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glockwise2000
05-18-2009, 6:44 PM
When did CA banned the F/A ARs or M16s for civilians? I know that there used to be owners in the 80s' but I haven't seen them in the ranges lately. Were they shipped or gotten rid of from this state? Anyone here who still owns them?

Quiet
05-18-2009, 7:20 PM
When did CA banned the F/A ARs or M16s for civilians? I know that there used to be owners in the 80s' but I haven't seen them in the ranges lately. Were they shipped or gotten rid of from this state? Anyone here who still owns them?

MGs are not banned in CA.

I believe the majority of pre-'86 MGs are located in CA. Too bad they are all in the hands of prop masters that work in the movie/TV industry.

In order to get a MG in CA, you first need to get a Dangerous Weapons Permit/License. Which is near impossible to get, unless you work in the movie/TV industry and/or you have lots of $$$$$.

Electric Factory
05-18-2009, 8:09 PM
In order to get a MG in CA, you first need to get a Dangerous Weapons Permit/License. Which is near impossible to get, unless you work in the movie/TV industry and/or you have lots of $$$$$.

Read, '.... lots of $$$$$.'

DB2
05-18-2009, 8:14 PM
They're still here. your typical range will flip out just at the sight of one. They are rare to begin with, add Ca to the equation and you get almost non-existant.

Other NFA items are still here too. ;p

Josh3239
05-18-2009, 8:26 PM
Machine guns can no longer be manufactuered after March 19, 1986 says the US government. Pre-bans can be had, in CA it only applies if your rich, famous, and making movies :mad:

Crawfish141
05-18-2009, 9:19 PM
They're still here. your typical range will flip out just at the sight of one. They are rare to begin with, add Ca to the equation and you get almost non-existant.

Other NFA items are still here too. ;p

What types? I never knew.

DirtRacer151
05-18-2009, 9:31 PM
Read, '.... lots of $$$$$.'

exactly how much is lots of $$$$$$? i have an idea :p jk No seriously what does this cost just for kicks?

Quiet
05-18-2009, 9:37 PM
exactly how much is lots of $$$$$$? i have an idea :p jk No seriously what does this cost just for kicks?

There are many steps/hoops you need to take/jump.

First step/hoop will cost you $372.
Step/hoop #1 = Dangerous Weapons Permit/License application.

If you can't past the first step, then the rest does not matter.

Travis8128
05-18-2009, 9:39 PM
so wait,

Its possible to legally have a fully auto if you have the dough?

gunsmithcats
05-18-2009, 9:42 PM
Ive met a few old geezers/timers that have actual registered machine guns. had to blink a couple times to believe it. I didn't want to hassle them with too many questions, so i just asked and watch. that was in 2001 mind you, no idea if theyre even still alive. One guy I did talk to a couple times lived in cali since the 60's, and IIRC, california banned straight civillian NFA back in the 80's. Been a longggg time to have them amnested in....

Josh3239
05-18-2009, 9:45 PM
so wait,

Its possible to legally have a fully auto if you have the dough?

Not in CA. The DOJ won't give you the permit.

uzigalil
05-18-2009, 9:55 PM
Also We have 02/07 License holders who are not movie people who legally posses Mg's, suppressors,DD's etc. These people generally are Law enforcement/Military Armament dealers, One I know of is in Beverly HIls

Jicko
05-18-2009, 9:59 PM
Not in CA. The DOJ won't give you the permit.

Purchase a "movie industry's firearm consultant company".

Or..... buy out Surefire.... they are right here in CA.... :D

glockwise2000
05-18-2009, 10:22 PM
Surefire. If they are in CA, how come they can not even manufacture a 10/30 magazines for alternate to the Saiga rifles from Izhmash. An outside dealer or whoever has to buy and modify it themselves.

lazyworm
05-18-2009, 10:38 PM
wait... I thought I once read that most FA firearms in CA are actually in the hands of police depts.

Josh3239
05-18-2009, 10:41 PM
Even police have a hard time getting NFA in California, it as as Bill Wiese calls it "unobtanium".

lazyworm
05-18-2009, 10:45 PM
why? dept owned FA is just paper work. They're not bound by the 1986 rule.
They can get and register new FAs.

Barney Gumble
05-18-2009, 10:50 PM
Machine guns can no longer be manufactuered after March 19, 1986 says the US government.
No. They are still being manufactured (think about it) but those made after 1986 cannot be transferred to regular civilians.

That's why a pre-86 M16 costs $15,000 to a civilian (in a free state) but a police department can buy a full-auto Colt M4 for $1500.

Josh3239
05-18-2009, 10:55 PM
why? dept owned FA is just paper work. They're not bound by the 1986 rule.
They can get and register new FAs.

I thought that the DOJ issues 2 different permits for AWs and NFA. I remember having this talk with Bill Wiese on ARF about this. LE is not bound by the '86 rule but in CA they need the DOJ's permission. If I remember right, Bill told me that AWs are easy for LE to get, NFA isn't.

No. They are still being manufactured (think about it) but those made after 1986 cannot be transferred to regular civilians.

That's why a pre-86 M16 costs $15,000 to a civilian (in a free state) but a police department can buy a full-auto Colt M4 for $1500.

Should have added that. But to be fair I was answering a question about ownership by a non-government employee.

gtmmark
05-18-2009, 10:55 PM
My dad worked for a subsidiary of a armored car company through the 70's and 80's they had a few M16A1's and a boatload of Thompsons, I sent thousands of rounds downrange with some of them when I was kid.

Ishoot
05-18-2009, 10:57 PM
My dad worked for a subsidiary of a armored car company through the 70's and 80's they had a few M16A1's and a boatload of Thompsons, I sent thousands of rounds downrange with some of them when I was kid.

Damn..cool childhood.:thumbsup:

cousinkix1953
05-19-2009, 12:16 AM
I knew a pair of LEOs who owned Thompson SMGs in Santa Cruz decades ago. One has since died and I lost touch with the other...

B Strong
05-19-2009, 8:12 AM
California has restricted the possession of NFA weapons to licensed dealers and manufacturers for as long as I can remember (1960's) although there's an interesting fact involved.

If a NFA weapon or device was registered during the '68 amnesty, that information is considered privileged tax information, and can not be disclosed...even to a state law enforcement agency.

For all intents and purposes, an individual in California can not legally own NFA weapons or devices outside of being licensed as a Special Occupational Taxpayer by the feds ( as a dealer or manufacturer) and having the state dealers license. The state does not recognize the collecting of NFA weapons as being a legit. activity, and will not issue a permit for that purpose.

Stormfeather
05-19-2009, 10:51 AM
Bypass the NFA Permit. . . . do a search here on it, and you will find out some great stuff. "NFA Trust"