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TakeTheShot
05-29-2009, 8:18 PM
Dilemma. I have a registered Colt Target Sporter that's been sitting in the safe since 1990s. I know I can't sell it in California, it's on the no-no list, but in the other States, sure. I don't want nor need to sell it, but I'm conflicted whether to take it out to shoot! Is it worth anything special? It looks just like this. This one is from GB. Mine's sitting in the safe.

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/130201000/130201272/pix853967625.jpg

freonr22
05-29-2009, 8:19 PM
take a peek on ar15.com to check its value. imho take your raw paperwork w/ you and go shoot it and make everyone green with envy

sdyeti
05-29-2009, 8:22 PM
as long as it has been re registered as an assault weapon in ca. it should not be a problem, but I would check with an ffl holder.

Cal-Irish
05-29-2009, 8:28 PM
shoot it and dont clean it.

Sleepnosis
05-29-2009, 8:50 PM
If you haven't shot it in over a decade of ownership, I'd let it go out of state so that you may find something you will shoot.

dwh100
05-29-2009, 8:57 PM
I have this classic book that everyone says is great sitting in my library, should I read it?


Hell no! It'll rot your brain!

Go shoot the rifle proudly!

aplinker
05-29-2009, 8:57 PM
shoot it

dieselpower
05-29-2009, 8:59 PM
as long as it has been re registered as an assault weapon in ca. it should not be a problem, but I would check with an ffl holder.

?

someone needs to do some reasearch.

akjunkie
05-29-2009, 9:05 PM
as long as it has been re registered as an assault weapon in ca. it should not be a problem, but I would check with an ffl holder.

What does that mean???????

RE-register and check with FFL?

Safe queen since the 90s and ...key word is REGISTERED.
That would mean..SB23.

Satex
05-29-2009, 9:08 PM
It's a cardinal sin to own a firearm and not shoot it!

Eroland7
05-29-2009, 9:09 PM
rub some dirt on it and shoot the sh*t out of it...

kermit315
05-29-2009, 9:11 PM
I say shoot it or sell it.

echang86
05-29-2009, 9:12 PM
I have this classic book that everyone says is great sitting in my library, should I read it?


Hell no! It'll rot your brain!

Go shoot the rifle proudly!

LOL.

GoingPro
05-29-2009, 9:16 PM
shoot it. why would you not want to shoot it?

swerv512
05-29-2009, 9:17 PM
nothing wrong with having a jem in the safe.... keep it, dont shoot it. everytime you open up the safe, relish it in its pristine condition...

DREADNOUGHT78
05-29-2009, 9:18 PM
nothing wrong with having a jem in the safe.... keep it, dont shoot it. everytime you open up the safe, relish it in its pristine condition...

+1:thumbsup:

Lateralus
05-29-2009, 9:30 PM
Do whatever makes you happy.

It may have sentimental value, and thats great. I will admit I have a rifle in my safe that I have only shot about 30 rounds through, but I keep it because I put alot of elbow grease into making it what it is, and I just plain like having it. Can I make a quick buck? Sure. Im not going to though.

Personally, I would sell a small child before I part with a firearm. Even if I dont shoot it.

Toolbox X
05-29-2009, 11:27 PM
It's not worth a whole lot. Just a couple hundred dollars more than a non-Colt AR. Maybe $1300.

Flogger23m
05-29-2009, 11:31 PM
Shoot it and keep it. Unless you plan on moving out of state soon, you can't get that rifle anyone. Not without a BB or silly grip. Be thankful you got one back then.

But, if you truly have no interest in the rifle, then sell it.

mydogsmonkey
05-29-2009, 11:37 PM
if you're gonna sell it, i'd say sell everything but the registered lower, i'd keep that in case you do feel like building it back up again

Fate
05-29-2009, 11:40 PM
If that old-school upper and stock don't float your boat, you can always upgrade, sell those parts, put something new on that registered lower and LOVE your gun. Make it a flat top carbine with laser sights, or a long range varmint/sniper gun. Whatever you want to do on that registered lower you can. And you don't need any silly bullet buttons or featureless stuff. Drop those high cap mags with pride and make a liberal wet their pants. :thumbsup:

Centurion_D
05-29-2009, 11:41 PM
Take her out to the range and give it a workout. Take good care of it and it will not let you down. :thumbsup:

Stanze
05-29-2009, 11:48 PM
Shoot the ****ing thing! It's a GUN! Not a Fabergé egg!

Think of yourself as owning a NFA semi-auto in CA!:thumbsup:

dchang0
05-29-2009, 11:58 PM
I have this classic book that everyone says is great sitting in my library, should I read it?


Hell no! It'll rot your brain!

Go shoot the rifle proudly!

AWESOME analogy, man! (Unless of course your book is an ancient document whose pages degrade every time you expose it to light and air, which is a teeny bit like barrel erosion from firing each shot. But yours is still an awesome analogy.)

ck867
05-29-2009, 11:59 PM
whether you decide to shoot it or not, I definately don't think you should consider selling to anyone out of state. Keep the gun in California

Seesm
05-30-2009, 12:03 AM
Grow some b**ls and shoot that F****r :)

Serious it is NOT worth all that much more than a std ar style rifle.

I say enjoy what you have and USE it.

What are you waiting for anyway? WWIII?

JK!!!

Enjoy they are sure fun to shoot when you shoot em!! (guns) JK but if your in Norcal you can come to my place and shoot it!!

supersonic
05-30-2009, 12:07 AM
Unless it is an antique & might actually be dangerous to fire, I don't believe in owning ANY firearm without using it!!!! Take that Colt out and break 'er in!!!!! Do you realize how many of us are SEETHING with envy that you even have the paperwork (read: "permission":rolleyes:) to take this anywhere in PRK and use un-neutered mags?!? Have fun :cool:, or sell it out of state. ............OH, by the way:

http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/130201000/130201272/pix853967625.jpg
.....^^^^that's an M-16A2.;)

domokun
05-30-2009, 1:23 AM
Make copies of your AW registration paper work and stuff the copes into the case with the rifle and head to your nearest black rifle friendly range and shoot it. Once you're done shooting, give a good cleaning. :thumbsup:

Steve O
05-30-2009, 2:23 AM
as long as it has been re registered as an assault weapon in ca. it should not be a problem, but I would check with an ffl holder.

lol...

freonr22
05-30-2009, 2:27 AM
lol...


hey, did the tattoo of yourself, on your back hurt that much?

Steve O
05-30-2009, 4:28 AM
I would trick it out and shoot it with your legal high cap mags!
What I wouldn't pay to have that privilege. So use it!

Steve O
05-30-2009, 4:29 AM
hey, did the tattoo of yourself, on your back hurt that much?

was the worst tattoo of my life!

RogueSniper
05-30-2009, 11:27 AM
Unless it's a Collectible, which I doubt, why not shoot it? Or, put new parts on it. Change everything out and make it TactiCOOL. It looks like it's worth around $1700; how much did you pay for it (if you don't mind saying)?

Shane916
05-30-2009, 11:39 AM
as long as it has been re registered as an assault weapon in ca. it should not be a problem, but I would check with an ffl holder.

:lurk5:

grunz
05-30-2009, 11:56 AM
Your lower receiver is a registered assault weapon in CA. That means you can use real 30mags and real mag release in CA without going to jail.

For you that should be priceless.

Don't sell it.

Outside of CA - nobody cares cuz they all have them.

In CA you cant sell it to anybody.

If you need the cash - break down the gun and sell the parts - but keep the registered lower. :)

4 Brigada
05-30-2009, 12:02 PM
If you dont shoot it the anti's win. If I knew you better I would say something else like you aint got a hair ..... But I know from a friend of mine he is just about in your shoes he never takes his REGISTERED AW out to shoot. A shame really. just take the paperwork with you just in case some barney fife (not the one on Calguns) wantabee gives you some bull .... story.

Richie Caketown
05-30-2009, 12:05 PM
having that rifle and not shooting it is like having Jessical Biel topless in bed "in the mood" with you and you choosing not to sleep with her

mocos
05-30-2009, 12:31 PM
duh..last time i looked....there's no value in a virgin ar....shoot it !

NSR500
05-30-2009, 12:40 PM
Shoot it!
Better to find out if it shoots now, than to find out it does not shoot when SHTF.

Ishoot
05-30-2009, 12:46 PM
having that rifle and not shooting it is like having Jessical Biel topless in bed "in the mood" with you and you choosing not to sleep with her

Yeah it happens to me so much I'm kinda sick of it. ;) Back on topic...shoot that virgin rifle. :thumbsup:

missiontrails
05-30-2009, 1:03 PM
Thats the exact rifle I bought from B&B Sales (West Hollywood) in 1992, $699. I sold it in 1994 for $1500.

5968
05-30-2009, 4:09 PM
I would not sell it because it is a RAW. I would shoot it and have fun.

Grumpyoldretiredcop
05-30-2009, 4:11 PM
Keep it and shoot it.

hkusp9c
05-30-2009, 6:07 PM
it sounds like he doesn't wanna shoot it and sell it unfired if it has any special monetary value.

KaTooM
05-30-2009, 6:16 PM
Your lower receiver is a registered assault weapon in CA. That means you can use real 30mags and real mag release in CA without going to jail.

For you that should be priceless.

Don't sell it.

Outside of CA - nobody cares cuz they all have them.

In CA you cant sell it to anybody.

If you need the cash - break down the gun and sell the parts - but keep the registered lower. :)

+1000

Good posting!

:)

bombadillo
05-30-2009, 6:25 PM
Ultimately, it will become a collectors piece if you keep it whole and unfired. If it were mine, with the countless options and never being able to get an unfired RAW again, keep it a safe queen and build an OLL. My .02

dieselpower
05-30-2009, 7:04 PM
Dont sell it unless you are totally strapped for cash and 1K is going to change your life. I would not sell the lower. I would sell the upper and BCG for $600-$800 as a LNIB 1990s unfired Colt Sporter upper.

If you want to shoot it, then you really don't need to copy your RAW paperwork. That is FUD thinking. The only people who do that are the ones who put up with ******* range masters who want to ENFORCE laws and are wannabe cops, or the other people who do that are "look at me" I'm special wanna see how special I am?

There is no other reason to carry a copy of your RAW letter. I don't. Why? Because those who did recieve that letter know we are in a data base and any LEO can check it within minutes if needed.

Carry the RAW as per the law and have fun, or sell the upper for quick cash and build it up again when you have the cash.

Sheldon
05-30-2009, 10:41 PM
I'm sorta in the same boat as I have a new MAK-90 that I haven't shot since I bought it new in '95 or so. The thumbhole stock on that thing turns me off big time!! I have been wanting to get the laminated stock set from Ironwood Designs, but with the price and scarcity of ammo right now that project has fallen way low on the priority list. I plan on shooting it eventually!!!

NeoWeird
05-31-2009, 12:06 AM
With these types of firearms, it's sadly more the 'presentation' than the weapon itself. The Colt Target Sporter does not deman any higher premium over any other type of brand. In fact, the term "Colt" adds more value to it than it's age or the fact that it's unfired. Unfired is one thing, unfired in box with accessories still in wrap is another. Had it been an unfired SP1, you'd STILL only be pushing the $2k range TOPS and that's assuming unfired NIB.

To give you an idea, a guy over on arf just got an unfired, 4 digit (first year production - 1964) Colt SP1 that was still in the box, still in the wrap, with ALL factory accessories (including Colt 3x scope) all still in their original wrap and never used. Total value? About $3.5 - and the scope alone is about $300 used with light damage, so that alone is about an $800 item.

Sadly, you're Colt in the real world is worth probably around $1.5k. Like I said, the fact that it has "Colt" on the side raises it's value more than the fact that it's unfired. It's not an uncommon variation, nor is it from a low production year. The sad truth is that you have a $1.5k rifle that would take $1.2K to buy new right now. That means there is about a $300 value standing between you using a 100% real AR at the range and dropping another grand to have a nuetered AR at the range.

Now I'm a collector when it comes to anything, but this is one case where you're really not losing anything by shooting it but missing out a great opportunity by saving it.

X-NewYawker
05-31-2009, 12:29 AM
Lets just be clear - was it registered by "buying it" or did you separately register it as an AW before the deadline? If the former it is not legal. If the latter, shoot the crap out of it it has no special value.

TakeTheShot
06-07-2009, 6:17 PM
Registered before the deadline.

I think I'll go out and shoot it. I've got a bunch of 20 and 30 round magazines, but only a case of .223. Is 5.56 better for it? I'll have to find some military stuff.

JohnBrian
06-07-2009, 6:23 PM
Do whatever makes you happy.
Personally, I would sell a small child before I part with a firearm. Even if I dont shoot it.
Shoot what?-- the child or the rifle? :43: :eek:

IW378
06-07-2009, 6:37 PM
.223 will shoot just fine out of it. I'd like to see a range report after you get her dialed in. Keep it, shoot it, and be proud you can use it the way it was meant to be used.
Luke

A324
06-07-2009, 8:59 PM
Don't shoot it. The factory has already test-fired it so you know it works. Put it back in your safe and walk away, make a ham sandwich, turn on the TV, the feeling will soon pass.

ianS
06-07-2009, 9:14 PM
Registered before the deadline.

I think I'll go out and shoot it. I've got a bunch of 20 and 30 round magazines, but only a case of .223. Is 5.56 better for it? I'll have to find some military stuff.

Its a Colt so it should be chambered for 5.56mm (you can shoot .223 too). It should be stamped on the barrel. 5.56mm range ammo (XM193) is typically loaded hotter than most .223 range fodder.

Definately keep a copy of your AW letter of registration along with the rifle wherever you go. You'll love how accurate that thing is. I'd take that old school iron sighted AR over any of those newly "CA Legal AR's" with thousands of dollars of tacticool accessories hanging all over the rails any day.

Apollo
06-07-2009, 10:05 PM
Awesome, go shoot it for us that can't.

operationblackwater
06-07-2009, 10:07 PM
Go shoot it and have fun with it.:44::13::13:

Hitman
06-07-2009, 10:43 PM
I have two of them that I SHOOT. Enjoy them.

Barney Gumble
06-07-2009, 11:16 PM
Since you can't sell it in CA its only value is derived from shooting it.

Outside of California it's nothing special.

Go shoot it and enjoy it.

ricknadine1111
06-07-2009, 11:32 PM
A whole lot of people with their opinion about your rifle, and you only live once ,I will leave it at that.

FatOnCoke
06-08-2009, 12:06 AM
Don't shoot it!
It will worth a fortune in another twenty years.

B Strong
06-08-2009, 6:47 AM
I'd shoot it until it smokes.

Colt made tons of AR's in every flavor, it's not an unfired G series FAL or an unfired HK semi G3 (predeccesor of the 41 & 91) or an unfired SIG AMT.

It was made to be fired - use it.

West coast
06-08-2009, 8:00 AM
Shoot it!!!!!!!!!!!!

A324
06-08-2009, 8:09 AM
Don't do it! All the new will vaporize away and it will be just another 'used gun'

And you don't want a 'used gun' do you?