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jwest
05-19-2009, 3:24 PM
Hello Calgnunners,

Sorry if this is a dupe or if I've already disappointed some of you by not doing my due diligence on previous research. I am not a 2nd amendment law professional and am asking here for that reason.

Does the 'IRS Gun Tax and Registration Bill' - aka SB 2099 - have any teeth?

-also-

I've heard today about the military requiring some sort of registration of all privately owned weapons - I guess that may not be 100% true - even though I think I heard today to the contrary.

I also heard that the IRS will require some sort of competency test to be able to keep/own firearms - and that is part of SB 2099. This would effectively turn a right into a priviledge if this is true.

Respectfully asking, what is the 'correct' procedure that those in the know or loop follow to find out if these sort of things are fact or fiction? I wonder how many will say check snopes.com .

TIA,
jwest

Texas Boy
05-19-2009, 3:30 PM
This appears to be a very old urban legend - going back to 2000. See
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/s/sb2099.htm

jwest
05-19-2009, 11:24 PM
Military Personnel Ordered To Comply With Illegal Private Gun Registration

An alarming document sent to us by an Infantryman based out of Fort Campbell Kentucky shows that active duty military personnel are being secretly ordered to submit information to their Chain of Command on how many firearms they own privately, their location, as well of details of any Concealed Carry permits.

JerryM
05-20-2009, 12:40 AM
If you live on post, your CO can tell you more or less what to do (to include permission to keep your weapons on post). If you live in barracks, you have to keep your privately owned weapons in the arms room (so by default, they will know).

I am in the National Guard, and there is nothing they can do about it, nor did I get a request/order enumerating my private property.

Librarian
05-20-2009, 12:45 AM
Jwest, you even posted in the thread on military registration:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=184772
No, that's not a general requirement, and the Fort Campbell thing (http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/campbell.asp) was an over-reach by a single unit commander.

As to 'SB 2099', thomas.gov does not show any current bill with that number, nor does a search back through the 101st Congress show any bill with that number and the word "gun" in it.

Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/taxreturns.asp) says
Origins: The item quoted above about a pending Congressional bill requiring gun
owners to list their guns on federal income tax is both outdated and contains
good deal of misinformation. The referenced bill, SB 2099 (the Handgun Safety
and Registration Act) is not currently before Congress — it was introduced to the
Senate back in February 2000 (not 2009), and it was referred to the Committee
on Finance, where it languished without ever coming to a vote. It also had no
provisions for requiring handgun owners to list their guns on federal income tax
returns.
The Mikkelsons (David and Barbara) are occasionally slightly political, but almost always very good researchers and documenters of Urban Legends.

TenSeven
05-20-2009, 2:15 AM
Hello Calgnunners,

...the IRS will require some sort of competency test to be able to keep/own firearms


Well, we do already have this in CA... the HSC test. Once you pass it, it only good for 1 year, right (I do not know, have never taken it)? Also, the test is not free, which looks just like a poll tax to me.

Can anyone imagine the outcry if the politicians tried to pass legislation requiring people to pass a competency test in order to say/write/type what they think or to be able to vote? That would float like a lead brick.

I still cannot get over the fact that we do not have to show ID when voting.