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Gator Monroe
05-28-2009, 6:03 AM
Member of ACLU & La Raza so that makes her someone that anyone on CGN should be against ?:confused:

hill billy
05-28-2009, 7:03 AM
Uh, absolutely.

Solidmch
05-28-2009, 7:05 AM
okay but what can we really do about it. Anyways were trading a lib for a lib. I am not that concerned RIGHT NOW about the Feds. I am however concerned about our own idiots in Sacramento. They are the ones that are gonna cause us trouble in the near future

garandguy10
05-28-2009, 7:41 AM
More like trading a lib for a virulent malignant cancer.

Gator Monroe
05-28-2009, 2:20 PM
okay but what can we really do about it. Anyways were trading a lib for a lib. I am not that concerned RIGHT NOW about the Feds. I am however concerned about our own idiots in Sacramento. They are the ones that are gonna cause us trouble in the near future

We must get Left leaning Libertarians & Dem/Libs or just Dems HERE AT CG to pledge to not vot for Pelosi or Boxer, Feinstein or any other stealth anti 2A dem in their respective upcoming elections ../

CHS
05-28-2009, 2:42 PM
We must get Left leaning Libertarians & Dem/Libs or just Dems HERE AT CG to pledge to not vot for Pelosi or Boxer, Feinstein or any other stealth anti 2A dem in their respective upcoming elections ../

Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein.

NONE of those ladies are "stealth" about their Anti-2A views.

They're practically yelling and screaming in the streets about how much they hate guns.

Gator Monroe
05-28-2009, 2:51 PM
Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein.

NONE of those ladies are "stealth" about their Anti-2A views.

They're practically yelling and screaming in the streets about how much they hate guns.

"aNY OTHER " meant other Democrats that the CG posters might consider OTHER THAN pELOSI OR fEINSTEIN OR bOXER ...:sleeping:

stag1500
05-28-2009, 2:53 PM
More like trading a lib for a virulent malignant cancer.

A lib with Type I diabetes. It's anyone's guess how long she'll last. (I'm just stating the obvious).

cactustactical
05-28-2009, 2:56 PM
Pelosi...


lol.... what a "C" word! What sorry ***** state is she from anyways?

Art

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www.SecondAmendmentTaskForce.com

Gator Monroe
05-28-2009, 2:56 PM
A lib with Type I diabetes. It's anyone's guess how long she'll last. (I'm just stating the obvious).

rEMOTE vIEWING SHOWS ...:TFH:

Cru Jones
05-28-2009, 2:58 PM
Member of ACLU & La Raza so that makes her someone that anyone on CGN should be against ?:confused:

No, what should concern CGN members is that she doesn't believe The 2nd Amendment incorporates to the states. Although Souter was an anti also so the balance doesn't change.

Manic Moran
05-28-2009, 3:14 PM
So what chance Maloney/Cuomo can be appealed?

Aegis
05-28-2009, 8:01 PM
We can only hope the Republicans and a few of the so called "blue dog" Democrats block her nomination or some dirt comes out about her. I realize that her nomination does not sway the balance of the court. She is not just a liberal, she is anti-2A to an extreme, a radical and an activist. She cannot be objective and do her job ethically without forwarding her radical agenda.

DDT
05-28-2009, 8:44 PM
So what chance Maloney/Cuomo can be appealed?

I think they've already petitioned for cert.

1923mack
05-29-2009, 11:41 AM
This nominee is definitely not centralist (even thought appointed by a Republican) as the news medias initially stated.

Maestro Pistolero
05-29-2009, 12:04 PM
Dear Senator,

I am writing to convey a deep concern about the nomination of Judge Sotomayor for Supreme Court Justice. This nominee's long-held position that the Second Amendment does not protect an individual right to firearms ownership is as absurd as it is well-known. She has said publicly that there is no fundamental right to own a gun. This is completely at odds with the United States Supreme Court's recent Heller vs D.C. decision. Even the dissenting justices in Heller acknowledged that 2A protects an individual right to self defense, not necessarily connected to militia service.

With critical '2A' cases hanging in the balance over the next few terms of the SCOTUS, including the fundamental question of whether the 2nd Amendment is incorporated against the States, confirming Sotomayor spells disaster for the Second Amendment rights that you have helped protect for many years.

I am writing to urge you to do everything in your power to block this nomination, so that a suitable nominee, grounded in the original intent of the founders may be brought forth.

Sincerely,

Christopher J Hoffman

highpowermatch
05-29-2009, 12:16 PM
The latest on Sotomayor found on the AP web

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090529/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_sotomayor

"Critics have singled out the 2001 comment by Sotomayor for criticism. She was describing how personal experiences can affect judging. She said a "wise Latina woman" with her experiences would more often than not reach a "better conclusion" than a white male."

Keeps getting better and better. Would like to see a white male say that about a "minority" female and explain it away.

hawk81
05-29-2009, 3:17 PM
This woman is an enemy of the United States constitution. She is anti-American.

bwiese
05-29-2009, 3:37 PM
okay but what can we really do about it. Anyways were trading a lib for a lib. I am not that concerned RIGHT NOW about the Feds. I am however concerned about our own idiots in Sacramento. They are the ones that are gonna cause us trouble in the near future

Bingo. Let's keep the focus here on CA.

Obama's just trading Souter for Sotowhatever, so no net change to Heller 5 majority.

The Repubs do not have the power to stop her. They shoulda thought about this crap when they decided to not win elections.

Maestro Pistolero
05-29-2009, 6:04 PM
Bingo. Let's keep the focus here on CA.

Obama's just trading Souter for Sotowhatever, so no net change to Heller 5 majority.

The Repubs do not have the power to stop her. They shoulda thought about this crap when they decided to not win elections.


Perhaps but 5-4 is way too close to call. And this might not be Obama's last appointment. We have to fight this tooth and nail.

lioneaglegriffin
05-29-2009, 6:22 PM
Bingo. Let's keep the focus here on CA.

Obama's just trading Souter for Sotowhatever, so no net change to Heller 5 majority.

The Repubs do not have the power to stop her. They shoulda thought about this crap when they decided to not win elections.

i they decided not to win? Like the french in Indochina their strategy may have been piss poor but i think they were trying to win.

DocSkinner
05-29-2009, 10:25 PM
We must get Left leaning Libertarians & Dem/Libs or just Dems HERE AT CG to pledge to not vot for Pelosi or Boxer, Feinstein or any other stealth anti 2A dem in their respective upcoming elections ../

Or all CGNers to go independent and vote DEM ballot in primaries against them...

nicki
05-30-2009, 1:29 AM
Dear Senator,

I am writing to convey a deep concern about the nomination of Judge Sotomayor for Supreme Court Justice. This nominee's long-held position that the Second Amendment does not protect an individual right to firearms ownership is as absurd as it is well-known. She has said publicly that there is no fundamental right to own a gun. This is completely at odds with the United States Supreme Court's recent Heller vs D.C. decision. Even the dissenting justices in Heller acknowledged that 2A protects an individual right to self defense, not necessarily connected to militia service.

With critical '2A' cases hanging in the balance over the next few terms of the SCOTUS, including the fundamental question of whether the 2nd Amendment is incorporated against the States, confirming Sotomayor spells disaster for the Second Amendment rights that you have helped protect for many years.

I am writing to urge you to do everything in your power to block this nomination, so that a suitable nominee, grounded in the original intent of the founders may be brought forth.

Sincerely,

Christopher J Hoffman



This is a good letter, but I would have went deeper. The issue is more than the second amendment, it is the whole bill of rights.

Justices are supposed to uphold all the Bill of Rights, not just the ones they like.

As far as incorporation, if she is going to cite prior precedent, why did the second appeals court cite "Presser" instead of the real source case "Crunshiak".

Could it be that she doesn't want her ruling tied to the "Collafax Massacre", I mean why should she care. No latinos got massacred that day, only 100 plus recently freed slaves.

She has disdain for equality under the law, she treats rights like selctively issued priviliges. She is unfit not only to be a US Supreme Court Judge, but even a "traffic court" judge.

Nicki

Sobriquet
05-30-2009, 4:03 AM
Anyone read the SCOTUS Blog?

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/sotomayor-and-the-second-amendment/

Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor, already facing bitter criticism from gun rights advocates for an appeals court decision she joined last January, may have to choose whether to take part when the constitutional issue at stake comes up before the Supreme Court (assuming that she is confirmed). As of now, the first case in line on that issue is the one on which she ruled as a judge of the Second Circuit Court — Maloney v. Cuomo.

The Maloney decision (Second Circuit docket 07-581) involves the next major issue on the Constitution’s Second Amendment, which guarantees a “right to keep and bear arms.” The issue is whether that Amendment applies to state and local government, thus restricting their power to control individuals’ private possession of pistols and other guns. The Supreme Court ruled last year, in District of Columbia v. Heller, that the Amendment protects an individual right to have a gun, for self-defense, in the home.

The Court, however, did not settle whether the Amendment operates against any level of government other than the federal government and a federal entity, the District of Columbia. The Second Circuit, in the Maloney case, ruled that prior Supreme Court precedent saying that the Amendment only applied at the federal level is still binding law. Sotomayor was a member of a three-judge panel that issued the unsigned ruling.

In reaction to her nomination, supporters of broad rights under the Second Amendment exploded. For example, Curt Levey, executive director of the conservative advocacy group, Committee for Justice, wrote: “Now every red and purple state Democratic senator who considers voting for Sotomayor will be forced to explain to his constituents why he’s supporting a nominee who thinks those constituents don’t have Second Amendment rights. Because they can send red state Democrats running for cover, gun owners are the one interest group that could completely change the political equation on judicial nominations if they’re drawn into the debate. Obama’s selection of Sotomayor makes that virtually certain.”

The Maloney case is now scheduled to be challenged in the Supreme Court by June 26. Sotomayor, as a Justice, almost certainly would take herself out of consideration of that case, because of her prior participation in it at the Circuit Court.

Other cases raising the same question, however, are moving along in lower courts, and it is possible that the Justices may see more of those, perhaps over the summer months. If that happens, the Court may have other vehicles to choose from, thus perhaps giving Sotomayor a chance to get involved.

The Ninth Circuit Court in April became the first federal appeals court to rule that the Second Amendment does apply to state and local government — thus assuring the kind of Circuit split that often leads the Supreme Court to step in to resolve the disput.e

The Ninth Circuit did so in the case of Nordyke, et al., v. King (Circuit docket 07-15763). Although there was a chance that the Nordyke case could be appealed soon to the Supreme Court, in time to compete with the Maloney case for the Court’s attention on the Second Amendment question, that prospect dimmed last week. A judge of the Ninth Circuit called for a vote on whether the full en banc Court should consider the case. Both sides were ordered to file simultaneous briefs on that question by June 8 — thus slowing down the pace of that case.

Another case on the same issue involves the leader of the Nation’s gun rights forces — the National Rifle Association. Its lawsuit seeking to have the Second Amendment apply to state and local government (National Rifle Association v. City of Chicago) was heard Tuesday by a three-judge panel of the Seventh Circuit Court (docket 08-4241). An early decision is expected in that case; indications at the oral argument were that two of the judges were deeply skeptical of the NRA’s plea (see this analysis by law professor Randy Barnett at the Volokh Conspiracy blog. Thanks to Howard Bashman of How Appealing blog for this link.)

Another Second Amendment case moving toward a decision, in the Fifth Circuit Court, does not involve the question of applying the Second Amendment to states, counties and cities. But it does test whether the right recognized by the Supreme Court is a “fundamenal” one; if it is of that rank, that very likely would lead to its application to state and local government. (The Fifth Circuit case is Bledsoe v. U.S., docket 08-51217. Briefing was completed in March. Both sides have waived oral argument.)

If Sotomayor as a member of the Supreme Court does take part in the next round on the Second Amendment, it is unclear just what difference that would make. She would replace retiring Justice David H. Souter, who dissented in the Court’s 5-4 ruling in Heller establishing a personal right to have a gun in the home.

If the same five Justices who made up the Heller majority were to rule that the Amendment reaches below the federal government, Sotomayor’s vote probably would not be decisive. She could bolster a majority, if she were so inclined, in favor of the broader application, of course.