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plm61
05-18-2009, 5:51 AM
"dead as a mounted moose."

Amid so much other news, a Senate vote last week to allow loaded guns in national parks slipped under the media radar. The vote shows how the political cause of gun control is as dead as a mounted moose.

By 67-29, the Senate passed Oklahoma Republican Tom Coburn's amendment to let law-abiding visitors carry legal firearms into national parks. This overturns a 1983 federal rule requiring that firearms be kept unloaded and in an inaccessible place such as a trunk of a car. The provision (now part of credit-card legislation) protects Second Amendment rights, and it preserves the right of states to pass firearm laws that apply consistently, even on federal lands.

As recently as the 1990s, guns in parks legislation would have provoked a Congressional uproar. But gun control has proven to be a consistent political loser, and last year the Supreme Court cast doubt on state gun bans. No fewer than 27 Democrats voted for Mr. Coburn's amendment, and the ayes included Majority Leader Harry Reid, who is up for re-election in Nevada next year.

Congressional liberals are furious, and are threatening to hold up the credit-card bill, much as they have held up Washington, D.C. voting-rights legislation to which Republicans attached gun-owner protections. Holding up both bad bills forever would be fine with us, but in any case it's clear liberals have lost the gun control debate even within their own party.

Librarian
05-18-2009, 9:14 AM
From WSJ's pages to the eyes of Pelosi, Feinstein and Boxer ...

RRangel
05-18-2009, 9:34 AM
In light of the Heller, maybe Congress is paying attention.

yellowfin
05-18-2009, 9:45 AM
I'll feel better when they're no longer elected, not just temporarily muzzled. Just because a snake isn't biting you now doesn't make it not a snake.

alpha_romeo_XV
05-18-2009, 9:47 AM
Saw this cartoon in yesterday’s local paper taken from a Boulder, CO rag earlier in the week. It seems to promote universal prejudice against all gun owners. How about making gun owners a protected class against hate crimes, as is in place for race, religion and sexual preference attacks?

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/wiskeypapa57/anticartoon.jpg

bulgron
05-18-2009, 9:47 AM
I'll feel better when they're no longer elected, not just temporarily muzzled. Just because a snake isn't biting you now doesn't make it not a snake.

Sadly, I think people like that are going to always be with us. At least, I don't expect to see the American voting public to come to their senses in my lifetime.

bulgron
05-18-2009, 9:49 AM
Saw this cartoon in yesterday’s local paper taken from a Boulder, CO rag earlier in the week. It seems to promote universal prejudice against all gun owners. How about making gun owners a protected class against hate crimes, as is in place for race, religion and sexual preference attacks?

http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/wiskeypapa57/anticartoon.jpg

They really, really think that people are going to start shooting the place up just because their CCWs are valid on public lands? Some days you just want to reach out and shake some sense into people.

tube_ee
05-18-2009, 10:10 AM
The head may not have passed the tail yet, and it won't until folks like Feinstein and Schumer retire, but their days are numbered.

What we in the gun-rights community need to do, if we care more about gun rights than we do about the relative advantage of political parties, is to encourage Democratic candidates, especially in the West, in the mold of folks like Jon Tester and Jim Webb.

Yes, right now pro-gun Dems are a minority voice in their caucus. And, with the exception of Harry Reid (who's pretty conservative for a Democrat... duh... he's a devout Mormon from Nevada), the current leadership is on the other side. But to the extent that we can help them become a growing and vocal minority, then time will be on our side.

Because let's be honest here. A mass conversion of people to socially-conservative Republicanism is not going to happen. If it were, it already would have, and in an era of total Conservative dominance that lasted for 40 years (in the early 80s, a raw majority of college students self-indentified as Conservatives, and those same people form the most reliable bloc of Republican voters 30 years later), the country never moved further than center-right.

If the penduluum is now moving the other way, and statistics suggest that that's true, getting the Left on our side is going to be our only opportunity for growth and eventual victory. Again, the Civil Rights movement should be our example. Not even the John Birch Society is arguing for segregation anymore. Regardless of where you land on the Left-Right axis, it's a safe bet that you don't dispute Brown. And if you do, you can pretty much bet that your opinions will be (as they should be) scorned in polite company, and likely you with them.

Let's work to get gun rights on that same plane. Moving the left end of the line onto our ground is the only way to safely do that. if we don't, if we rely only on Conservatives and Republicans to defend our rights, we'll be vulnerable to every swing of the pendulum. And they do swing... that's what pendulums do.

I want to win. On this issue. And I don't care who helps me.

--Shannon

bwiese
05-18-2009, 10:15 AM
"dead as a mounted moose."
Amid so much other news, a Senate vote last week to allow loaded guns in national parks slipped under the media radar. The vote shows how the political cause of gun control is as dead as a mounted moose.


And yet the NRA detractors say the NRA "hasn't done anything".

Getting to this state of affairs was hard work that took time, persistence and money. Plus we have some very bright folks in Legislative Affairs.

NRA-ILA *rocks*.

If we've gotten this far, we can go the extra mile to lock it in.

Vtec44
05-18-2009, 10:18 AM
I'll feel better when they're no longer elected, not just temporarily muzzled. Just because a snake isn't biting you now doesn't make it not a snake.

:thumbsup: That's how I feel about the AWB issue also. They're not introducing it now, doesn't mean that they won't when the time is right. The "right time" means that when public opinion is strong enough for them to bring it back. We need to fight the PR war.

Legasat
05-18-2009, 10:18 AM
A clear victory!

The bad news is, Feinstein isn't going anywhere for a while. The REALLY bad news is, she is going to run for Governor of CA.

Tier One Arms
05-18-2009, 10:22 AM
Does this mean I can loaded open carry my OLL AR in any California National Park, or is there some state ordinance against it?

bulgron
05-18-2009, 10:35 AM
Yes, right now pro-gun Dems are a minority voice in their caucus. And, with the exception of Harry Reid (who's pretty conservative for a Democrat... duh... he's a devout Mormon from Nevada), the current leadership is on the other side. But to the extent that we can help them become a growing and vocal minority, then time will be on our side.

Just to throw a real kicker into this, I have a friend (a solid Dem, and self-described 'progressive') who swears up and down that the Democratic party is going to split, with Progressives going one way and old-school Democrats going the other. She thinks this is going to happen because she sees the Dems great poster child, Obama, doing things that seriously piss off progressives (not shutting down gitmo, continuing with military tribunals, not pushing for single-payer health care are all examples of what he's doing to anger his base). Probably failing to push for more gun control is one of the things that's really pissing off the progressives, which is where you'll find the hard-core socialists in the dem party.

It makes an odd kind of sense, if you consider that a lot of moderate conservatives have left the Republican party due to the hostility the Republican party has shown for "RINOS" over the years. Some of those ex-Republicans have become independents. But some have also joined the Democratic party's "Big Tent", and they form a fairly conservative voice amongst the Dems, especially amongst the pro-business old school DNC.

I continue to believe that the Dem/Rep political split has just about run it's course in this country. The time feels right for new political parties to form, or for the existing ones to re-create themselves. I just can't tell how it's all going to go down, is all.

One thing's for sure, no matter what happens, we have to continue to impress upon the politicians that anti-gun legislation is a losing battle, and a huge distraction from other things that they might want to accomplish.

aileron
05-18-2009, 11:04 AM
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/wiskeypapa57/anticartoon.jpg

They didn't get the redneck gun owners profile right, because there are no holes in the shovel.

Aegis
05-18-2009, 11:41 AM
Gun control is a loser issue for the Democrats. While the topic of more gun control plays to the leftist base in San Francisco, New York and Chicago, it does not go over well in most of America. Now with Heller, trying to push the issue for them is even harder. They will continue to try, but they won't get very far.

Kid Stanislaus
05-18-2009, 3:14 PM
:thumbsup: That's how I feel about the AWB issue also. They're not introducing it now, doesn't mean that they won't when the time is right. The "right time" means that when public opinion is strong enough for them to bring it back. We need to fight the PR war.


EXACTLY!!!:thumbsup:

rysmithjr
05-18-2009, 3:35 PM
How can this possibly be added to a credit card legislation? This is the sort of thing that makes me laugh at our government.

It's also entertaining to watch the extremists split from the moderates in each party. At this rate, we'll soon have 4 smaller parties, so maybe the Libertarians won't be so much a minority then!

grywlfbg
05-18-2009, 3:46 PM
A clear victory!

The bad news is, Feinstein isn't going anywhere for a while. The REALLY bad news is, she is going to run for Governor of CA.

So what's that going to leave us with? Newsom, Feinstein, and Brown on the Dem side vs Whitman on the Repub side?

bwiese
05-18-2009, 3:51 PM
Feinstein will NOT be running for CA Gov.

aermotor
05-18-2009, 3:52 PM
Does this mean I can loaded open carry my OLL AR in any California National Park, or is there some state ordinance against it?


I don't think you would want to be carrying an AR around... I'd stick to a handgun concealed (if that's legal per the provision, it doesn't really say)

yellowfin
05-18-2009, 4:28 PM
Do we have anything better than Whitman running for the R slot? Anyone who might actually be good?