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jdta00
05-29-2009, 9:13 PM
Noob buyer question alert!!!

My name is John, and I'm a recent transplant to California (Well... a few years recent...). For various reasons, including some prodding (and an offer to subsidize most of the purchase price) by my father, I've decided it's time to own a gun again. So I did my research, settled on a cartridge (.40 S&W), chose a gun (Glock 23), read Yelp to find a reputable dealer in my area (Jackson Arms), then sorted my glove box and threw away all the expired registrations, only keeping the current one; and I was all set to go down and get things rolling tomorrow until I hit a possible snag:

When I first moved to Cali, I bounced between a number of hotels and short-term apartments before I found a good, long-term, place. I knew this was going to happen so rather than forward my mail a half-dozen times in the first year, or go without it, I got a PO box. Said post office is near every job I've had and I've been so used to getting my mail there that I've not given it a second thought until now. See, I get all my mail at the PO box... that address is on everything... including my drivers' license and registration.

So, is that going to be a problem? Do I need to change my address with the DMV and wait until they send me a new license and registration? Some of the forms I've seen online are peppered with "no PO boxes" and such. But most have space for two addresses, a residential and a mailing.

In case it matters, I AM a California resident for tuition, tax, and employment purposes... everything... and I can prove it (tax returns, W-forms)... It's just that all of that goes to the PO box, except my paycheck/stub which goes to my mail slot at the office.

Thanks!

DanTheMan
05-29-2009, 11:55 PM
I hit a snag upon a recent handgun purchase after a few moves myself. Turner's informed me that my CDL must match my "other" proof (ie.. utility bill/registration, etc) and must match my residence.

I don't know for sure but I don't think you can have a "residence" at a PO Box.

What I ended up doing was making an appt at the DMV for a "duplicate" DL (with my residence address) and waiting 4 more weeks.

I wonder if a homeless person can buy a handgun?

HondaMasterTech
05-30-2009, 7:15 AM
You can get a change of address card from DMV. It is a brown paper card the size of you DL. A fishing licence will work if yo dont have a utility bill. Addresses need to match and must be YOUR address.

jdta00
05-30-2009, 9:59 AM
Okay... so it sounds like Im out of luck unless I change everything around with the DMV and start getting my mail at home instead of the post office.

Well... thanks for saving me the trip at least.

Greg-Dawg
05-30-2009, 10:01 AM
Contact Jackson Arms and find out what they say.

jdta00
05-30-2009, 6:01 PM
Well... It was a nice day out today and I figured I wouldn't mind a drive and they're only a few miles out of town; so I took Greg-Dawg's advice and popped down to Jackson Arms anyway. They were busy but nice enough to take a few minutes to answer my question. The lady told me:

1) Having my PO box on my registration is a problem. No sale. But I only have to get it changed on the registration, not everywhere.

2) Said registration expires at the end of june anyway (*facepalm*). So I can update my address as part of my normal renewal and not have to jump through any obnoxious extra steps involving lines at the DMV.

So, basically I have to wait four extra weeks before I'm eligible to buy. Dad won't be happy at all about the situation; but as a practical matter, the wait isn't too big of a deal for me.

Of course, on principle I'm kind of annoyed at the situation. It's kind of obnoxious that as a law-abiding and tax-paying California resident; I can't buy a legal firearm because some bureaucrat in Sacramento has his panties in a wad over where I get my mail.

This sort of issue is probably pretty far down on their list. But I went ahead and used the link in that other thread to sign up for the first-year-free NRA membership.

CaliforniaLiberal
05-30-2009, 6:23 PM
It's always up to the dealer in the end. Some of them have interesting interpretations of the laws. The bottom line is whatever the dealer says they require is what is required.

CL

pat038536
05-30-2009, 6:56 PM
It's always up to the dealer in the end. Some of them have interesting interpretations of the laws. The bottom line is whatever the dealer says they require is what is required.

CL



I also have a question of PO Boxes.. What if you live on a boat?

CaliforniaLiberal
05-30-2009, 7:08 PM
People have done creative things to establish a legal mailing address. Move in with a friend or relative that you live part time with.

CL

Matt@EntrepriseArms
05-30-2009, 7:26 PM
I also have a question of PO Boxes.. What if you live on a boat?

I've worked with people on this issue (not a boat per se) several times. One thing that you can use is a lease agreement, but it must be dated and notarized prior to your attempted purchase.

If you live on a boat, do you lease a berth? If so, that is a lease agreement, right?

For those (rare) people that I've encountered that live off their parents and have no rent, ulitities, or a car registered in their name, I suggested that they get the basic lifeline phone service (landline), and consider that their "fee" in order to be able to buy guns.

Sgt Raven
05-30-2009, 9:58 PM
Well... It was a nice day out today and I figured I wouldn't mind a drive and they're only a few miles out of town; so I took Greg-Dawg's advice and popped down to Jackson Arms anyway. They were busy but nice enough to take a few minutes to answer my question. The lady told me:

1) Having my PO box on my registration is a problem. No sale. But I only have to get it changed on the registration, not everywhere.
2) Said registration expires at the end of june anyway (*facepalm*). So I can update my address as part of my normal renewal and not have to jump through any obnoxious extra steps involving lines at the DMV.
So, basically I have to wait four extra weeks before I'm eligible to buy. Dad won't be happy at all about the situation; but as a practical matter, the wait isn't too big of a deal for me.

Of course, on principle I'm kind of annoyed at the situation. It's kind of obnoxious that as a law-abiding and tax-paying California resident; I can't buy a legal firearm because some bureaucrat in Sacramento has his panties in a wad over where I get my mail.

This sort of issue is probably pretty far down on their list. But I went ahead and used the link in that other thread to sign up for the first-year-free NRA membership.

You can renew your car tags now, you don't have to wait till they expire.

kaboom
05-31-2009, 2:24 AM
This brings up an interesting question regarding my first residence after moving back to CA.
I lived for 2 years in a house in Boulder Creek that was a 20 minute drive up a dirt road off highway 9. There was no mail delivery and a PO box was your only choice to receive mail. Does this mean my second amendment rights would be denied because the USPS can't be bothered to drive to the house?
If that is the case, it stinks to high heaven. Not that I am surprised, just angered.

Suvorov
05-31-2009, 7:13 AM
And here you are folks, the ghosts of Jim Crow Laws once again rearing their ugly head in the Peoples Socialist Paradise. Unless you have the money and standing to come to Kalifornia and buy a house or sign a long term lease, you do not have enough documentation to purchase a handgun. Thus a college student to moves to the PRK for school and moves in and out of dorms, apartments, fraternities, etc will not be able to purchase a gun to defend themselves when they are being stalked by some crazy (if, that is they still alive after the 10 day waiting period).

bodger
05-31-2009, 11:51 AM
It's easy. Make it as difficult, time consuming, and expensive as possible to buy firearms (and ammo) and people will stop trying to do it, right?

PRK gun laws are written to create FUD and discourage gun ownership.

Just my two cent opinion.

Matt@EntrepriseArms
05-31-2009, 3:27 PM
And here you are folks, the ghosts of Jim Crow Laws once again rearing their ugly head in the Peoples Socialist Paradise. Unless you have the money and standing to come to Kalifornia and buy a house or sign a long term lease, you do not have enough documentation to purchase a handgun. Thus a college student to moves to the PRK for school and moves in and out of dorms, apartments, fraternities, etc will not be able to purchase a gun to defend themselves when they are being stalked by some crazy (if, that is they still alive after the 10 day waiting period).

Sure they could. All they have to do is sign up for internet service, cable, or Directv and they will have their proof of residency.

KylaGWolf
05-31-2009, 7:59 PM
now see the problem I have is the ONLY thing in my name with my address is my DL and my handicap plaquard. Our lease is month to month so no paperwork an I don't have any utility bills. but i did buy a gun in April. I think the only reason I managed it is handicap plaquard is not the same thing as vehicle registration or DL.

kaboom
06-01-2009, 2:46 AM
Sure they could. All they have to do is sign up for internet service, cable, or Directv and they will have their proof of residency.

And what about people who live in homes not eligible for mail delivery?