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nav195
05-24-2009, 9:21 PM
is it any good. i know most aks are pretty dependable. any info?

Thunderbird
05-24-2009, 9:35 PM
I had a Norinco NHM 91.

Best AK variant I have handled or fired hands down.

Still kick myself for that trade.

BroncoBob
05-24-2009, 9:36 PM
I got a Norinco SKS great rifle

Saigon1965
05-24-2009, 9:37 PM
Norincos are banned by name - Other than that - The consensus is that they are of high quality -

Fantasma
05-24-2009, 9:41 PM
Norincos are banned by name - Other than that - The consensus is that they are of high quality -

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Wish i could get one.

You know un Jugetito de China...

JeffM
05-24-2009, 9:42 PM
SOME Norincos are banned by name - Other than that - The consensus is that they are of high quality -

Fixed it for you :thumbsup:

JeffM
05-24-2009, 9:42 PM
:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Wish i could get one.

You know un Jugetito de China...

There are Norincos out there that can be had in CA.

Saigon1965
05-24-2009, 9:43 PM
Thanks - Which are not listed Jeff?

Fixed it for you :thumbsup:

Fantasma
05-24-2009, 9:43 PM
There are Norincos out there that can be had in CA.

Really :eek:, know which ones?

dmckean44
05-24-2009, 10:00 PM
The MAK 91 isn't on there.

car15
05-24-2009, 10:12 PM
I think they are banned from importation due to a load of full auto rifles seized in the SF Bay Area? Also I vaguely remember some model receivers would crack . It takes me back to my teenage years when Traders would have an ad in Thursday's Tribune sports section with a large drawing of an AK for 249.95.
I thought to myself I GOT TO GET ME ONE OF THOSE.

69Mach1
05-24-2009, 10:13 PM
MAK 91 milled receiver long barrel AK and the BWK-92 .223 Chinese AK are off list. Both Norinco.

Saigon1965
05-24-2009, 10:14 PM
Ah - Traders ad - Some good stuff then -

I think they are banned from importation due to a load of full auto rifles seized in the SF Bay Area? Also I vaguely remember some model receivers would crack . It takes me back to my teenage years when Traders would have an ad in Thursday's Tribune sports section with a large drawing of an AK for 249.95.

car15
05-24-2009, 10:18 PM
Ah - Traders ad - Some good stuff then -

You couldn't beat Tri-City's yearly sale.:thumbsup:

69Mach1
05-24-2009, 10:18 PM
I think they are banned from importation due to a load of full auto rifles seized in the SF Bay Area? Also I vaguely remember some model receivers would crack . It takes me back to my teenage years when Traders would have an ad in Thursday's Tribune sports section with a large drawing of an AK for 249.95.
I thought to myself I GOT TO GET ME ONE OF THOSE.

They are banned from importation because of Clinton...... Chinese arms and ammunition back in 98. The cracked receiver ones were the B-West creations using US made receivers back in the day.

Saigon1965
05-24-2009, 10:20 PM
Condominiums stands there now - Sad -

You couldn't beat Tri-City's yearly sale.:thumbsup:

Saigon1965
05-24-2009, 10:21 PM
I know you have these in your closet man - Lets see them -

MAK 91 milled receiver long barrel AK and the BWK-92 .223 Chinese AK are off list. Both Norinco.

Fantasma
05-24-2009, 10:21 PM
They are banned from importation because of Clinton...... Chinese arms and ammunition back in 98. The cracked receiver ones were the B-West creations using US made receivers back in the day.

Would that ever expire, like the old ban?

tankerman
05-24-2009, 10:22 PM
My brother has one, the thumbhole stock looks like it was carved in a chinese prison using a sharpened rock.

69Mach1
05-24-2009, 10:23 PM
Would that ever expire, like the old ban?

Nothing to expire. It's a presidential ban. Needs a presidential OK?

69Mach1
05-24-2009, 10:24 PM
I know you have these in your closet man - Lets see them -

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j258/FIVESIXTN/DSC04223.jpg

Imported BWK-92. :thumbsup:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=140975

69Mach1
05-24-2009, 10:27 PM
My brother has one, the thumbhole stock looks like it was carved in a chinese prison using a sharpened rock.


Yes, but the rifle itself is built very well. It's a quality rifle.

Q
05-24-2009, 10:38 PM
Mak-91
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/91.jpg

soon to be customized..

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/wood.jpg

JeffM
05-24-2009, 10:41 PM
Thanks - Which are not listed Jeff?

Really :eek:, know which ones?


All the ones not on the list of course :D


But the more common '91 and '92 have been mentioned now.

69Mach1
05-24-2009, 10:42 PM
If you guys really want to push it, find a Sile Post Ban imported Norinco.

Post ban rifles were imported by Sile in New York, New York. They were pre ban 56S rifles modified to post ban configuration by the bayonet lug being ground down, some not all had muzzle nuts tack welded on, and thumbhole stocks attached. The fixed stock model had the number 7 stamped on each side of the model number 56S.
http://home.comcast.net/~jfreeman16/756s7.jpg

The under folding stock rifles had a tang welded on the back of the receiver and a thumbhole stock added. They had a 1 stamped in front of the 56S-1 model number.
http://home.comcast.net/~jfreeman16/156s1.jpg

Same concept as the renumbered HK 911, to get pass the import name ban. I just have not confirmed that there are no other markings such as "AK, AK47, or "AKS" on there too. If so, it's a no-no.

Saigon1965
05-24-2009, 10:46 PM
Carved by jailed dissidents -

My brother has one, the thumbhole stock looks like it was carved in a chinese prison using a sharpened rock.

Saigon1965
05-24-2009, 10:46 PM
Bro - You've never failed me -


Imported BWK-92. :thumbsup:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=140975

socomIInato
05-24-2009, 10:53 PM
poly tech were of higher quality:thumbsup:

Mac Attack
05-24-2009, 10:56 PM
I have a Norinco MAK90 that was the nicest fitting , best shooting and most accurate of all the AK's I have ever seen or shot. I had to leave it back in GA because I they are not allowed here.

69Mach1
05-24-2009, 10:59 PM
poly tech were of higher quality:thumbsup:

Probably, but not one imported model is CA legal.

Fantasma
05-24-2009, 11:00 PM
Probably, but not one imported model is CA legal.

:(:(

JeffM
05-24-2009, 11:07 PM
Probably, but not one imported model is CA legal.

There is one that I know of. :D

JeffM
05-24-2009, 11:26 PM
There is one that I know of. :D

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=181980

I've seen these in person and they are nice.

Made in the Polytech factory (386), exported by Norinco - *most* marked as the listed "Norinco Hunter"

A little something for everyone :thumbsup:

Q
05-25-2009, 12:03 AM
386 is a factory like cerro forge or anchor harvey.
All the polytech legends I've seen were built on 386 forgings. Some other listed polys on 388 forgings. There might be a few other ones.


http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/386nm.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/n.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/91-1.jpg

Saigon1965
05-25-2009, 12:05 AM
I love this crap -

69Mach1
05-25-2009, 12:11 AM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=181980

I've seen these in person and they are nice.

Made in the Polytech factory (386), exported by Norinco - *most* marked as the listed "Norinco Hunter"

A little something for everyone :thumbsup:

It is marked Norinco, but who cares. :):thumbsup:
I didn't know some were not marked "Hunter". Very cool.

Q
05-25-2009, 12:18 AM
There are some cool custom projects out there for the non hunter receiver..

galil in 762x39 and valmet clone. the rear of the receiver is angle cut like the mak 91 so if you wanted to add a galil stock you'd have to find a gunsmith to weld it flush again.

all norincos below
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/norincogalilsu7.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/galil-1.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/M-76R-Hside.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/DCP03312.jpg

JeffM
05-25-2009, 12:32 AM
386 is a factory like cerro forge or anchor harvey.
All the polytech legends I've seen were built on 386 forgings. Some other listed polys on 388 forgings. There might be a few other ones.

Both factories built full rifles and shared parts - they are both a piece of the PLA machine. Then Norinco absorbed Polytech and their inventory.

I love this crap -

Who doesn't!?!

JeffM
05-25-2009, 12:33 AM
It is marked Norinco, but who cares. :):thumbsup:
I didn't know some were not marked "Hunter". Very cool.

Not even marked "Norinco" - just "Made in China" and the importer.

69Mach1
05-25-2009, 12:35 AM
There are some cool custom projects out there for the non hunter receiver..

galil in 762x39 and valmet clone. the rear of the receiver is angle cut like the mak 91 so if you wanted to add a galil stock you'd have to find a gunsmith to weld it flush again.

all norincos below
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/norincogalilsu7.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/galil-1.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/M-76R-Hside.jpg
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n32/qbertquartz2/DCP03312.jpg

Wow, just wow. And Valmet, the other AK we can't have.:mad:

domokun
05-25-2009, 12:37 AM
Condominiums stands there now - Sad -

Drive right by it every time I go visit Irvington Arms...

B Strong
05-25-2009, 6:41 AM
They are banned from importation because of Clinton...... Chinese arms and ammunition back in 98. The cracked receiver ones were the B-West creations using US made receivers back in the day.

Sorry guy, it was Bush 41 that banned the import of Chinese AK's, along with other firearms:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,151492,00.html

tankerman
05-25-2009, 8:28 AM
And Valmet, the other AK we can't have.:mad:There's some debate about that due to the same type of name game played with the Norinco's.

I believe there are a couple of non-named models as well.


There's one waiting for me in Texas, should this crap with the state ever get corrected.

69Mach1
05-25-2009, 1:06 PM
Sorry guy, it was Bush 41 that banned the import of Chinese AK's, along with other firearms:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,151492,00.html

You are correct, but not for this conversation. Bush Sr. banned the importation of many named rifles, including Chinese made AK's in 1989, and thus was born "sporting use" and 922r compliance. The Chinese AK's came in after '89 in "sporting" trim with no bayo lugs, thumbhole stocks instead of pistol grips, etc. They also changed their name to MAK 90, BWK-92, Hunter, etc., making them "off list". In 1998 Clinton futher deemed the capacity to accept military high capacity magazines as a prohibited and unsporting feature. Plus he banned "Norinco and Polytech" rifles. I'm not sure if he specifically also banned arms and ammunition from China. I can't seem to find any documentation online, but I think the banning of Noinco and Polytech rifles that year may have been why people think he banned Chinese arms.

69Mach1
05-25-2009, 1:22 PM
There's some debate about that due to the same type of name game played with the Norinco's.

I believe there are a couple of non-named models as well.


There's one waiting for me in Texas, should this crap with the state ever get corrected.

Banned Valmet models:
M62S
M71S
M78S
76S
Hunter Rifle


Let me know if you run accross any off listed models. :)

69Mach1
05-25-2009, 1:45 PM
I take that back, there might be rare M72S models floating around.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d121/jmikesteen/Model72.jpg

There is also this model, but I would not be comfortable with it.
http://www.pdmall.com/1/1/2/1524.jpg

tankerman
05-25-2009, 3:24 PM
"Not comfortable with it" is where I'm at with this gun that's sitting in Texas, listed in number but doesn't has the 'S'.

Where the heck did that link for ALL the listed AW's go?

There's so much outdated stuff laying around as archives, it makes search difficult sometimes.

nav195
05-26-2009, 1:33 PM
anyone have pics?

superhondaz50
05-30-2009, 9:45 PM
Probably, but not one imported model is CA legal.

What about the Polytech AK-47S I only see the AK-47 and AKS on the list

jamesob
05-30-2009, 11:03 PM
What about the Polytech AK-47S I only see the AK-47 and AKS on the list

12276. As used in this chapter, "assault weapon" shall mean the following designated semiautomatic firearms:
(a) All of the following specified rifles:
(1) All AK series including, but not limited to, the models identified as follows:
(A) Made in China AK, AKM, AKS, AK47, AK47S, 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
(B) Norinco 56, 56S, 84S, and 86S.
(C) Poly Technologies AKS and AK47.
(D) MAADI AK47 and ARM.

ak47s is listed in the penal code not the kasler list. i think made in china is the getter here.

superhondaz50
05-30-2009, 11:27 PM
I guess that's were it gets iffy. Although the ones I see on GB are: make=polytech model=AK-47S, I assumed "made in china" are for all the other various Chinese AK's out there that have no manufacture stamped on them.

truthseeker
05-30-2009, 11:28 PM
Is this a good buy?

Also, who can I use as a middle man to make it CA compliant?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=130206641

JTROKS
05-30-2009, 11:37 PM
I have both MAK-90 and 91 - RAW, they are very good quality and I have not had any problem with any of them. Accuracy for the 91 is pretty good with quality ammo, with the iron sights I have shot 3" groups at 100 yards. I can keep most of my shots in an 8x11" target at 100 yards with both rifles.

Is this a good buy?

Also, who can I use as a middle man to make it CA compliant?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=130206641


That's one excellent buy if you can get a middleman to make it legal to bring in to CA.