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ERdept
06-04-2009, 3:42 AM
I just saw this vid on a posters tag line. In LA, CA., where I live, there has always been potential for rioting. The video was about confiscations of guns in Katrina......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-taU9d26wT4

Plus we have a great potential for a huge quake.

In both scenarios the law will be overwhelmed. In both scenarios, predatory people will seek to take things from others.


I saw this Katrina vid in which the LEO on camera says that "no one will have guns" and a few stories of gun confiscations by LEO's from what really appear to be stand up citizens for no reason.

This scares me because I already lost a job and lived through the R. King riots. I managed a bike business in Long Beach called Jones Bicycles.

In those times, as in all times, but especially those times, we as citizens cannot expect LE to be there to take care of you. They just can't cause there's too few of them.

Especially at those times, I want to be able to protect my family but fear confiscation of my guns, for really no good reason.

Seems citizens are picked on because they are visable and easy targets. They comply with the law.

What will you do to me in my time of need with my guns?

I will have to drive to the emergency room and maybe even take care of you (Mr. Officer) and need to live to come home and take care of family. I will carry a gun if I have to drive through bad areas. And I have worked at USC, UCLA Harbor. I know these neighborhoods. This is what it says on the back of my badge.....

http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww197/ERdept/0604090444.jpg


I;d rather stay home, but gotta do my job. Even if I wasn't in emergency services, I still want my guns to protect my family. W/O them, I'm defenseless.




I feel that if a LEO wanted to take my guns after a disaster, or during rioting, that he is essentially knows that he is subjecting me and my family to harm with knowing intention. Sorry if my post is not a cohesive as I'm a little angry about things like this. I work with LEO's almost weekly at the ER. I take care of you w/o having to register, we take care of the jail and court detainees, and suspects brought in. I ask if you want coffee and give you sandwiches while you wait for the doc to clear either you or the suspect.

I'd sure feel a sense of betrayal from not only LEO but from the govt, be that local, county or state and fed and the laws if my guns were forced from me in a time of need.

Midian
06-04-2009, 5:21 AM
I have a feeling that if forcible gun confiscation were to occur again, people will start getting shot.

ERdept
06-04-2009, 5:31 AM
I have a feeling that if forcible gun confiscation were to occur again, people will start getting shot.


Which people, the confiscator or confiscatee? If post huge quake scenario, where everyone is camping, and I'm at my most vulneralbe, if my guns were taken away, I and family have just been sentenced be victims of anyone.

You're basically trying to kill me by taking away my gun, by allowing me to be easy prey.

I don't appreciate people who want to put me in a position of jeopardy.

Ron-Solo
06-04-2009, 7:00 AM
We didn't take away people's guns during the L.A. Riots, and I for one was glad to see honest people protecting what was theirs and adequately equipped to protect themselves.

You have yourself all worked up over something that someone thinks might happen. There were a LOT of screwups during Katrina in a LOT of areas. Hopefully, something was learned from it.

As a squad leader during the Rodney King riots, I made sure anyone associated with EMS or fire had safe passage thru my areas, even providing escorts when necessary. I never one asked them if they were armed and never saw any firearms. Even if I did, there is NO WAY they would have been taken.

Roving mobs of knuckleheads looking for trouble, that's another story......

Good Guys: LEO, Fire, Military, EMS, Medical, + average law abiding citizens from ALL walks of life

Bad Guys: Thugs, gangsters, rioters, looters, predators, criminals, etc.

and by the way....thanks for what you do for everyone, every day.

ERdept
06-04-2009, 2:43 PM
Thank you for your response. You're right I'm getting worked up over a possibility, and idea.

Jonathan Doe
06-04-2009, 2:48 PM
I arrested a looter during the riot in 1992 and he had a loaded revolver in his back pocket. I found out after I chased him down and tackled him. I am glad that he didn't try pull out the gun or to shoot me, or he would be a dead man.

socalsheepdog
06-04-2009, 3:31 PM
Look closely at the agency patch at 1:19. Those cops are CHP from our home state taking part in a mutual aid of 2a and 4a trampling.

Digital_Boy
06-04-2009, 3:40 PM
I believe that a bill was passed as a direct consequence of the actions of the local, state and federal personnel disarming the law abiding citizens prohibiting ANY agency from doing so again in the event of a future calamity.

I don't have the bill number memorized, but I recall that it passed with a sizable majority through the House and Senate and was signed by GWB into federal law.

Midian
06-04-2009, 3:47 PM
Which people, the confiscator or confiscatee?

Oh both I'd wager.

SVT-40
06-04-2009, 4:37 PM
Katrina was a unique situation. People were given prior warning and most left prior to the storm. This left actually very few folks behind. These folks who stayed were some of the ones who had their firearms illegally confiscated.

In a So Cal earthquake scenario, no one be given prior warning thus no one would be leaving early. This would lead to 10 million folks still present her in La County.

Believe me the LEO's will be far to busy dealing with the thugs and rescues to worry about the legal gun owners.

This also applies to any riot situation. The cops will be just to busy.

My advice lay low keep a low profile and have what firearms you need where you will need them BEFORE any of these situations.

Also have a locking box in your vehicle to keep your gun in. Also keep you vehicle in tip top shape and with no vehicle code equipment violations visible.

NO PC equals NOSTOP.

By the way most LEO's will appreciate a business like approach to firearms possession and use during any SHTF situation. If you need to use it, do so. If not don't advertise you have one by waving it around.

Another hint .22 LR are a great caliber. Thugs shot in the lower extremities tend to leave your area quickly without falling in a heap. A pile of bodies in front of your store is a bad thing!!

Digital_Boy
06-05-2009, 9:44 AM
I was partially correct: HR 5013 - The Disaster Recovery Personal Protection act was passed in the 109th Congress in 05-06 by a 322-99 majority, with 11 abstentions, but it never made it to the Senate.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-5013

So, apparently Congress and the Senate didn't take the lessons of Katrina to heart and could try it again.

ltspongebob
06-09-2009, 12:44 PM
I was partially correct: HR 5013 - The Disaster Recovery Personal Protection act was passed in the 109th Congress in 05-06 by a 322-99 majority, with 11 abstentions, but it never made it to the Senate.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h109-5013

So, apparently Congress and the Senate didn't take the lessons of Katrina to heart and could try it again.

Also partially correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster_Recovery_Personal_Protection_Act_of_2006

It is law.

Sponge

Ron-Solo
06-09-2009, 2:25 PM
Thanks for the update. It's good to know in case something happens in LA and His Royal Highness, King Anthony Villaraigosa tries something like that. we can just tell him to pound sand.

maschronic
06-09-2009, 2:35 PM
i hope nothing happens in so cal!! if it does, i will be ready!!

Ron-Solo
06-09-2009, 2:38 PM
With SoCal it is not IF, but WHEN.

Our 4 seasons: Fires, Floods, Riots, & Earthquakes

ERdept
06-11-2009, 9:42 AM
With SoCal it is not IF, but WHEN.

Our 4 seasons: Fires, Floods, Riots, & Earthquakes

Or, all of them in one, if you consider a big quake will trigger the rest.

Ron-Solo
06-11-2009, 10:47 AM
Or, all of them in one, if you consider a big quake will trigger the rest.

Ain't that the truth. The definition of 'SHTF'

Digital_Boy
06-11-2009, 11:12 AM
Also partially correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disaster_Recovery_Personal_Protection_Act_of_2006

It is law.

Sponge

Sponge,

Very happy to be proven wrong in this case. :D