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kalguns
06-01-2009, 10:27 AM
If money was no object would you rather have a .338 or .416?
Why?

buffybuster
06-01-2009, 10:42 AM
If money was no object would you rather have a .338 or .416?
Why?

To do/hunt what?

If money is not object get both.

Timberwolf
06-01-2009, 10:47 AM
.338 & 416 what?

If its 338 Lapua Mag vs 416 Barrett I'd opt for the 338 Lapua Mag.

sergeantrex
06-01-2009, 11:33 AM
I hear that .416 is proprietary Barrett has their own recipe for powder they won't share. You have to buy their ammo.:mad: Not sure thats just what I heard.

brando
06-01-2009, 12:10 PM
.338LM is a well proven round with lots and lots of components available for support. .416 Barrett is far too young, far less supported and honestly hasn't been proven in long range circles.

CSACANNONEER
06-01-2009, 12:15 PM
.338LM is a well proven round with lots and lots of components available for support. .416 Barrett is far too young, far less supported and honestly hasn't been proven in long range circles.


Very well said!

buffybuster
06-01-2009, 2:02 PM
Is that the .338 and .416 the OP was referring to?

I wasn't sure if the OP was talking about the

.338WinMag, .338Dakota, .338Edge or .338Lapua
.416Rigby, .416RemMag, .416Taylor, .416Hoffman, or .416Barrett

If it is between the .338Lapua and .416Barrett; the .338Lapua, as stated, is a more developed platform with greater component availabilty and rifle platforms to choose from. The .416Barrett is still proprietory with custom bullets and significantly greater cost.

C.G.
06-01-2009, 2:08 PM
Few years back I couldn't decide between a .338 LM and .408 Chey-Tac (which I think is a better option than .416 Barrett) and ended up with a .338LM. There are more bullet choices and it is cheaper to reload for .338LM; and as has been mentioned, it is a proven round used by militaries around the world. Plus, it is not easy to find a range to realize the .338 LM potential and it would be even more difficult for the .416.
If I had lots of money than I might opt for .375/408 or even .408 Chey-Tac instead of the .416.

brando
06-01-2009, 2:27 PM
If you wanted to be able to smack steel at 2500 yards, the best way to go is to call Bobby Lawton in MT and have him build you a .375/408. Again, it's more of an investment than a .338LM, but it's the current ballistic champ. Of course, it would all depend on how reasonable it is for you to get to shoot that far. That's why for most folks I say .338LM is the way to go.

jammer2k
06-01-2009, 2:34 PM
As stated before, assuming Lapua v. Barrett I would say .338 due to availablity and proven capabilities.

The only problem is that it takes more than 2 .338 Lapua rounds to bring down your average Mall Ninja :43:

(Just in case you don't get the reference) (http://lonelymachines.org/mall-ninjas/)

Timberwolf
06-01-2009, 2:45 PM
If the OP is willing to supply me with suitable rifles and ammo in the referenced cartridges (I'm assuming 338LM and 416 Barrett) I will be more than happy to take the next several months to completely test and evaluate both and render an unbiased opinion. :thumbsup:

brando
06-01-2009, 3:14 PM
The only problem is that it takes more than 2 .338 Lapua rounds to bring down your average Mall Ninja :43:

That's because he has two standalone Level IV plates ducktaped to his chest ;)

X-NewYawker
06-01-2009, 3:47 PM
338 LP Desert Tactical SRS:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/L1000916.jpg

338 Barrett 98 Bravo

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/Picture883.jpg

416 Barrett

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/Lou-n-Barret.jpg

Barrett 416 --unwieldy. M-98B may be the shirt in 338, but I LOVE the DTA SRS

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/_MG_4586.jpg

grahlaika
06-01-2009, 7:23 PM
Frankly neither. I'd get a .375 Cheytac instead of either one of those two calibers to complement the .308 and 7WSM I'm getting. That should cover me nicely up to 2500 yards.

dexter9659
06-01-2009, 7:38 PM
.416 Ribgy all the way because it delivers a 400gr bullet at 2500 ft/sec for 5600 ft/lb. Plus it is a classic!

X-NewYawker
06-01-2009, 8:14 PM
416 Weatherby and 338 win mag?

sb_pete
06-02-2009, 12:43 AM
That's because he has two standalone Level IV plates ducktaped to his chest ;)

And that's on top of the one in the plate carrier!:rolleyes:

338 LP Desert Tactical SRS:

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p54/Fasanoland/L1000916.jpg

+1, If I had the cash, I would want one of these bad boys. I really have no idea where I would even go to stretch out the legs on a .338LM never mind one of the .408, .416, or .375/408 ultra long range bad boys. Besides, they are not very practical rifles. .338LM rifles, while heavier than rem short actions, can still be made into a rifle I would consider rucking out into the boonies to make youtube videos of blasting rocks or some other such silliness with :p.
Also, lots of components and load data out there for .338LM

rksimple
06-02-2009, 7:55 AM
If money is no object, I concur with Brando. 375/408 CT.

If you really want to be able to hit something at distance, which involves a lot of practice, get the 338 LM. Unless again, money is no object.

JTROKS
06-02-2009, 8:20 AM
Back when I was stationed in Utah it was so easy to practice long range shooting in BLM land. Me and a friend both owned 270 Winnies and would try to hit things as far as 1500 yards. We both learned we needed to go to a magnum. Those were the days I've dream about owning a 338 LM, but would settle for a 338 RUM because of funds. Now I'm back in CA and I'm quite happy with my ARs and 308s. I still have my 270 Winnie for hunting.

If money is no object get both. Don't be like someone I know, spending all the cash on the rifle and tacticessories, and not even 1/10 of the cost in optics.

skkeeter
06-02-2009, 8:28 AM
I would say .338 lapua for sure:thumbsup: Now, if money is no object, go .408 cheytac. I priced a reload for .408 around $11:eek: Also figure a good .408 rifle will cost in the vicinity of 10K. Last time I had my .338 Lapua out in the fresh air, I was able to hit a 6"x8" piece of cinder block at 800 yards with a 12 mph cross wind. The .338 is really accurate in the hands of an average shooter.

rksimple
06-02-2009, 8:37 AM
Back when I was stationed in Utah it was so easy to practice long range shooting in BLM land. Me and a friend both owned 270 Winnies and would try to hit things as far as 1500 yards. We both learned we needed to go to a magnum. Those were the days I've dream about owning a 338 LM, but would settle for a 338 RUM because of funds. Now I'm back in CA and I'm quite happy with my ARs and 308s. I still have my 270 Winnie for hunting.




270's aren't really the best for trying 1500, let alone even 1k. You make a good point of the 338 RUM however. There are a lot of calibers out there (magnum and non-magnum) that can take you to 15-1600. 280/280 AI, 7wsm/rsaum, etc. Provided there's nothing breathing on the receiving end, some of those can outperform the 338LM for punching paper.

BigBamBoo
06-02-2009, 8:42 AM
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brando
06-02-2009, 9:34 AM
.416 Ribgy all the way because it delivers a 400gr bullet at 2500 ft/sec for 5600 ft/lb. Plus it is a classic!

Sure, it's a classic, but a .408 Cheytac is 419gr @ 2900 fps...and it's cool ;)

For what it's worth, the reason for the .375/408 (aka .375 Cheytac, though Cheytac had nothing to do with it's development) being a superior round is the balance of a high BC bullet (assuming you're using the Jamison/Cheytac (was LRBT/Hooker) with higher velocity, so it stays supersonic longer than the .408CT. The latter tends to hit the limit around 2300 yards at best while the the .375/408 can stay supersonic to about 2800 yards.

But the big difference between these and the .338LM is that the bullets tend to cost about $2.25ea, whereas you can get 300gr Scenars for MUCH less. Getting cheaper bullets for the .408 and .375/408 is possible, but then you lose performance at distance.

shooting4life
06-02-2009, 11:15 AM
Get the 416 if you will let me shoot it; if not, then get the 338 Lapua or Norma Mag

sb_pete
06-02-2009, 11:35 PM
My DTA SRS.....still waiting for my scope:

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9546/dsc037741024x768.jpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc037741024x768.jpg)

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6885/dsc037751024x768.jpg (http://img26.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc037751024x768.jpg)

Argh, Dang you Stan. You always make me envious :mad:

Seriously though, nice toy bro!