It is our policy to follow all such requests.


If you have any questions please contact us.

So contact the Attorney General and ask him why he is interfering with inter-state commerce by telling Sportsman's Guide not to sell to California or certain areas.

[jben]

Weird. I had ammo from Sportsman's Guide delivered just a couple weeks ago.

[jrara]

Can it be based in the County or City you live in??

[rdagloria]

^^ my thoughts too, what county do you live in? certain counties don't allow ammo to be shipped to residents.

[rdagloria]

So I knew i saw a vendor that listed places that they will NOT ship ammo to, and low and behold, it was sportsman guide. If you live in one of those counties and you didn't see that message clearly labeled as you we're purchasing ammo, then that's on you.

I'm not trying to sound like a dick, but, when It's clearly labeled and you try to order it anyway. I'm just sayin'.

check it out:

WARNING: Ammunition cannot be shipped to Marin, Napa, Ventura and Yolo counties, CA; Los Angeles, Oakland, Sacramento and San Francisco, CA; HI; Chicago, IL; New York City; D.C.; MA; Canada or Puerto Rico. Ammunition cannot be shipped Parcel Post. If shipping to IA, must be 21. Please check your State, County and City laws for restrictions before ordering Ammunition.

[Untamed1972]

That's odd.....I have received several orders of ammo from them in recent months. And got shipping confirmation on my most recent order just a couple of days ago. But I order on the website....not by phone.

[BONECUTTER]

They ship me ammo.....just depends on your ZIP.

[RT13]

Have never ordered from SG before but you may want to try Natchezss.com or MidwayUSA.com. These guys are great and not anti CA. But it does have to do wiht your county or city. For instance, LA County can order ammo online but not LA City.

[Legasat]

There ARE several areas in CA where they cannot ship (City or County Ordinances)

I live in North San Diego County, and I ordered from them several times with no issues.

Sounds like you live in one of these places, and if so, Nobody will ship ammo to you. Bummer...

[IGOTDIRT4U]

That's weird, I've ordered ammo from them several times before.

Yep, up until 10/08, I was ordering ammo from them about once a month, and NEVER had a problem. People were complaining about their policy way before that so something is not right here. BTW, I am in OC.

[chansen49]

Ventura County is a NO NO for ammo shipping, It says it at every website!

[Flopper]

i know it sucks, but get an address at a Postal Connections in a town/county they'll ship to. they supposedly give you a street address instead of a PO box or "PMB" number.

[Dick Thomas]

Wrong - - I buy ammunition on line all the time. I KNOW for a fact that neither Ventura County, nor the City where I live has any law/ordinance that prohibits the purchase or delivery of ammunition. It is that kind of misinformed BS that causes problems.

[IGOTDIRT4U]

Wrong - - I buy ammunition on line all the time. I KNOW for a fact that neither Ventura County, nor the City where I live has any law/ordinance that prohibits the purchase or delivery of ammunition. It is that kind of misinformed BS that causes problems.

I can't recall if it is SG or CTD, but one of them has a little icon on the ammo pages that says they do not ship to Ventura. Never understood why, as Ventura is about the same demographics and local laws as OC, but for some reason they got restricted.

[timdps]

SG won't ship .50 cal to California, or anywhere else if the purchaser has a CA address. Just went through this with SG.

tim

[CSDGuy]

There ARE several areas in CA where they cannot ship (City or County Ordinances)

I live in North San Diego County, and I ordered from them several times with no issues.

Sounds like you live in one of these places, and if so, Nobody will ship ammo to you. Bummer...
The City of Sacramento is one of those places that prohibits ammo shipments. I do NOT live in the City of Sacramento, and I can prove it. Unfortunately, they check only by zip code... and mine is shared with portions of the City of Sacramento. If anyone bothered to actually go to the county's parcel viewer (on the assessor's website) you simply enter my address and you'd easily see that I live in... UNINCORPORATED SACRAMENTO COUNTY. The County of Sacramento does not prohibit ammo from being shipped to my door.

[bohoki]

they ship to california they just wont ship to YOU

[Dick Thomas]

THAT must be it.............

[socal2310]

Very odd, Cabellas was willing to ship ammunition to us here in Ventura County, but I have seen similar B.S. on several websites. I can only assume that someone, somewhere cobbled together a list of restricted places which was then appropriated by numerous companies who didn't take the time to do their own work :mad:.

Ryan

[Legasat]

The City of Sacramento is one of those places that prohibits ammo shipments. I do NOT live in the City of Sacramento, and I can prove it. Unfortunately, they check only by zip code... and mine is shared with portions of the City of Sacramento. If anyone bothered to actually go to the county's parcel viewer (on the assessor's website) you simply enter my address and you'd easily see that I live in... UNINCORPORATED SACRAMENTO COUNTY. The County of Sacramento does not prohibit ammo from being shipped to my door.

Bummer! Got a friend that lives outside of your zip code you could have it shipped to?

[Scotty]

They won't ship to certain counties because they had a run in with the law. I know one of the county lawyers for Yolo County. Reason why SG won't ship to Yolo is because Yolo threaten them with legal actions for selling an illegal item to a minor.

[motorhead]

sg is not even owned by americans. they could care less if they are right or wrong. ctd is, well ctd. world renown for their legal ignorance and improper interpretations. read their "won't ship to ca" list sometime. it's full of errors.

[tazmanian devil dog]

Sportsmans Guide won't sell to specific California cities and counties. If you look in the center of each catalog where all the order forms are, you will see a list of counties and areas they won't ship.

Totally lame, but there it is. That is why I don't buy from them.

[BRANCHER]

Actually I know the answer to this. I have a family member in Ventura County that is a LEO there too. The proposed a BAN on internet ammo shipping and it didn’t pass but they listed you county anyways. It also occurred in a few other cities. They will not correct it and that stinks (expletive, expletive) ! Best bet DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM THEM. Plus they really are not that cheap. Natchez almost always has them beat. And they have always been really good to deal with. Also had luck great service from Midway, Cabellas, and Brownells (ok no ammo on the last one but still good service)… My top 2 are always Midway and Natchez.
Good luck!

[DDT]

The City of Sacramento is one of those places that prohibits ammo shipments. I do NOT live in the City of Sacramento, and I can prove it. Unfortunately, they check only by zip code... and mine is shared with portions of the City of Sacramento. If anyone bothered to actually go to the county's parcel viewer (on the assessor's website) you simply enter my address and you'd easily see that I live in... UNINCORPORATED SACRAMENTO COUNTY. The County of Sacramento does not prohibit ammo from being shipped to my door.

That's easily solved, just use the wrong zip code. Preferably one adjacent to your own so that it will not delay your shipment too long.

[nukechaser]

That's easily solved, just use the wrong zip code. Preferably one adjacent to your own so that it will not delay your shipment too long.

Brilliant!

(but what about the ZIP needing to match your credit card billing address?)

I'll have to remember that, tho...

[DDT]

Brilliant!

(but what about the ZIP needing to match your credit card billing address?)

I'll have to remember that, tho...

Visa gift card.

[Quemtimebo]

I live in the heart of LA and just ordered some Blackhorn 209, 209M shotshell primers, and a few dozen bullets for my smokepole. According to UPS, the orders are all on their way. Am I going to see black helicopters outside my window on delivery day? :willy_nilly:

[luchador768]

1k of 7.62x39 in route to San Diego as we speak. I will reconsider reordering from them now. I really can't stand the "no California" crap going on.

[DesertDawg]

I had a run-in with Sportsman's Guide about 3 years ago, but not on ammo sales. It was night vision equipment.
They sent me a refund for some NV gear that I ordered, and they didn't give any explanation....so I called and was told that the state of California had "banned" all NV equipment from being purchased! The SG person that I spoke with said that CA had deemed it as being "eavesdropping" equipment! Well, at the same time, Turner's had the SAME NV gear on sale at their stores, so I bought it there....and saved about $13 in shipping costs!

By the way, the explanation that I got from the SG person was that their "Legal section" had told the shipping department that CA had banned NV gear! I was fuming so much that I told the SG person on the phone to tell their legal section to pull their heads out of their "scaredy cat" rear-sides and do their homework on state and local law, instead of merely guessing!

[motorhead]

That's easily solved, just use the wrong zip code. Preferably one adjacent to your own so that it will not delay your shipment too long.

i had a customer send me a check with the wrong zip, took a month to get from chula vista to san diego. of course that was usps. ammo by ups, who knows? they could just return to shipper undeliverable. i occaisionally have people actually try to ship ups to my p.o. box.

[1GooDDaDDy]

Even though I live in "Sacramento County,” I live just 20 miles due south of the "City" of Sacramento (on the no ammo ship list), in Elk Grove.

I've received thousands of rounds of ammo from them over the months with no problem.
But, they won't ship a Ruger 10-22 "Mod kit" to me because it is considered an "Assault weapon" kit.

Go figure.

Not Over.

[CaptainGlock]

I've ordered many cases of ammo (and other items) from Sportsman's Guide. In fact, I have a couple of cases of Blazer 9mm on backorder now. (Alameda isn't one of the no-ship counties.) Obviously, SG wants to sell product so they don't block out states, counties and cities just because they feel like it. Equally obviously, SG doesn't want legal problems and some states, etc., do prohibit purchase of certain items by "mail order."

That said, SG may occasionally err too much on the side of caution. SG won't ship AR-related stuff to California, which might make some sense. But they also won't ship M1A stuff here even though the M1A rifles are legal in California. Note that I am not talking about magazines; SG won't ship a M1A scope mount to California!

Someone suggested ordering ammo from Natchez. I did that once and got raped on shipping! SG rates are much better.

[mhho]

My E-mail to customer service.

Their reply:
...Some restrictions come from the request of someone such as an Attorney General, not wanting certain items shipped into their state or specific areas.

It is our policy to follow all such requests.


Ask them if the US Attorney General requests that they do not sell to the whole US of A, are they going to follow such request or are they going to change their store policy?

Vote with your wallet and shop at CA gun friend stores.

[fairfaxjim]

What Sportsman's Guide (and Cheaper than Dirt) are saying is "we would rather spend our time selling stuff than possibly defending sales. If you want to live where the laws are too confusing to be easily understood, we are not going to ship ANYTHING than could be even REMOTELY considered illegal or prohibited, or require ANY SPECIAL BS!" Well, since CA state and municipal laws are all require special BS for most anything regarding ammo or AW's, then they are not going to bother with us here.

These guys work on volume and every minute dealing with a possible infraction - anywhere in the US with BS gun or ammo laws - cuts down on that volume. Simple dollars and sense business decision. They don't want to spend dollars defending profits of a few cents.

The easy way to deal with their refusal is to refuse to do business with them. They didn't used to be that way, and I used to buy from them on occasion. Now I don't even get their catalogs, I asked to be removed from their lists, and told them why.

[CSACANNONEER]

I've said this many times before. Although I don't agree with these types of policies. I respect a person's or company's right to run their bussiness any way they want to. If I don't agree with how they run their bussiness, I simply don't do bussiness with them. I stopped buying from CTD and SMG a long time ago. If they don't want my bussiness, I'll give it to someone who does!!!!!!!!!!!

[HowardW56]

I've said this many times before. Although I don't agree with these types of policies. I respect a person's or company's right to run their bussiness any way they want to. If I don't agree with how they run their bussiness, I simply don't do bussiness with them. I stopped buying from CTD and SMG a long time ago. If they don't want my bussiness, I'll give it to someone who does!!!!!!!!!!!


:iagree:

I toss both SMG and CTD sales flyers / catalogs in the recycle bin with the Pennysaver and all the crap that is left on my front porch...

I will deal with the online vendors that want my ammo business too...

[bwiese]

Sportsmens' Guide won't ship stuff to CA?

Calgunners won't ship cash to Sportsmens' Guide.

Problem solved: marketplace works wonders. We're getting quite a few specialty vendors that REALLY wanna do biz with CA.

[Librarian]

I've said this many times before. Although I don't agree with these types of policies. I respect a person's or company's right to run their bussiness any way they want to. If I don't agree with how they run their bussiness, I simply don't do bussiness with them. I stopped buying from CTD and SMG a long time ago. If they don't want my bussiness, I'll give it to someone who does!!!!!!!!!!!

There you go. That's the only answer that really works. Usually, the only reason for a business to change its policies is money, because that's what shareholders and management care about.

[heyjak]

I've dealt with these two companies many times and finally have had enough! "Mr. Gary Olen" whose smiling face and pure B.S. is in the front of their catalogs SOLD the company many years ago to a (I'm told) French consortium. He obviously has no integrity and gladly accepts a royalty every time his pic appears in a catalog. When I was refused an item I ordered (non-ammo) and complained, I was told that their company didn't care to "argue" with Kalifornia lawyers, so they simply refuse to sell certain items and/or ship to certain zips. They apparently make enough money elsewhere to treat us in Kalifornia like (Cheaper Than...) dirt! If you shop around, most of the items in their catalogs can be had elsewhere, often for less money!:mad:

[THT]

So ultimately, there isn't a restriction on selling ammo to California as a whole but there are county-by-county (or by city) restrictions?

[Quemtimebo]

So ultimately, there isn't a restriction on selling ammo to California as a whole but there are county-by-county (or by city) restrictions?

Not yet anyway. But hey, a lot can change over the next few weeks. I've yet to see this ban on shipping ammunition to the City of Los Angeles actually be enforced. When I didn't know any better I placed a couple of orders and the stuff came right to my door. No black helicopters, no guys with guns.

[ammunitionnow]

We do ship to Ventura, but don't to a number of other counties and cities in CA (plus Omaha, NE of all places). We're a small online company, without the resources of a Cabela's, and can't afford to defend against a state or federal AG with endless supplies of both money and lawyers. We're just trying to make an honest business, and as much as we would love to have the chance to defend the 2nd amendment, we'd rather concentrate on trying to provide products to as many customers as we reasonably can. If we get sued, shut down, or sent to jail we can't do that. When you think about it, this is the exact reason the Founding Fathers advocated an armed populace, to defend from an overzealous or too powerful government. They just never anticipated all the lawyers....

From the looks of it, if AB 962 passes, no one will be able to easily sell ammunition to CA residents online.
http://www.vcrcc.org/blog/2009/06/assembly-aims-to-ban-your-bullets-too.html

I'm hoping for your sakes it won't. Of course, you could always move to Texas ;)

[Vectrexer]

Sportsman's Guide shipped ammo to me less than a month ago. Several cases of it.

My new order is also proceeding without any problems.

Zip 94044


BTW, if anyone in SF needs some assistance with their ammo order just send me a PM.

.

[bodger]

I live in the heart of LA and just ordered some Blackhorn 209, 209M shotshell primers, and a few dozen bullets for my smokepole. According to UPS, the orders are all on their way. Am I going to see black helicopters outside my window on delivery day? :willy_nilly:

I live in LA too, right on the border with West Hollywood (no, my Glock isn't pink).
So far, no troubles with online dealers. Cabelas and one other one that I can't recall the name of ship to me, no worries. All I order is pretty run of the mill ammo like .45 ACP, 9mm and .223, not that it matters. But no smokepole loads or anything.

I'm sure Jack Weiss and his band of antis are working on getting a ban. It screws with his little ban ordnances like no ammo sold from Dec 24 through New Years. And right now, no ammo sales for the week leading up to the 4th.

[bodger]

We do ship to Ventura, but don't to a number of other counties and cities in CA (plus Omaha, NE of all places). We're a small online company, without the resources of a Cabela's, and can't afford to defend against a state or federal AG with endless supplies of both money and lawyers. We're just trying to make an honest business, and as much as we would love to have the chance to defend the 2nd amendment, we'd rather concentrate on trying to provide products to as many customers as we reasonably can. If we get sued, shut down, or sent to jail we can't do that. When you think about it, this is the exact reason the Founding Fathers advocated an armed populace, to defend from an overzealous or too powerful government. They just never anticipated all the lawyers....

From the looks of it, if AB 962 passes, no one will be able to easily sell ammunition to CA residents online.
http://www.vcrcc.org/blog/2009/06/assembly-aims-to-ban-your-bullets-too.html

I'm hoping for your sakes it won't. Of course, you could always move to Texas ;)

Looks like the occasional visit to Arizona to buy some ammo will have to occur.
Watch, a HUGE amount of ammo stores will crop up right across the state line. Just like those gritty border casinos with the .25 cent crap tables.

These lawmakers have gone insane!

[Intimid8tor]

2 cases delivered from sportsmansguide today in California.

[cranky]

they won't ship to certain counties and/or cities. They list these on their site.

[SgtWaggoner]

Yeah, Sportsmansguide will ship to all counties and cities in CA that aren't on the list ie, Marin, Napa, Ventura and Yolo counties, CA; Los Angeles, Oakland, Sacramento and San Francisco cities. Why Ventura is on the list is beyond me, I know Cabela's & Cheaper than Dirt will ship to Ventura County. Some sites even refuse any shipment to Orange County, can you believe that? The most conservative county in So Cal??!?! Boy, did they get their info wrong.

[cousinkix1953]

The City of Sacramento is one of those places that prohibits ammo shipments. I do NOT live in the City of Sacramento, and I can prove it. Unfortunately, they check only by zip code... and mine is shared with portions of the City of Sacramento. If anyone bothered to actually go to the county's parcel viewer (on the assessor's website) you simply enter my address and you'd easily see that I live in... UNINCORPORATED SACRAMENTO COUNTY. The County of Sacramento does not prohibit ammo from being shipped to my door.
Get a copy of the sheriff's beat maps. That should prove to anybody but a moron, that you don't live within in the city limits. Los Angeles city and county is one and the same jurisdiction, to people back east who don't know any better...

[cousinkix1953]

They won't ship to certain counties because they had a run in with the law. I know one of the county lawyers for Yolo County. Reason why SG won't ship to Yolo is because Yolo threaten them with legal actions for selling an illegal item to a minor.
Thats another issue. We have federal and state laws against selling ammo to minors. So they ask for a drivers license or a state ID card. An adult (me) had to sign, for some ammo that was delivered by UPS...

[cousinkix1953]

Even though I live in "Sacramento County,” I live just 20 miles due south of the "City" of Sacramento (on the no ammo ship list), in Elk Grove.

I've received thousands of rounds of ammo from them over the months with no problem.
But, they won't ship a Ruger 10-22 "Mod kit" to me because it is considered an "Assault weapon" kit.

Go figure.

Not Over.
Doesn't this sound like a class action lawsuit? Gun owners (who don't reside in cities with ammo bans) are not subjected to their laws. Either city hall stops violating other peoples' rights or they get taken to court for big money. Those city and county gun control laws are in direct conflict with the statewide pre-emption law, which has been on the books since 1969. This why a liberal San Francisco judge declared Proposition H illegal; because he is no pistol packing NRA member...

[cousinkix1953]

I've ordered many cases of ammo (and other items) from Sportsman's Guide. In fact, I have a couple of cases of Blazer 9mm on backorder now. (Alameda isn't one of the no-ship counties.) Obviously, SG wants to sell product so they don't block out states, counties and cities just because they feel like it. Equally obviously, SG doesn't want legal problems and some states, etc., do prohibit purchase of certain items by "mail order."

That said, SG may occasionally err too much on the side of caution. SG won't ship AR-related stuff to California, which might make some sense. But they also won't ship M1A stuff here even though the M1A rifles are legal in California. Note that I am not talking about magazines; SG won't ship a M1A scope mount to California!

Someone suggested ordering ammo from Natchez. I did that once and got raped on shipping! SG rates are much better.
Are these idiots blind too? One visit to the Springfield Armory website and you can see pictures of their Kommiefornia legal M-1 A rifles with a ten round magazine. Says so right in the advertising! What kind of fool would question the legality of a certain firearm, if the manufacturer still ships them by the cases?

[cousinkix1953]

:iagree:

I toss both SMG and CTD sales flyers / catalogs in the recycle bin with the Pennysaver and all the crap that is left on my front porch...

I will deal with the online vendors that want my ammo business too...
Or you could mark them return to sender and just dump those ads in a blue mail box. It will be sorted and sent back at their expense. Why not include some nasty comments inside about their bigoted anti-Kommiefornia attude? Ask why they even bother to ship those worthless catalogs to such an anti-gun state?

[cousinkix1953]

Sportsmens' Guide won't ship stuff to CA?

Calgunners won't ship cash to Sportsmens' Guide.

Problem solved: marketplace works wonders. We're getting quite a few specialty vendors that REALLY wanna do biz with CA.
We have our sponsors; but we also need a list of these anti-California gun related businesses, so we can boycott them too...

[cousinkix1953]

I've dealt with these two companies many times and finally have had enough! "Mr. Gary Olen" whose smiling face and pure B.S. is in the front of their catalogs SOLD the company many years ago to a (I'm told) French consortium. He obviously has no integrity and gladly accepts a royalty every time his pic appears in a catalog. When I was refused an item I ordered (non-ammo) and complained, I was told that their company didn't care to "argue" with Kalifornia lawyers, so they simply refuse to sell certain items and/or ship to certain zips. They apparently make enough money elsewhere to treat us in Kalifornia like (Cheaper Than...) dirt! If you shop around, most of the items in their catalogs can be had elsewhere, often for less money!:mad:
I've got another idea for a gun law! Only citizens of the United States should be permitted to own gun stores and sell firearms and ammunition for a living. That takes care of these two mail order businessses if you guys are right about foreigners owning SG and CTD...

[Charliegone]

They wouldn't send me ar-15 handguards and sights.. HANDGUARDS AND SIGHTS! I will never deal with a business that's got it's head so far up it's own a** that it considers sights and handguards "assault weapons."

[cousinkix1953]

They wouldn't send me ar-15 handguards and sights.. HANDGUARDS AND SIGHTS! I will never deal with a business that's got it's head so far up it's own a** that it considers sights and handguards "assault weapons."
Doesn't this sound like it might be worse than EBAY?

[bodger]

Doesn't this sound like it might be worse than EBAY?

YES! If you don't mention "AR-15" and the like on E-Bay, you can at least sell parts and accessories that fit Weaver and Pic and things like that. And opticals and everything else.

E-Bay is bad, but at least it's possible. The anti- CA thing is out of hand with these places.

[fairfaxjim]

They wouldn't send me ar-15 handguards and sights.. HANDGUARDS AND SIGHTS! I will never deal with a business that's got it's head so far up it's own a** that it considers sights and handguards "assault weapons."

The reality is that you can thank your wonderful CA legislature for a set of gun laws that nobody wants to EVEN TRY TO UNDERSTAND OR DEAL WITH for situations like these.

Another reality is that SG and CTD has made a business decision - easier, and in their minds, cheaper, to simply deny sales of ANYTHING that has, maybe, or could possibly be linked to anything that is mentioned as illegal in any law in CA. A lot of the subset of customers who want those denied items will ***** about it, but, even most of them will continue to order the stuff they will ship to CA, and the rest of the CA customers couldn't care less about any stink'n assault weapon parts, or (insert your pet peeve item from SG here) _________________. In the end, the amount of business they lose is miniscule, and the costs they have associated with any legal questions is zero.

Just think how long SG's legal department would be able to hold on to these crazy rules if the Bean Counter department suddenly told them that "sales to CA are down 90%!" We wouldn't have a new "SG or CTD won't ship to me" thread every week. As long as people keep buying from them, that conversation won't happen, and we will have a new thread like this every week.

Vote with your wallet - don't buy these guys stuff. Support the vendors here on calguns, and buy local whenever you can! Oh yeah, screw WallyWorld too! (At least if you want your children to have a chance at a job with real pay and benefits.)

[cousinkix1953]

YES! If you don't mention "AR-15" and the like on E-Bay, you can at least sell parts and accessories that fit Weaver and Pic and things like that. And opticals and everything else.

E-Bay is bad, but at least it's possible. The anti- CA thing is out of hand with these places.
They can't discriminate against minorities or gays any more; so they do the same redneck things to people in Kommiefornia. Gun owners (who don't live in cities with ammo bans) are getting f---- over by those ordinances. These morons won't ship ammo to a member in Elk Grove; because it's against the law in Sacramento which is miles away. This sounds like a class action lawsuit to me. It seems to me, that several people have reported getting screwed by these city and county ordinances.

I'm waiting for a Los Angeles county resident to get shafted by the city's sub-compact handgun ban even though he does not live there either...

[SgtWaggoner]

Very odd, Cabellas was willing to ship ammunition to us here in Ventura County, but I have seen similar B.S. on several websites. I can only assume that someone, somewhere cobbled together a list of restricted places which was then appropriated by numerous companies who didn't take the time to do their own work :mad:.

Ryan

I worked with Judge Alex "K" for 18 1/2 years. He's currently Chief Judge...We'd always rap about guns...And he is a true believer and supporter of the 2nd amendment, being born in a country, Romania, where freedom did not exist...:)

[SgtWaggoner]

they won't ship to certain counties and/or cities. They list these on their site.

It sort of p'd me off too, as I live in a non-restrictive city, I was trying to order by brother some ammo for his birthday from Sportsmansguide, he happens to live in Ventura County, not having read their disclaimer, they took the order...2 days later I get an e-mail that the order was cancelled. Reason: RESTRICTED. Sheez, I was scared that stopped shipping to CA altogether, but then I read their disclaimer. I sent an e-mail back, Can you just send the ammo to my house and keep the order...They wouldn't do it, said I had to go back and re-order again, with my home address...When I tried this, the ammo was sold out, No backorder available...Really p'd me off. So I went to Cabela's and they shipped it right to him...for a higher price of course.

But this Ventura County thing is wrong. I think someone mis-read the law...
UPS and all the shippers will deliver it to Ventura County, but they WILL NOT TO ANYWHERE IN LA CITY, including the Valley From Chatsworth to North Hollywood...

[Noel]

This is a email from Chris Wilson at Sportsman's Guide... It is not there choice who they can ship to or not!

Dear Noel,
Thank you for your email.
Our company ships ammunition to California still but we do not send it to the following areas of Marin, Napa, Ventura and Yolo counties, CA; Los Angeles, Oakland, Sacramento and San Francisco, CA. If you have any questions, please contact us.



Thanks for shopping the Guide!
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[bodger]

It's up to the Sheriff of the county? Then why doesn't Chris Wilson say that in his e-mail?

I just got 500 rounds of ammunition sent to me from an Ohio vendor via UPS delivery, to Los Angeles 90046 zip code.

How the hell can Sheriff Baca tell Sportsman's Guide that they can't ship to LA County? There is no law against it, nor does Baca have the authority to regulate such transactions.

I know there are other vendors that won't ship here, but only because they are spooked by the City of Los Angeles ammo laws which require fingerprinting, etc.

But there is currently no law that I know of that prohibits mail order ammunition sales and delivery in either LA City or County.

If Sportsman's Guide isn't shipping to certain counties in CA, it's only because they got spooked by FUD.

[Ed_in_Sac]

As a resident of Sacred Tomato it is not legal to purchase ammo mail order (read internet). What surprises me is that people who complain about such situations never bother to call their legislators, demonstrate, or work to have pro gun persons elected. I do!

[Noel]

It's up to the Sheriff of the county? Then why doesn't Chris Wilson say that in his e-mail?

I just got 500 rounds of ammunition sent to me from an Ohio vendor via UPS delivery, to Los Angeles 90046 zip code.

How the hell can Sheriff Baca tell Sportsman's Guide that they can't ship to LA County? There is no law against it, nor does Baca have the authority to regulate such transactions.

I know there are other vendors that won't ship here, but only because they are spooked by the City of Los Angeles ammo laws which require fingerprinting, etc.

But there is currently no law that I know of that prohibits mail order ammunition sales and delivery in either LA City or County.

If Sportsman's Guide isn't shipping to certain counties in CA, it's only because they got spooked by FUD.


Sorry! That was an assumption of mine… I could be all wrong here!

[curtisfong]

[UPS] WILL NOT TO ANYWHERE IN LA CITY, including the Valley From Chatsworth to North Hollywood...

As far as I know, there are no such restrictions *at UPS*. I've never had a problem shipping any kind of ammunition via UPS to/from anywhere in CA. If there is a policy, it is from the *seller*, not UPS, AFAIK.

[bodger]

As far as I know, there are no such restrictions *at UPS*. I've never had a problem shipping any kind of ammunition via UPS to/from anywhere in CA. If there is a policy, it is from the *seller*, not UPS, AFAIK.

You are correct. UPS does ship ammo. I just got an 18lb package from them full of ammo and marked as such (as required).

In fact, you can log onto their main web site and see the requirements for shipping ammunition.

I was told by my delivery driver that ammo is one of the most likely items to experience UPS employee pilfering when in transit.
Cigarettes is another.

[SimpleCountryActuary]

You are correct. UPS does ship ammo. I just got an 18lb package from them full of ammo and marked as such (as required).

In fact, you can log onto their main web site and see the requirements for shipping ammunition.

I was told by my delivery driver that ammo is one of the most likely items to experience UPS employee pilfering when in transit.
Cigarettes is another.

I just tell the delivery guy that I am building a wall, brick by brick (so to speak).:rolleyes:

[motorhead]

vendiors determine restricted locations by zip code. not an accurate legal boundry but that's how it is. sg is famous for erring on the side of "safety". after all they're owned by the french.
ups ships ammo but usually only from their hubs and even then not always willingly.
sg has good ammo deals at times, BUT beware of things not in stock. if backorder goes beyond the sale period they do not always honor the ordered price.

[clockwork]

Me too... in fact my latest shipment was just received yesterday.

That's weird, I've ordered ammo from them several times before.

[leitung]

This sounds like a business idea..
Run a business that gives people a non-Sacramento address to ship mail order ammo too, and charge a reasonable fee for the service.

The laws are still stupid and should be repealed however.

[bodger]

This sounds like a business idea..
Run a business that gives people a non-Sacramento address to ship mail order ammo too, and charge a reasonable fee for the service.

The laws are still stupid and should be repealed however.

If Sacto is like Los Angeles, some fascist local governmento would soon gigure out a way to bust people for it anyway and fill their little anti-gun coffers with fines and make prosecution examples out of evreryone in the bargain.

There are hardly any gun shops left in LA proper. It's no joke.

[HowardW56]

This sounds like a business idea..
Run a business that gives people a non-Sacramento address to ship mail order ammo too, and charge a reasonable fee for the service.

The laws are still stupid and should be repealed however.

Sounds like a UPS store or Mail Boxes Etc.