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Peter W Bush
05-28-2009, 10:06 PM
So I've been looking at this fixed up remingtom 22-250, and I haven't really seen much about its maximum range. The rifle has a lot of work done and is very accurate, but I want something that is going to hit at 1000 yards+

Any advice? Should I be looking into a different caliber altogether?

joelukehart
05-28-2009, 11:23 PM
The lighter bullets are 4000fps+ muzzle and 1800fps at 500 yards. But every chart I've looked at only goes up to 500 yards. 22-250 is mainly a coyote/varmint round. I'd say if you are going for 1000+, go with .308, or even better, .300 Win mag or .338 Lapua.

Peter W Bush
05-28-2009, 11:48 PM
ive fired a 22 250 into an 18" target at 600 yards at angeles and hit it like it was easy.. accurate as all hell but dont know how its going to do at a farther target

God Bless The Mauser
05-28-2009, 11:52 PM
I was looking at a Hornady catalog and some of the heavy .224 bullets have nearly the BC of the .30 cals:eek:

Peter W Bush
05-29-2009, 12:16 AM
I was looking at a Hornady catalog and some of the heavy .224 bullets have nearly the BC of the .30 cals:eek:

wow.... any of these available in factory loads? I havent started reloading yet.

Basically my dilemma is this.. Other than the .50 DTC im waiting to buy, I want to have 1 or 2 other extremely accurate bench rifles. Ive been offered a Remington chambered in 22-250 that has a glass bedded synthetic stock, jewel trigger, a re-crowned muzzle, and a leupold scope (forget the model number.. looked it up and its about $800 brand new). The guy wants about 1200 for the whole package... Considering I just bought 3 lever actions from the guy, I dont know whether I should buy it or not. Any feedback would be appreciated.

God Bless The Mauser
05-29-2009, 12:34 AM
I'm not sure if its factory loaded but you could try looking on Midway USA. The bullets are 80gr A-Max. The ballistic coef. of them is .473 which isn't far behind the 168gr .308 which is .475. The heavier weight is what's going to do better at distance. That's why the heavy .224 bullets like 80gr do so much better at long range than say a 55gr because the wind has less affect.

Peter W Bush
05-29-2009, 12:38 AM
so would you buy a 22 250 for long range shooting?

God Bless The Mauser
05-29-2009, 12:43 AM
Well it wouln't be my first choice since I have my bull barrel AR that I reload for and that can get some decent range. A .22-250 will do a lot better than .223 at distance though and it would be a great varmint rifle. Do the .22-250s burn up barrels very fast like some of those other high velocity rifles?

ocabj
05-29-2009, 4:40 AM
If you want to shoot 1000 yard bench rest, then you shouldn't even consider a 22cal.

Try 6mmBR or one of the 6mmBR Improved cartridges like 6mm Dasher.

As far as a .22-250, unless the rifle was specifically built for 1000 yard shooting, it's not going to work. It most likely has a slow twist rate barrel which isn't going to be good for the heavy 80gr+ 22cal bullets which are necessary for 1000 yards. And since you don't reload, you're not even going to find any .22-250 factory ammo that will get to 1000 yard accurately.

Jonathan Doe
05-29-2009, 5:52 AM
so would you buy a 22 250 for long range shooting?

No, I would go with 6mm BR or other rounds with high BC and or if you still want 22-250, I would get a barrel with fast twist for heavier bullet. You need a bullet that can stay supersonic at the distance you want to shoot to be accurate.

JTROKS
05-29-2009, 7:39 AM
A standard 22-250 Rem is not really made for 1000 yard shooting, at the most it will be 600 yards with 55 grain bullets. Unless you get a custom 1x8 twist barrel and shoot 77 grain bullets. You're better off getting a 260 Rem, if you go custom get a 260 AI.

CSACANNONEER
05-29-2009, 8:06 AM
ive fired a 22 250 into an 18" target at 600 yards at angeles and hit it like it was easy.. accurate as all hell but dont know how its going to do at a farther target

18" at 600 yards is NOT what I consider a percission gun at all. It is almost 3 moa! I can almost consistantly do that withh iron sites on my old Yugo Mauser. My eyes are over 40 so, that's the main reason that I'm not hitting it as consistantly as I should. There is a big difference between percision and accurate though. If your POI is close to your POA every time, your rifle is accurate. If all your shots are in a tight group, you are shooting percisely. If both are happening at the same time, you are shooting the hell out of the X-ring!


BTW, Fort Courage Armory has a used Rem 700 in 22-250 sitting on their shelf.

4 Brigada
05-29-2009, 8:31 AM
6.5 x 284 seems to have pretty good ballistics for that type of shooting. I never owned one or shot one so just going by the ballistic tables. Also some are praising the 6.5 x 47 Lapua.

Fjold
05-29-2009, 9:02 AM
The standard twist for a 22.250 by Remington is 1 turn in 14" which means that 55 grain bullets are probably the heaviest that you can shoot accurately and it is not a long range shooter.

I don't know what a "fixed up" Remington is but unless it has a new barrel with a faster twist, that isn't the ticket.

Peter W Bush
05-29-2009, 11:14 AM
im going to find out more about this rifle and what exactly has been done to it. and yes, I know that hitting an 18" target at 600 yards isnt that great but it was the first shot ive ever taken at over 200 yards at anything. the rifle just made it seem easy

RugerNo1
05-29-2009, 11:59 AM
I love my 22-250, but a 650 yard shot is the best I can reach out with it on a calm day. Mine, a Ruger No 1 that's completely factory with a Leupold VX-III 6.5-20x and stock trigger, will hold half inch at 100 yards from a rest, tighter(around .4-.3in.) if it's in a sled. My rifle holds 1 MOA out to 600 and it's downhill from there. Not even close to a 1000 yard gun. But, Great for varmints, they 'slode on connection.

If your into self-punishment, a 7mm-Remington Mag will make it beyond 1000 with handloads. Mine has tagged 1000 yard 10 inch discs with pretty good consistencey....and it's a hunting rifle.

adamsreeftank
05-29-2009, 1:52 PM
Have you looked at the 260 remington? It is a 308 cartridge necked down to a 6.5 mm high BC round that has less recoil than the 308, but shoots flatter and retains more energy at 1000 yds.

CSACANNONEER
05-29-2009, 1:58 PM
Basically my dilemma is this.. Other than the .50 DTC im waiting to buy

I missed this part. Before you buy a 50, I strongly suggest joining the FCSA! We can help you make an informed choice so that you'll get the 50 that best suits your needs. Sometime, I can meet you at Angeles and let you shoot a couple of mine if you want.

Bongos
05-29-2009, 2:10 PM
Can't believe no one mentions that the 22-250 is a barrel burner!! You'll be lucky to get 5,000 rounds out of that barrel. You are buying it used, do you know how many rounds have gone through it??? If it is a few thousands like 3K, that thing is way beyond prime. 308 is good up to 800yards consistently, 1000 is a challenge. Try 300 Win Mag or 338

God Bless The Mauser
05-29-2009, 3:05 PM
Can't believe no one mentions that the 22-250 is a barrel burner!! You'll be lucky to get 5,000 rounds out of that barrel. You are buying it used, do you know how many rounds have gone through it??? If it is a few thousands like 3K, that thing is way beyond prime. 308 is good up to 800yards consistently, 1000 is a challenge. Try 300 Win Mag or 338

.300WM is a barrel burner too.

jasonnorcal
05-29-2009, 3:17 PM
No 22-250. 6.5 Grendel:43:

rksimple
05-29-2009, 3:47 PM
If you don't reload, and want to get more involved in long range shooting, get a 308 hands down. Then learn how to reload in short order. Don't waste your time with a 22-250.

5hundo
05-29-2009, 3:58 PM
There's nothing wrong with a .308 for 1000 yards.

Lot's of police departments and military organizations use variants of Remington 700s for their sniper rifles. Most of those are chambered to 7.62 NATO or .308.

Another advantage to getting a .308 Remmy 700 is that you can buy cheap Milsurp ammo for plinking... ;)

Peter W Bush
05-29-2009, 4:16 PM
I missed this part. Before you buy a 50, I strongly suggest joining the FCSA! We can help you make an informed choice so that you'll get the 50 that best suits your needs. Sometime, I can meet you at Angeles and let you shoot a couple of mine if you want.

Ive been really looking into buying one of those .50 uppers for an AR platform.. any opinons?

SVRider
05-29-2009, 5:20 PM
Is the main reason people choose 260 over 7-08 due to recoil? It seems you can more easily find ballistically superior bullets in 7mm than you can in 6.5mm...

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Fjold
05-29-2009, 5:24 PM
I have a 22.250 with a 26" Pacnor Supermatch, 1:10" twist barrel that is set up for the 68-70 grain match bullets. It's a good round out to 600 yards but it just not enough bullet/cartridge to come close to matching my 6.5x284 at anything past that.

For the 260 versus 7mm comparison, you can shoot great 142 gr grain .264 bullets but to get that kind of BC with a 7mm you have to shoot the 180+ grain bullets which require a lot larger cartridgs with larger powder charges and greatly increased recoil. All things being equal the less the recoil there is the better most people will shoot.

CSACANNONEER
05-29-2009, 6:50 PM
Ive been really looking into buying one of those .50 uppers for an AR platform.. any opinons?

Yea, spend a little more and get a good one. I suggest getting either a ALS or a Ferret50. I have shot back to back <.5moa, 5 shot groups at 1000 yards with my ALS. This was done at a match so, it is easy to verify. If you want to see some nice 50s, there's a match next weekend in Coalinga. Some of the top 50 shooters in the country will be there. Now, if you just want to compensate for something, a cheap Bohica upper might be all you need but, it's funny that with all the Bohica owners on this site, not one of them is coming to the match. I had even offered to pay for someone to shoot one class just to see one at a FCSA match. No one took me up on it. Do the guys who own them know something that I don't? Anyway, I'd NEVER buy a Watson Weapon's upper and, although I do like the Safety Harbor uppers, they just don't perform as well as the ALS and Ferret50 uppers do. In the end, you will have to decide what you really want your rifle to be capable of and then get the one that will suit your needs best.

Peter W Bush
05-29-2009, 8:19 PM
ALS and Ferret50 both sound good to me.. I was looking into Bohicas but it seems to be made for big caliber bragging rights as opposed to a true <moa benchgun. So I guess its settled.. I NEED to buy a 50 cal. Thanks for the advice

Peter W Bush
05-30-2009, 11:41 PM
Any advice on barrel length for the .50?

CSACANNONEER
06-01-2009, 4:50 PM
Any advice on barrel length for the .50?

Ask the manufacturer that you choose to go with. Both Darran (ALS) and Dave (Spider Firearms - Ferrett 50) have shot 1000 yard matches. Darran has broken several world records (that have since been broken by others) using his uppers. Anyway, both of them are very knowledgable and know what works best with their actions. Typically, for a 1000 yard 50 (BMG or DTC) your best results will be from a barrel between 29" and 32".

rksimple
06-01-2009, 9:16 PM
There's nothing wrong with a .308 for 1000 yards.


Unless you want to hit things reliably. Spend some time behind a 308 at 1k. You'll realize why some say it should be a crime to shoot a 308 past 600 yards.

Then again, I guess it depends upon the standards of accuracy for each shooter.

buffybuster
06-01-2009, 9:23 PM
Unless you want to hit things reliably. Spend some time behind a 308 at 1k. You'll realize why some say it should be a crime to shoot a 308 past 600 yards.

Then again, I guess it depends upon the standards of accuracy for each shooter.

+1

I'll go out to 800yds with a .308Win. After that it starts to get pretty dicey.