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Kid Stanislaus
05-17-2009, 2:55 AM
http://www.gunsmagazine.com/GUNSRights.html

I think David Codrea hit the nail on the head. We're being played for suckers.

JimmyD
05-17-2009, 2:59 AM
COLUMN July 2009?

gcvt
05-17-2009, 3:24 AM
He can see the future while writing about the past! :willy_nilly:

FS00008
05-17-2009, 7:41 AM
Disagree. We have too much momentum now. Even with the idiots like Gorski...

socal2310
05-17-2009, 8:17 AM
If he had said, "Gun ban attempt is coming," I wouldn't bat an eye. I disagree with him about how successful such an attempt is likely to be. You don't get much more paranoid than gun owners.

During the election, Obama's record on guns just didn't matter because just as many people were voting against McCain as were voting for Obama* (Think about the woman in Pennsylvania who in response to a reporter's question yelled into the house to her husband, "Who are we voting for," and received the response, "We're voting for the N******!") Anyone who has attempted to purchase ammunition or firearms since the election has been confronted with the fact that an awful lot of people are afraid that the current administration is going to take their guns which has completely circumvented the media blackout on his anti-gun voting record.

Hell, look at my join date.

Ryan


*For the record, I did not vote for Obama, nor have I ever so much as set foot in Pennsylvania.

B Strong
05-17-2009, 8:49 AM
http://www.gunsmagazine.com/GUNSRights.html

I think David Codrea hit the nail on the head. We're being played for suckers.


Wanting to do something and having the ability to do it are two entirely different things.

In a post Heller, post Nordyke world, gun bans are something that even the most hardcore gun-grabber knows are nearly impossible to enact or have stand up in court.

Remember that in Heller, the court ruled that if a firearm is of a type that is in standard usage, it cannot be banned.

freakshow10mm
05-17-2009, 9:05 AM
I think the AR15 is the most prolific semi auto in the country right now, with the AK variants a runner up.

Timberline
05-17-2009, 9:20 AM
http://www.gunsmagazine.com/GUNSRights.html

I think David Codrea hit the nail on the head. We're being played for suckers.

There is a coherent sticky you can peruse before posting alerts of "gun bans":

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=149441

It's not going to happen. Will attempts be made? Certainly, but there's not political will to enact such bans.

CSDGuy
05-17-2009, 9:28 AM
In that article, Obama said so himself... he doesn't have the votes. There are a bunch of Democrats that are pro-2A. And they remember the 1994 elections. Congress knows that gun bans are a political third-rail, and knows not to pee on it. Oh, and I fully expect that more anti-gun legislation will be proposed in the future. That way the voters of whatever district can feel like their Rep is trying to do something about crime, futile as it may be.

Legasat
05-17-2009, 9:29 AM
I don't see how they can get it done anytime in the near future. They WILL try, but I just don't see it.

Psy Crow
05-17-2009, 10:02 AM
Oh, and I fully expect that more anti-gun legislation will be proposed in the future. That way the voters of whatever district can feel like their Rep is trying to do something about crime, futile as it may be.

Agreed. I expect some type of gun control as part of "healthcare reform" legislation.

MrClamperSir
05-17-2009, 11:42 AM
“This type of legislation will only disillusion the millions of law-abiding gun owners who voted for Barack Obama, believing that he did indeed support their right to own firearms,”

I have a few idiot friends like this.

sgtlmj
05-17-2009, 11:53 AM
I think the AR15 is the most prolific semi auto in the country right now, with the AK variants a runner up.

If not, it's right up there. That's a factor too. Back in 1994, how many folks had AR's? They were available, but relatively rare compared to the last 15 years of growth. There were only a few companies making them, and folks like Colt were fat and happy with their .mil contracts.

Today is a different story, with everyone under the sun making AR's or at least accessories for them. Competitions and classes fill up every weekend, and now that they have the internet on computers (;)) gun enthusiasts are engaged and informed.

MP301
05-17-2009, 12:35 PM
This post is nothing new. Sure, he would love to ban everything, but doing it is just this side of Efore, a thing like the Oakland plice shooting and a few otehrs, would have been the band wagon to get it done. But its not happening.

Sure, they might try and they may get some traction later after things die down, so we have to pay attention. But fear and panic is a waste of time when things are moving in the right direction...

Timberline
05-17-2009, 12:40 PM
“This type of legislation will only disillusion the millions of law-abiding gun owners who voted for Barack Obama, believing that he did indeed support their right to own firearms,”

I have a few idiot friends like this.

Ahem. Are you stating that any gun owner who voted for Obama is an idiot?

CalGuns is an open forum, not limited to those of any particular political bent.

762cavalier
05-17-2009, 12:46 PM
:beatdeadhorse5::beatdeadhorse5::beatdeadhorse5:



:)

thatrogue
05-17-2009, 1:19 PM
He said he has a few friends whom are idiots to think BHO will support the 2nd

Dirtbozz
05-17-2009, 1:23 PM
Ahem. Are you stating that any gun owner who voted for Obama is an idiot?

CalGuns is an open forum, not limited to those of any particular political bent.

As it should be.

They may not be "idiots", but I would bet most of them would like another shot at their vote. Obama pulled the wool over the eyes of a lot of people. Can't wait for the 2010 election. :43:

what2be
05-17-2009, 1:24 PM
If you believe everything the NRA puts out, you would think that the goverment is outside our homes at this very moment just waiting to come take our guns.

There is no gun ban coming. FUD FUD FUD

MrClamperSir
05-17-2009, 1:30 PM
Ahem. Are you stating that any gun owner who voted for Obama is an idiot?

CalGuns is an open forum, not limited to those of any particular political bent.

I am simply stating that if you have concern for your rights being protected, especially the 2nd amendment, as my friends NOW seemed to have, and you voted for Obama given his record as an IL senator, I do think that would qualify as having less than common sense.

DDT
05-17-2009, 3:33 PM
Ahem. Are you stating that any gun owner who voted for Obama is an idiot?

CalGuns is an open forum, not limited to those of any particular political bent.

I would say that anyone who voted for Obama believing that he wouldn't advocate and support turning back the dial on the second amendment is an idiot.

Surely there members of CalGuns who enjoy firearms but do not vote a single issue and are willing to risk the loss of gun rights to have a president friendly to other issues they find more important.

Kid Stanislaus
05-17-2009, 7:23 PM
He can see the future while writing about the past! :willy_nilly:


What's that business about those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them?

Kid Stanislaus
05-17-2009, 7:26 PM
In a post Heller, post Nordyke world, gun bans are something that even the most hardcore gun-grabber knows are nearly impossible to enact or have stand up in court. Remember that in Heller, the court ruled that if a firearm is of a type that is in standard usage, it cannot be banned.

You are expecting more consistency from the courts than I can see.

Kid Stanislaus
05-17-2009, 7:28 PM
............ but there's not political will to enact such bans.


That statement, to me, reveals a level of navievete that is difficult to understand.

1859sharps
05-17-2009, 7:34 PM
*shakes head*

Nothing new here. The anti-gun crowd will always look for ways to try and enact new gun control and if possible a gun ban.

This is the way it's always been. Way it will always be.

But it's not 1994, it's 2009. I remember 92-94. I remember the ban. I remember the shock. The how did this happen etc. Yes, there are things going on today that seem to echo those years. BUT, there are also some VERY important differences. Differences that work in our favor. lets build on those differences and make it harder to pass gun control laws regardless of which party controls the government. Remember the 2nd amendment isn't a Republican cause, or a conservative cause its a right that does not belong to just one group of people, but to everyone.

jlchavis0844
05-17-2009, 7:40 PM
“This type of legislation will only disillusion the millions of law-abiding gun owners who voted for Barack Obama, believing that he did indeed support their right to own firearms,”

I have a few idiot friends like this.

Count me as an idiot, but apparently not a friend. I am, however, someone who knows how our Government works. President's don't write laws, they sign or veto them. This president is also a constitutional law professor who knows that with the Nordyke decision, knows congressional elections up coming, knows that the speaker of the house is being called a liar by the CIA, and knows the DOJ might sue him for release of prisoner torture photos. Both Pelosi and Obama wouldn't touch an AW ban with a ten foot pole until his second term. Rape! Murder! It's just a shot away. Come on.

MrClamperSir
05-17-2009, 7:58 PM
Count me as an idiot, but apparently not a friend.

My idiot comment only referred to my friends who specifically whined about his left leaning policies after they cast their vote. Not bothering to know who or what your voting for is idiotic. They seemed to have such a hatred for Bush they couldn't stop talking about Obama. Now they see the direction he is going and want to complain to me about it.


President's don't write laws, they sign or veto them.

Yeah they don't write laws or have anybody working for them that could possibly write one. They just sit back and simply say yes or no?

Kid Stanislaus
05-17-2009, 8:04 PM
I still think Codrea is spot on. The Dems are just waiting to strike when the iron is hot and right now the iron is not hot enough.

DDT
05-17-2009, 9:29 PM
No telling what he would do if he learned that Fascism was born out of the far right of the Catholic church.

I doubt that he COULD learn that since it is false. Fascism came out of socialism,

Mussolini claimed that Italian Fascism's economic system of corporatism could be identified as either state capitalism or state socialism. Either way you slice it a state run economy is NOT from the right as we know it in a modern sense.

Hitler was a populist and later a socialist, the Nazi party was the "National Socialist Party."

Your assertion is a serious perversion of history.

In order to bring about a state run economy fascists usually rely on Nationalism or Jingoism to rally the populace. This sort of nationalism is counter to the church which is very much multinational and is threatened, not enhanced by such nationalism.

sega18
05-17-2009, 9:33 PM
If Obama succeeds in passing an "assault weapons" ban, what kind of effect would this have on Kalifornia-legal black rifles we all have?

DDT
05-17-2009, 9:41 PM
It would depend upon the law. If the law stated that they had to be turned in, they'd have to be turned in. If the law said they had to be registered, they'd have to be registered. If the law said you can keep what you have but no more, then well... you get the point.

Timberline
05-17-2009, 10:34 PM
That statement, to me, reveals a level of navievete that is difficult to understand.

Should I have said there's not sufficient political will to enact such restrictions? My point was the same as has been expressed here by some of the calmer members for a long time - there are not sufficient votes in the House, or the Senate, to enact a gun ban. What's naive is to think a gun ban is a fait accompli.

KWA-S
05-17-2009, 11:25 PM
That article reminded me of the whole Mexican drug cartel fiasco a short while ago. Right after Holder gut shut down when he started yammering about a permanent AWB, the media completely stopped talking about Mexico's situation. Hmm...

fnman
05-18-2009, 12:18 AM
Now they will just label people as suspected terrorists and take them all away.
I mean who can support a terrorist?
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d111:h.r.02159:

dwa
05-18-2009, 1:54 AM
It's a thinly vailed racist remark. Bongos because of Obamas African heritage. Don't tell him that bongos are of Latin American descent. Or that Fascism and communism are diametrical opposed. No telling what he would do if he learned that Fascism was born out of the far right of the Catholic church.

yeah right...so you had an alternate reality history class? there's no telling what would happen if you actually knew what you were talking about. im sure there's some involvement by the joos too right?

jlchavis0844
05-18-2009, 9:32 AM
yeah right...so you had an alternate reality history class? there's no telling what would happen if you actually knew what you were talking about. im sure there's some involvement by the joos too right?

I'll not continue the thread jacking save to answer questions. I'd like to state that I do not appreciate your antisemitic insinuations. To answer your questions about Jews in regards to Fascism, I suggest you look into Maximalism for Italy aligned it's self with the antisemitic Germany. As for the Catholic church's involvement with Fascism, It varies from state to state. Everything from passive acceptance in Italy (Lateran Treaties), to hostile supplication in Germany, to downright aiding and abetting in Croatia and Romania (Ustashe). Don't forget Franco in Spain. That's a doosey. Let me defend myself by saying that I am not anti Catholic nor am I anti freedom of religion. I believe all people are free to whorship any god or gods they wish as free as they wish as long as I am extended that same write to snicker in the corner at them and belittle them to my feloow atheist. Fascism, communism, socialism, and capitalism have all been blamed for the worlds problems. The real fight is Democracy vs Totalitarianism. Totalitarianism can be based on far right or far left policies. It doesn't mater which, it is still a threat to freedom and has nothing to do with political ideology.

U2BassAce
05-18-2009, 9:32 AM
I could see them try to chip away. Sorta the reverse of what Calguns Foundation is doing post Heller/Nordyke. Go after what they might think is the lowest hanging fruit. How about the Feds attacking only hicap mags at first?

motorhead
05-18-2009, 10:15 AM
no it isn't!

DDT
05-18-2009, 10:28 AM
Everything from passive acceptance in Italy (Lateran Treaties), to hostile supplication in Germany, to downright aiding and abetting in Croatia and Romania (Ustashe).


None of these rise to "born out of the far right of the Catholic church" FYI.
I am the last person to stand up for the Catholic church and I surely wouldn't defend much of their actions over the last 600 years but one thing is certain Fascism WASN'T born out of the Catholic Church it was Born out of National Socialism and Il Duce.

Kid Stanislaus
05-18-2009, 4:16 PM
THREAD DRIFT!!!! Moderator, please lock it.

aermotor
05-18-2009, 4:27 PM
Even if they did pass something.... they couldn't take our semi-autos away (AR15/AK47/Etc) could they? Wouldn't they just require them to just be registered like last time or what?

It's pretty F'ed up that gov people in this country decide to turn a blind eye to the 2A and pretend it doesn't exist and try to take away our rights, don't they get it's not open to change? Makes no sense to me where this country is heading. Go watch End Game.

Barney Gumble
05-18-2009, 4:43 PM
http://i39.tinypic.com/i2sksl.jpg

That's about how seriously I take these paranoid delusions.

aermotor
05-18-2009, 4:47 PM
It was a real trap in the movie though... :thumbsup: