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winwithagrin
02-25-2005, 9:55 PM
I'm turning 21 this year and I've saved up for many long years to buy my first handgun.

However, I was at Turner's the other day and noticed a sign that said that handgun sales had to have proof of CA residency by:
1) military orders
2) apartment lease
3) house deed
4) utility bill

Here's my problem:
1) i'm not in the military
2) i live with my friends (go to college) and i'm not actually on the lease myself. resigning the lease to add my name would raise the rent considerably
3) i don't own any houses
4) my name isn't on any of the utility bills, and even if it were, my drivers license has my family's home address, not my college apartment's address

Is there anything I can do? Or do I have to wait until I get my own place?

Any info appreciated. Thanks!

winwithagrin
02-25-2005, 9:55 PM
I'm turning 21 this year and I've saved up for many long years to buy my first handgun.

However, I was at Turner's the other day and noticed a sign that said that handgun sales had to have proof of CA residency by:
1) military orders
2) apartment lease
3) house deed
4) utility bill

Here's my problem:
1) i'm not in the military
2) i live with my friends (go to college) and i'm not actually on the lease myself. resigning the lease to add my name would raise the rent considerably
3) i don't own any houses
4) my name isn't on any of the utility bills, and even if it were, my drivers license has my family's home address, not my college apartment's address

Is there anything I can do? Or do I have to wait until I get my own place?

Any info appreciated. Thanks!

imported_kyoung05
02-25-2005, 10:14 PM
I'm in the same boat as you, except I had utility bills in my name during college, but after moving back home everything is in my parents' name. If you have your car registered to you, you can use your vehicle registration as proof of residency. I was also thinking about switching the phone bill into my name for a month then switching it back. Then it'd be good for 3 months.

gimmejr
02-25-2005, 10:44 PM
Not free to transfer your phone bill into and out of your name, I think you should just stick with the car registration, its what i do too.

imported_kyoung05
02-25-2005, 11:53 PM
Well my car is registered to my parents, and I don't think it's free to transfer that in and out either. Any idea how much SBC would charge for the transfer? (When I spoke to them, they never mentioned any sort of charge)

winwithagrin
02-26-2005, 1:09 AM
Um... another thing... we don't actually have a phone. It's all very complicated. I dunno when I'm gonna get a car either. Man, why won't just the driver's license do?

stealthmode
02-26-2005, 1:09 AM
what else can you use besiedes the above mentioned

all i have is car registration and have been using that. i also have C&R license i think that would work also.

MadMex
02-26-2005, 4:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by s:
what else can you use besiedes the above mentioned
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please tell me that all of you are registered to vote.

rkt88edmo
02-26-2005, 5:50 AM
Someone previously had asked about using a notarized letter from a landlord regarding residency. If your parents live in CA are willing to admit/swear an oath that you live with them, and Turner's will accept it, perhaps that would help you.

Otony
02-26-2005, 7:47 AM
I use my proof of auto insurance. No question has ever been raised.

toolman9000
02-26-2005, 8:13 AM
Auto insurance should not be accepted, if your FFL gets audited they can be in some deep doo.

A cable tv or Direct tv bill works as well... If you get a notorized letter from your landlord stating that you live at your current address and your DL matches...you are good to go - or just get your name on the lease, that way you won't be a squater anymore.

If you still lived with your parents then the notorized letter work good in that situation.

If in doubt call the DOJ, they are really nice when it comes to answering questions.

-toolman9000

Mike Searson
02-26-2005, 8:14 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kyoung05:
Any idea how much SBC would charge for the transfer? (When I spoke to them, they never mentioned any sort of charge) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's because there is no charge.

winwithagrin
02-26-2005, 11:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MadMex:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by s:
what else can you use besiedes the above mentioned
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please tell me that all of you are registered to vote. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

d. “Other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice” means
either of the following:
1. A government-issued (city, county, special district, state, or federal)
document, other than a California Driver License or California
Identification Card, that bears the individual’s name and current residential
address.
A. The government-issued document must be dated within three
months of the current date.
B. The residential address on the government-issued document must
match both of the following:
i. The individual’s current residential address as declared on
the Dealer’s Record of Sale (DROS) form.
ii. The individual’s address as it appears on his or her
California Driver License or California Identification Card,
or change of address attachment thereto.
2. A valid peace officer credential issued by a California law enforcement
agency to an active, reserve, or retired peace officer.

I guess you'd have to reregister to vote and buy a gun within three months.

imported_kyoung05
02-26-2005, 5:31 PM
What about a W2 form? That is a government issued document with my address on it. I am registered to vote, but I don't have an actual card stating such. I was really looking into where to get one, but never found an answer. Short of a C&R permit (which I was briefly considering), I don't really have any other options left except changing our phone service into my name for a while and changing it back.

stealthmode
02-26-2005, 6:24 PM
of course im registered to vote. that makes me wonder how many people here dont.

Code10
02-26-2005, 6:42 PM
Does a cell phone bill count? I'm in the same boat as everybody else is in?

Bryan Whited
02-26-2005, 9:05 PM
Cell phone bills do not work.

CraigC
02-26-2005, 11:45 PM
Get a notarized letter from your parents stating that you live at their address. For you it's the easiest thing to get.

Unless of course, your parents are the type who freak out at the knowledge that you're buying a gun. They will naturally ask what it's for, so you need to have an answer ready.

If they are the freaking out type, you should just get a utility bill signed up in your name. Power, water, land-line phone.

toolman9000
02-26-2005, 11:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kyoung05:
What about a W2 form? That is a government issued document with my address on it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

A W2 is not sent to you by the government, I went through this with a customer and he couldn't understand why it wouldn't work - I finally had him talk to the DOJ and they finally got him to accept that he could not buy a handgun in the state of California.

imported_kyoung05
02-27-2005, 12:06 AM
Yea, I just realized that the W2's are sent out by employers, not the government. I guess I'll have to switch one of the utilities to my name for a while. Cell-phone bills are not acceptable because it has to be a land-based utility. Oh, what about voter registration cards? Where can I get one of those? I registered to vote in the last general election last Novembers, but they never sent me any sort of card. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

NorCalGuy
02-27-2005, 12:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Patrick:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MadMex:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by s:
what else can you use besiedes the above mentioned
d. “Other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice” means
either of the following:
1. A government-issued (city, county, special district, state, or federal)
document, other than a California Driver License or California
Identification Card, that bears the individual’s name and current residential
address.
A. The government-issued document must be dated within three
months of the current date.
B. The residential address on the government-issued document must
match both of the following:
i. The individual’s current residential address as declared on
the Dealer’s Record of Sale (DROS) form.
ii. The individual’s address as it appears on his or her
California Driver License or California Identification Card,
or change of address attachment thereto.
2. A valid peace officer credential issued by a California law enforcement
agency to an active, reserve, or retired peace officer.

I guess you'd have to reregister to vote and buy a gun within three months. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Does this mean auto registration won't work unless dated within the last three months?

toolman9000
02-27-2005, 10:16 AM
Valid car reg. works.... and is usually the easiest since it's in the car all the time.

I just remembered one thing that does work is your income tax refund check (if you get one) it is a bona-fied governmant document... you don't need to bring in the actual check since the stub has your name, address, date and the IRS junk on it. But, it's only valid for three months from the date on the stub.

http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

-toolman9000

CWatson
02-27-2005, 11:04 AM
Go to Office Depot and get a pack of residentual leases,about $5.00 for ten. If you live with friends have them fill it out,they do charge you rent right? If living with parents have them fill it out.

You are not lieing because you do live with them.

CW

jlk@ucla.edu
03-08-2005, 10:07 AM
Voter Reg works. It's a state or county issued form with your legal name and residential address.

If they have a doubt, get them to check the DOJ site for acceptable forms.

Code10
03-19-2005, 6:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Go to Office Depot and get a pack of residentual leases,about $5.00 for ten. If you live with friends have them fill it out,they do charge you rent right? If living with parents have them fill it out. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

CWatson do you make the notarized affidavit to the state or the gunshop? Thanks for the information you saved me a lot of hassle...

Blue
03-20-2005, 8:02 AM
Why not have the local police department send you an application for a job?
"1. A government-issued (city, county, special district, state, or federal)
document, other than a California Driver License or California
Identification Card, that bears the individual’s name and current residential
address.
"

Cali-Glock
03-29-2005, 2:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Otony:
I use my proof of auto insurance. No question has ever been raised. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I sold my roomate a pistol. At the time my house was the only California residence/address he had ever had and he had no utilities in his name. Even after he moved out he kept my address as his legal address until he joined the military. They accepted my letter stating that I was his "landlord".

monkey
04-07-2005, 4:17 PM
Whatever you do, you don't want to do something "temporary" like changing a phone bill into your name for 3 months, then switch it back after you get the gun. There are several felonies that will acrue like falling dominoes by doing this: Perjury, intent to illegally acquire, illegal transfer of, etc. Whatever it is, make it long-term: Car registration, landlord letter, etc.

50 Freak
04-08-2005, 3:49 AM
I just use my CCW permit. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Code10
04-08-2005, 9:52 AM
Would a California Guard Card Work?

CWatson
04-09-2005, 11:31 AM
Stefan,

I do not think you have to have a copy of your lease noterized.

CW