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racer_X_123
05-23-2009, 11:00 PM
Do all the standard CA rules apply when carrying on NF service land? Just want to be sure and since National Parks are ok I was wondering about national forests.

GoodEyeSniper
05-23-2009, 11:09 PM
Though the legislation has passed, I don't believe the laws go into affect until February 2010. So do NOT carry in national parks.

MrClamperSir
05-23-2009, 11:40 PM
And isn't it limited to CCW holders?

odysseus
05-24-2009, 1:19 AM
Disregard.

Kid Stanislaus
05-24-2009, 5:23 AM
NATIONAL FOREST as opposed to National Parks. NF open carry is a go. For insurance I take along a hunting license and if questions are asked I'm "squirrel hunting". Of course a 4" 629 doesn't look a lot like a squirrel gun but that's one of them personal preference things!!

racer_X_123
05-24-2009, 5:43 AM
Does it have to be unloaded open carry as if i were walking along the street? Or because of the wilderness loaded open carry is ok? because if you are hunting then having to be unloaded seems kinda lame...

Bend
05-24-2009, 7:53 AM
And isn't it limited to CCW holders?

Bush's change was for CCW only. Coburn's amendment says nothing about CCW. Anything in accordance with State law is GTG. Federal facilities is still a gray area.

racer_X_123
05-24-2009, 8:57 AM
so to be on the safe side in a national forest (mot national park) I should unloaded open carry?

joeyriv
05-24-2009, 10:16 AM
You can load your openly-carried firearm if you are in an unincorporated area where discharge is not prohibited. Check with a ranger station to find the prohibited areas of the forest. You may load when not in those areas.

MudCamper
05-26-2009, 10:28 AM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=186457

LOC in some areas of NF and UOC in areas where shooting is prohibited.

sorensen440
05-26-2009, 10:38 AM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=186457

LOC in some areas of NF and UOC in areas where shooting is prohibited.
Id like to add to this by mentioning that you need to get a map that shows state game refuges prior to carrying as IIRC firearm possession in such places is illegal regardless of method of carry.

racer_X_123
05-26-2009, 10:39 AM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=186457

LOC in some areas of NF and UOC in areas where shooting is prohibited.


Thanks for the link... So seems like it would be added insurance just to UOC the whole time as then I would not have to worry about when I am in a prohibited area.

I just called the Los Padres NF office and asked what the policy was here is how the conversation went:

Me: Hello, I have a question about LOC when I am hiking in the NF.
Operator: Ok, Good question, let me check real quick, please hold.
Hold for about 90 seconds
Operator: Ok we follow the state regulations, so as long as the gun i licensed and and your not in a heavy recreational area you should be fine.
Me: what is a heavy recreational area?
Operator: Well certain places add their own restrictions to firearms so those need to be observed
Me: But it will be posted then because it is different?
Op: yes it will.
Me: So as long as I am following all state laws with regards to open carry and am not in a prohibited area and dont act like an idiot i should be ok?
Op: yeah that right.
Me: Thank you very much.

So I guess now I will just UOC when I hike their to avoid any kind of hassle.

MudCamper
05-26-2009, 11:01 AM
Id like to add to this by mentioning that you need to get a map that shows state game refuges prior to carrying as IIRC firearm possession in such places is illegal regardless of method of carry.

But state game refuges are State land, and NF are Federal land. Let's not get them mixed up. See my other thread (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=186457). Are you saying that you know of areas where the two border each other?

Thanks for the link... So seems like it would be added insurance just to UOC the whole time as then I would not have to worry about when I am in a prohibited area.

I just called the Los Padres NF office and asked what the policy was here is how the conversation went:

Me: Hello, I have a question about LOC when I am hiking in the NF.
Operator: Ok, Good question, let me check real quick, please hold.
Hold for about 90 seconds
Operator: Ok we follow the state regulations, so as long as the gun i licensed and and your not in a heavy recreational area you should be fine.
Me: what is a heavy recreational area?
Operator: Well certain places add their own restrictions to firearms so those need to be observed
Me: But it will be posted then because it is different?
Op: yes it will.
Me: So as long as I am following all state laws with regards to open carry and am not in a prohibited area and dont act like an idiot i should be ok?
Op: yeah that right.
Me: Thank you very much.

So I guess now I will just UOC when I hike their to avoid any kind of hassle.

Per 12031, you can load where shooting is not prohibited. The NF has pretty clear rules on where shooting is prohibited (http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/programs/trails/welcome.shtml): "you cannot discharge a weapon within 150 yards of any structure/development or occupied area, within or into a cave, across or on a road or body of water"

sorensen440
05-26-2009, 11:03 AM
But state game refuges are State land, and NF are Federal land. Let's not get them mixed up. See my other thread (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=186457). Are you saying that you know of areas where the two border each other?



Yes they share borders and arent always well posted (esp if your not crossing the border through the road

The one that comes to mind off the top of my head is by Beardsley Reservoir Its national forest on one side of the lake and river and State game refuge on the opposite (the bummer is the campground is on the SGF side)

racer_X_123
05-26-2009, 3:56 PM
is it legal to hunt aywhere on national forest land granted it is not a wildlife reserve or breas any of the laws insie a national forest?

MudCamper
05-26-2009, 6:42 PM
is it legal to hunt aywhere on national forest land granted it is not a wildlife reserve or breas any of the laws insie a national forest?

That may not be a simple question to answer. Of course, you can not hunt anywhere shooting is prohibited. But then you also have to make sure you are in a "zone" that hunting is allowed at the particular time. See F&G (http://www.dfg.ca.gov/) regulations (http://www.dfg.ca.gov/regulations/) for that. But you don't need to be a hunter to possess/carry/use firearms in the NF either.

racer_X_123
05-26-2009, 7:42 PM
ok thanks for that. i guess it is just up to me now to find a holster that works with while hiking.

i have a belt holster for the XD and it tightens down enough for it not to fall out, but it is at the belt and alittle hard to carry with the backpack.

and a leg holster that seems to loosen over time... guess i will try both out and see.

So as a sort of a final question... is OC in a NF less of a 'threat' to my rights as say OC in a mall or around town?

nick
05-26-2009, 8:05 PM
Per 12031, you can load where shooting is not prohibited. The NF has pretty clear rules on where shooting is prohibited (http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/programs/trails/welcome.shtml): "you cannot discharge a weapon within 150 yards of any structure/development or occupied area, within or into a cave, across or on a road or body of water"

I wonder how those public restrooms and utility closets L.A. NationalForest has so many of are classified. They are structures, and you don't normally see them until you get much closer than 150 yards to them.

Also, if one just carries a handgun (or a rifle/shotgun, but let's just say a handgun) for self-defense in a condor zone, would it still have to have lead-free ammo? For example, I don't even have a hunting license or tags.

racer_X_123
05-26-2009, 8:28 PM
good question on the lead-free ammo... what is the rules regulations on that. because if i dont have a hunting license I should not be hunting and i should not have to worry about the lead free ammo?

MudCamper
05-26-2009, 8:47 PM
So as a sort of a final question... is OC in a NF less of a 'threat' to my rights as say OC in a mall or around town?

Yes, absolutely. The NF is very gun friendly in my experience. Did you read this link (http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/programs/trails/welcome.shtml)?

good question on the lead-free ammo... what is the rules regulations on that. because if i dont have a hunting license I should not be hunting and i should not have to worry about the lead free ammo?

If you are not hunting, or don't intend to, you should stop looking for hunting related reasons to carry, or hunting restrictions that don't apply. It is perfectly legal, and perfectly normal, to carry firearms in the National Forests, unrelated to hunting. I've been carrying in the Mendocino National Forest for 20 years with no hunting license. And yes the lead ammo ban only applies to hunting.

JDay
05-26-2009, 8:49 PM
good question on the lead-free ammo... what is the rules regulations on that. because if i dont have a hunting license I should not be hunting and i should not have to worry about the lead free ammo?

Correct.