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rjk
05-30-2009, 9:38 PM
I bought an Winchester M1 Carbine 20+ years ago and have shot it from time to time. I've become more interested lately in researching the rifles I have and am wondering the date of manufacturer of this rifle. I've done a little research and here is the sitaution as I see it.

Winchester was assigned a total of 949,499 serial numbers in six separate blocks, of which 818,059 rifles were produced. This rifle (1233350) is about 28.5% of the way through the total 818,059 rifles produced. or late in the first third of the total produced. Where does that put the year?

Here are some pictures if that helps.

24508

24509

24510

24511

24512

elSquid
05-30-2009, 10:32 PM
Winchester was assigned a total of 949,499 serial numbers in six separate blocks, of which 818,059 rifles were produced. This rifle (1233350) is about 28.5% of the way through the total 818,059 rifles produced. or late in the first third of the total produced. Where does that put the year?


My copy of "The M1 Carbine Owner's Guide (http://www.amazon.com/M1-carbine-owners-guide/dp/1888722096)" says that the serial range 1207275-1245020 is Sept, 1943.

HTH,

-- Michael

rjk
05-30-2009, 10:36 PM
Thanks for the info, I appreciate it.

Crusader
05-30-2009, 10:45 PM
Wow, the push button safety but the ramp rear sights... the best of both worlds. Very nice.

rjk
05-31-2009, 8:30 PM
Still learning about M1s, what is the significance of "the push button safety but the ramp rear sights" comment immediately above? Is that unusual for the carbine?

Crusader
05-31-2009, 8:46 PM
When the M1 Carbines were refinished after WW2, the outdated/inadequate features were updated. One of those features was the flip sights (100 and 300 yards, I believe?) to the ramp sights you see on your rifle. The new sights were more versatile and adjustable for windage.

One of the other features was to change from the push button safety to the lever switch safety. It was found that many soldiers accidentally dropped the magazines out of the rifles by mistake when they reached for the safety. So the lever switch was added to get rid of that error.

I don't think I've ever seen an M1 Carbine with ramp sights but the push button safety. Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough or paid attention though.

Augi
05-31-2009, 8:48 PM
Typically pushbutton safeties were replaced with flip types at overhaul when adjustable rear sights and bayonet lug front bands were installed.

You also have the older, 15rd mag catch. 30rd mag catches have a tab on the left side to engage the bump on the side of the mag.

Does the trigger housing have a BE-B or similar stamped on it? If so, it is some subcontractor for IBM.

EDIT: Some rifles coming out of Germany by way of the CMP lately have a good mix of old and new features. Lots of Type I and II bands and push safeties. No flip sights though.

rjk
06-06-2009, 12:12 PM
No, no markings on the trigger housing that I can decern.