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m2hbvic
02-19-2005, 2:20 AM
Well, I guess it's official. I went to one of the local Walmarts here in town to buy some .22 ammo and noticed that the gun display cases were gone! I asked the old guy working the sporting goods counter about it and he told me that Walmart won't be selling firearms anymore here in CA!!! He said it was the CA DOJ (and their multi-million dollar fine against Walmart Corp.) that did it, not the BATF! So there you have it. I guess the Commiefornian government in Sacramento got what they wanted by cutting out CA gun sales by a BIG retailer!
Vic

m2hbvic
02-19-2005, 2:20 AM
Well, I guess it's official. I went to one of the local Walmarts here in town to buy some .22 ammo and noticed that the gun display cases were gone! I asked the old guy working the sporting goods counter about it and he told me that Walmart won't be selling firearms anymore here in CA!!! He said it was the CA DOJ (and their multi-million dollar fine against Walmart Corp.) that did it, not the BATF! So there you have it. I guess the Commiefornian government in Sacramento got what they wanted by cutting out CA gun sales by a BIG retailer!
Vic

ivanimal
02-19-2005, 3:50 AM
I hate that they did not put up a better fight. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Snorkel Bob
02-19-2005, 9:59 AM
Its hard to fight something like that. There was major violations against Wally World. And quite a few of them. The DOJ and BATFE guys love to make a point and dont back off when they got ya

Mike Searson
02-19-2005, 11:01 AM
You shouldn't be buying guns from walmart anyway.

Or ammo for that matter.

Ever wonder why there are so few gunshops left?

Find a good local guy and give him your support.
If ammo prices are too high take up reloading.

trempel_ry@yahoo.com
02-19-2005, 11:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mike Searson:
You shouldn't be buying guns from walmart anyway.

Or ammo for that matter.

Ever wonder why there are so few gunshops left?

Find a good local guy and give him your support.
If ammo prices are too high take up reloading. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
+1. I can find ammo at a gun show for the same money as Walmart. Plus, I don't need some lady behind the counter looking at me like I'm a criminal when I ask for a box of 9mm.

m2hbvic
02-19-2005, 1:23 PM
I guess that in time, the next victims on the CA DOJ list to get eliminated will ,eventually, be Turner's Outdoorsman, Big 5, and then all the mom & pop gun shops. That's what the Feinstein, Boxer, Perata, Koretz, Schwarzeneggar, etc. butt buddies and all the other *****holes in the state capitol in Sacramento want in the end, isn't it???? No gun sales in CA??? No guns at all in CA??? Then no ammo in CA??? Then no ammo reloading components in CA??? How many times have all of you read in a catalog "NOT FOR SALE IN CA", or "NOT AVAILABLE IN CA", or "CANNOT BE SHIPPED TO CA"???????????
Vic

dwtt
02-19-2005, 1:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by m2hbvic:
I guess that in time, the next victims on the CA DOJ list to get eliminated will ,eventually, be Turner's Outdoorsman, Big 5, and then all the mom & pop gun shops. That's what the Feinstein, Boxer, Perata, Koretz, Schwarzeneggar, etc. butt buddies and all the other *****holes in the state capitol in Sacramento want in the end, isn't it???? No gun sales in CA??? No guns at all in CA??? Then no ammo in CA??? Then no ammo reloading components in CA??? How many times have all of you read in a catalog "NOT FOR SALE IN CA", or "NOT AVAILABLE IN CA", or "CANNOT BE SHIPPED TO CA"???????????
Vic </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Vic, you're preaching to the choir, but what are you personally doing about it? I used to be like some people on this group who would complain bout stuff, and do nothing. No I am no longer going to sit around while those butt waste in Sacramento take away our constitutional rights. So, if you ask me what I'm going to do about this, I'm starting by having a table at the Cow Palace gun show and trying to raise opposition to the SF gun ban and support for AB448. I don't know what will come next, but I do know the gun show won't be the last thing I do about the problem we have here in CA. So Vic, when are you going to have a table at your local gun show or go around to local gun stores with literature for them to hand out to their customers?

shooterx10
02-19-2005, 4:33 PM
Wallyword has some pretty good prices on shotgun ammo by the bulk (shot, buck, and slugs). This is definitely a help to someone who shoots any shotgun sport (skeet, trap, clays, or 3-gun) or hunts but doesn't want to invest in a Dillon, RCBS, or Mec [?] shotshell reloading machine.

So, despite the fact that Walmart no longer sells guns, you can buy other shooting sport equipment (i.e. binoculars, hunting clothing), ammunition, or shooting accessories (i.e. scopes, scope rings, slings). I find them to be fairly matched to any gun show vendor or online gun retailer.

qualityrockola
02-19-2005, 8:16 PM
The ONLY thing that i ever buy at walmart is bulk shotgun shells and shooting clays. their prices are just too darn good on those items to pass up. I do make it a very big point to do business with local shops for as much stuff as i can afford, scopes, guns, other high $$$ items. Ive given waaaaay more money to them than i have to walmart.

HEWA195@CS.COM
02-20-2005, 1:04 AM
I wouldn't mind buying from a local shop -if we had one. There is one in the next town over ,but he is just way too high price wise. I can get a Ruger Red lable for $500 less than what he is asking. Ammo is way up there also. I do most of my shopping at the gun shows now.

jon.ocab@gmail.com
02-22-2005, 2:10 PM
Wal-Mart is evil incarnate. I don't think Wal-Mart is evil because they are killing the mom and pop business, but because they are killing the supplier. If a manufacturer isn't willing to sell units to Wal-mart for dirt cheap, they'll find someone else who will make a similar product for cheaper and buy from them. This threat to not carry their products forces manufacturers to find ways to cut costs, and that often means going overseas for production.

ivanimal
02-22-2005, 2:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Its hard to fight something like that. There was major violations against Wally World. And quite a few of them. The DOJ and BATFE guys love to make a point and dont back off when they got ya </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is true but to just back off with no reply to the Government of we will train better, we will be good boys, anything with their clout they just rolled over and played dead. They are in arnolds back pocket as a contributer they were second to none. That is why they are looking at time of for lunch and breaks. Not because its fair its because wallyworld needs it. I have from a labor relations lawyer that this is only the begining for them. Why fight so hard for this and not that. I know the BATF is dilligent but imagine the power that went unweilded by the wallyworld empire. Like K-mart it was easier to back down. Rant over.

Snorkel Bob
02-22-2005, 2:33 PM
I totally understand your rant. I deal with this stuff every day. Walmart is just watching themselves, they had to pay $14 million to CA DOJ because they couldnt keep their stores inline. Well there is not enough of a profit on firearms to put up with that B.S.
Walmart is not in the market to make sure we keep our rights, they are around to make money. If they wont make the money for the time involved in all the firearms training/sales then they wont do it. And trust me there is ALOT of man-hours used per firearm sold.

Ford8N
02-22-2005, 4:52 PM
My store front FFL said it's almost not worth the effort to sell new guns. He said the money is in used guns.

Ratters
02-22-2005, 8:12 PM
I have no problem with them stopping sales. Tri City used to be an AWESOME place to shop for guns, but they gave it up because it was more hassle than it was worth.

I hope they keep selling ammo though. I pretty much get all of my 9 and .40 from their value packs.

stillbigmac
02-23-2005, 10:45 AM
Pssst tri cities employees were robbing them blind......

You can only submit so many missing gun reports before your license is in jepordy...

Tri city quit selling guns becuse their board was anti gun and anti hunting,,,there employees were stealing or selling guns out the back door...

They used to claim the Fremont passed a tax law that forced them out of the gun business..

Guns are what got tri city sporting goods in business and they turned their back on it.. now it looks like their selluing out all together.

icormba
02-23-2005, 1:33 PM
stupid Tri City!
last time I was there I spent 20 minutes with a guy trying to find me snowboard binding screws when he finally went to his manager who said they didn't have any left. Walked about a mile back to the front of the store and on my way out... they had a whole rack of them at the register!

oh well... the whole trip to Fremont wasn't a waste... I stopped by BigMac's shop and bought 3 SKS's that day!

Blue
03-19-2005, 10:04 AM
They still have all of their firearms locked up in the back. I was talking with the guy that runs sporting goods and he said that Walmarts computer system knocks the price down on anything that isn't selling thats in the inventory. He said the Mini 14's were down to $200 and the 10/22's were down to $75 bucks!!! I tried to talk him into selling me the whole collection and having my FFL pick them up and do all the paperwork but he said no. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif I don't know what they plan on doing with all of the guns but its a waste to have them locked up!

03-20-2005, 10:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Blue84s10:
They still have all of their firearms locked up in the back. I was talking with the guy that runs sporting goods and he said that Walmarts computer system knocks the price down on anything that isn't selling thats in the inventory. He said the Mini 14's were down to $200 and the 10/22's were down to $75 bucks!!! I tried to talk him into selling me the whole collection and having my FFL pick them up and do all the paperwork but he said no. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif I don't know what they plan on doing with all of the guns but its a waste to have them locked up! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I doubt that a company as huge as Walmart is buying it's firearms from distributors since the reason they can offer cut-throat prices is based upon buying direct from manufacturers on other items. If this is indeed the case, it's likely that Walmart, with all of it's mega-uber-buying power, will flex it's corporate muscle and make the manufacturers simply buy back their unsold product. However, most will probably end up being sent out of state to be sold in their other stores since that's still an option.
You're not likely going to score a bunch of Minis for $200 a piece. Walmart isn't stupid.

Trader Jack
03-20-2005, 12:14 PM
There is more then meets the eye as far as Walmart leaving the gun business in California.

Think about what Walmart is trying to do in California, then think about the opposition they are getting from many cites and county's as well as the voting public. Now consider what Walmmarts chances would be to accomplish what they are trying to do if they were to fight the DOJ? If Walmart is able to build what they want to build, there bottom line could increase as much as 15% while loosing the gun business only causes a decrees in the bottom line of .000005% in terms of dollars to Walmart, the loss of the guns is less then $2 million but the gain on the super stores would be better then $100 Million.
What would do????

freonr22
03-20-2009, 2:23 AM
There is more then meets the eye as far as Walmart leaving the gun business in California.

Think about what Walmart is trying to do in California, then think about the opposition they are getting from many cites and county's as well as the voting public. Now consider what Walmmarts chances would be to accomplish what they are trying to do if they were to fight the DOJ? If Walmart is able to build what they want to build, there bottom line could increase as much as 15% while loosing the gun business only causes a decrees in the bottom line of .000005% in terms of dollars to Walmart, the loss of the guns is less then $2 million but the gain on the super stores would be better then $100 Million.
What would do????


I was perusing the old threads, and this was in the first few pages of general discussion.

Well how far have we come in general/laws/economy/Pricing/Public Attitudes since 2005?

Maybe my post is stupid, But just trying to see the progress thats been made in general since Calguns inception

eccvets
03-20-2009, 3:02 AM
You shouldn't be buying guns from walmart anyway.

Or ammo for that matter.

Ever wonder why there are so few gunshops left?

Find a good local guy and give him your support.
If ammo prices are too high take up reloading.

Screw that! cheap ammo is cheap ammo no matter how you cut it!

AlliedArmory
03-20-2009, 3:18 AM
until the "local guy" brings realistic prices, i will buy online and from wallyworld

to stay on topic, i dont know of any wallyworlds local to me that sell guns anyways

SIP2000GLO
03-20-2009, 4:12 AM
Ever wonder why there are so few gunshops left?



Yes, they sell you a gun and throw in KY lube and an apple at no charge!

Almost every gun I've seen locally is between $150 to $300 higher than other places.

Who the hell is gonna support that?

Now, do you know why they had to close up shop?

Midian
03-20-2009, 6:30 AM
Well, luckily here in Ventura where I live we have two cool small gun shops, the wonderfully friendly Uncle Paul's Exchange and a place just down the street from me I finally visited yesterday called William's Shooters Service. They actually have some nice guns in there. There's a black Para 1911 that's stupid tight.

WalMart out here is like stepping into Guatemala, all you need is live chickens and goats to finish the picture. It's a heinous experience to begin with, so add that to the fact that the largest retailer on Earth is apparently happily going along with the overall plan to disarm the American public, they just don't deserve any of my soon to be shipwrecked US Dollars.

They obviously don't need us. They obviously don't want us. I feel the same way about WalMart.

CSACANNONEER
03-20-2009, 6:36 AM
WalMart out here is like stepping into Guatemala, all you need is live chickens and goats to finish the picture.

Shop at the Simi store instead.

high_revs
03-20-2009, 8:47 AM
Wal-Mart is evil incarnate. I don't think Wal-Mart is evil because they are killing the mom and pop business, but because they are killing the supplier. If a manufacturer isn't willing to sell units to Wal-mart for dirt cheap, they'll find someone else who will make a similar product for cheaper and buy from them.

All of us are accountable in this. If you don't buy from Walmart or always want lowest prices, Walmarts and all would not exist. But because people want lower prices....

All the videos about how Walmart is potrayed shows it's all driven by Walmart Corp. But really, they're responding to what people want - low prices.

Back on topic, sucks that Wally world didn't put more of a fight. This is continued problem we face in PRK.

Ironchef
03-20-2009, 9:01 AM
I decided to take a stand against Walmart for ammo..not that they have any..even here in MT.

I will only buy ammo from my local gun shop or sporting goods store..and online if nobody has ammo.

The only time I shop in walmart (even when in CA) was because money talks and babies need clothes and stuff.

Black Majik
03-20-2009, 9:03 AM
I was perusing the old threads, and this was in the first few pages of general discussion.

Well how far have we come in general/laws/economy/Pricing/Public Attitudes since 2005?

Maybe my post is stupid, But just trying to see the progress thats been made in general since Calguns inception

We've gone pretty damn far since 2005. But around the time of the original thread, every Calgunner haven't even mumbled the words "two weeks" yet.

I'd say we've made some great progress.

gun toting monkeyboy
03-20-2009, 9:19 AM
Ahhhhhhhh! Zombie post! Kill it! Kill it!!!


Dude, the local gun shops get my support when they ain't trying to rape me blind. I don't want to part with any more of my hard-earned money than I have to. And the local shops still try to treat me like I am an idiot, and have never heard of the internet. Their prices invariably suck. And when I can go to my local Wally World and buy the EXACT same product for half the price, I do. If they can't compete, too freakin bad. There are independent FFLs that I can use, and I don't have to put up with salesmen trying to tell me that the same gun I can get online for $400 is worth the $900 they are charging at their store. Simply because they are the only dealer in town that has it. Duh. There is a reason they are going out of business.

As for Wally World and guns, they had too much exposure to ATF problems because they had a few emploees at some of their stores that were selling guns and not doing the paperwork right. Considering that they were only making about 5% on the sale of firearms, it wasn't worth the potenial fines and agrevation. I don't really blame them. They made, and still make about 90-150% profit on ammo. And just for the record, I got the last gun out of them here in CA. I had a Remington 700 on layaway for $350 when the hammer came down. It took me over a year and a half of arguing with them, but I eventually got it. Or rather, they got it for me. They went to the local gun shop, and paid them for a new Model 700, and had them transfer it to me. Their total cost? Over $700. My total? Less than $300.

-Mb

mcsoupman
03-20-2009, 9:24 AM
I am sad to hear about Wallyworld. They are part of the economic diversity we have (at least for a little while). Cool thing is, if you hate them, you can go somewhere else. You might even be able to convince your friends to do the same. Enough people listen and viola! They have to pay attention and change, or someone else will see the need and step it up to meet the need. Isn't free market capitalizm amazing? I think that is exactly what PRKarms is trying to do. Nobody would touch those extreme gun options so they went for it. Love it!

Ok so enough of us complaining. We need to get some organization stuff going on. Is the NRA doing anything to mobilize us here in CA? I am very green to this arena because I just got involved since the beginning of the year. Just like almost everyone here, I am afraid that we are coming to a point where our 2A rights almost gone.

Somebody educate me, what do we need to do to start getting our message out?

RobG
03-20-2009, 9:32 AM
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u155/RobG5538/necropost.jpg

When I can buy 100 rounds of 45 at a gun store for 30.00, I will. Until then, its WW, when they have it:p

CALI-gula
03-20-2009, 10:04 AM
Walmart who? What's a Walmart?

Somewhere around 2/2005 I had suddenly... never heard of them.

:confused:

valleyguy
03-20-2009, 10:13 AM
Shop at the Simi store instead.

Yeah, the Oxnard Walmart (I'm assuming that is the one most local to Ventura) is atrocious, by far the worst Walmart I've even been to. Simi is much better. They really need to add more Walmarts to the Oxnard/Ventura area -- that one is above capacity, and not managed well. The store layout is terrible, aisles crowded, and watch out on Welfare check weekends!

The one thing I will say though is that the employees I deal with were quite nice, considering their work environment.

GP3
03-20-2009, 10:15 AM
My local WalMart doesn't sell guns/ammo.

F WalMart.

RobG
03-20-2009, 10:36 AM
My local WalMart doesn't seel guns/ammo.
F WalMart.

Probably more to do with county regs than WM.

Oh, and sucks to be you man:p

Black Majik
03-20-2009, 10:37 AM
Walmart who? What's a Walmart?

Somewhere around 2/2005 I had suddenly... never heard of them.

:confused:

All the Walmart threads got buried under all the Turners threads.

Kid Stanislaus
03-20-2009, 11:14 AM
You shouldn't be buying guns from walmart anyway. Or ammo for that matter. Ever wonder why there are so few gunshops left? Find a good local guy and give him your support.

Precisely, outfits like Wal-Mart were skimming the cream off the top and leaving the local shops with the rest. Give me a small, locally owned gun store any day over the big chains.

Jpach
03-20-2009, 12:50 PM
Walmart should make up for their lack of guns with TONS of ammo

Maddog5150
03-20-2009, 6:30 PM
Ahhhhhhhh! Zombie post! Kill it! Kill it!!!




:rofl2:

Keeeeeeeel it! shoot it in the head! Who brought this four year old post back up? Git a rope!!!

gun toting monkeyboy
03-21-2009, 7:12 PM
Precisely, outfits like Wal-Mart were skimming the cream off the top and leaving the local shops with the rest. Give me a small, locally owned gun store any day over the big chains.

You know, everybody bashes Walmart, and whines about supporting your local mom and pop store. Where exactly is the logic in that? The loacl Mom and Pop store has been raping the local populace for as long as they have been open. They rarely do ANYTHING to instill us with a sense of loyalty. Aside from being the only people who carry item X or ammunition Z in that particular area. And now that we have the internet, they are doing everything in their power to keep us from taking advantage of lower prices elsewhere. Screw them. Let them go under if they can't evolve to the new market. I'm not going to keep them afloat just so they can keep leaning me over a barrel. If they go under, who cares? There are independent FFLs out there who have great service, and are more than happy to transfer anything I feel like bringing into the state, provided it's legal. Boo-hoo, I have to pay shipping and $50-60 for a transfer. That is still far cheaper than the great prices the Mom and Pop tried to stick me with. Walmart offers ammo at half the price of any of the other stores in my area. Until the local stores can come close to that, Wally World is going to continue to get my cash.

-Mb

Springfield45
03-21-2009, 7:26 PM
What ever happened to the good old days were businesses had excellent customer service? Most mom and pop stores seem to not care what the customer wants, but yet they ***** and wine when people take their money elsewhere.

I wish Walmart would start selling guns here again.

Bobotheclown
03-21-2009, 8:33 PM
Walmart got dinged for "violations included selling to people prohibited from owning guns, selling guns before waiting for a criminal background check, failing to identify the buyer's identity, and allowing people to make "straw purchases" on behalf of another person prohibited from owning guns."

7222 Hawker
03-22-2009, 12:17 AM
Screw that! cheap ammo is cheap ammo no matter how you cut it!

Wal Mart doesn't even sell ammo in most of the Bay Area. Don't think it will be long before they cave in the rest of the state.

7222 Hawker
03-22-2009, 12:20 AM
You know, everybody bashes Walmart, and whines about supporting your local mom and pop store. Where exactly is the logic in that? The loacl Mom and Pop store has been raping the local populace for as long as they have been open. They rarely do ANYTHING to instill us with a sense of loyalty. Aside from being the only people who carry item X or ammunition Z in that particular area. And now that we have the internet, they are doing everything in their power to keep us from taking advantage of lower prices elsewhere. Screw them. Let them go under if they can't evolve to the new market. I'm not going to keep them afloat just so they can keep leaning me over a barrel. If they go under, who cares? There are independent FFLs out there who have great service, and are more than happy to transfer anything I feel like bringing into the state, provided it's legal. Boo-hoo, I have to pay shipping and $50-60 for a transfer. That is still far cheaper than the great prices the Mom and Pop tried to stick me with. Walmart offers ammo at half the price of any of the other stores in my area. Until the local stores can come close to that, Wally World is going to continue to get my cash.

-Mb

Agree. I saw Varget at Castro Valley gun shop for $220 for an 8 lb jug. No way! Thats a screw job and I won't pay it. I would love to support my local shops, if they support me and the rest of thier client base.

yellowfin
03-22-2009, 12:44 AM
Ever wonder why there are so few gunshops left? From what I gather it's:

1. Single parent homes--guess which one gets the kids, and what percentage of them are firearms friendly.
2. Video games, home entertainment, and other stuff that keeps people in the house for their recreation
3. City councils being outright nasty to anyone requesting a business license for them
4. Insurance costs going through the roof
5. DOJ witch hunts
6. The safe list KILLING the pistol market
7. Large percentage of gun shop employees and owners being jerks as a result of stress and anger due to the hassle of idiotic laws and often less than friendly people
8. State taxes on businesses of any kind
9. Stigma--too many people would rather admit they went to a strip club, possibly of a sexuality they don't subscribe to, than to a gun store--that isn't healthy for ANY business
10. Escalating costs of advertising--try getting your message out competing for airtime with Anheiser Busch, Geico, etc. It ain't fun.

Wally World is far from a problem in the grand scheme of things. In fact, it's a catastrophic loss. What California lost is the first time gun owners who Walmart can and does bring to market. No gun shop of any kind gets even 1/1000th the foot traffic Walmart gets. Given the DOJ's slant from hell, I can almost guarantee you they wanted to bring down Walmart for the sake of killing off the public exposure to firearms and almost nothing more. That's the biggest win they could get. :mad: Coming from out of state, I can't really wrap my mind around the idea of a Walmart not selling guns, but then also the fact that no new firearms are cash and carry in this state---again, something that should have NEVER BEEN LET HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE (but I won't get into that)--it kind of defeats the point anyway.

wernst
03-22-2009, 11:05 PM
You know,

When local gun stores are buying up all the ammo from a Wal Mart, cleaning them out in the process, and then start re-selling it in their own store at a jacked-up price, I have a hard time feeling sorry for them. It's a big "F U" to all of us.

-Warr