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radrs
05-14-2009, 5:12 PM
Is it legal for a California Peace Officer to own a taurus judge???

4D5auto
05-14-2009, 5:15 PM
Probably!

Justin562
05-14-2009, 5:16 PM
Can they own a short barreled shotgun?

ke6guj
05-14-2009, 5:22 PM
not unless you can get a CADOJ dangerous weapons permit for an SBS. A Taurus Judge is considered an SBS in CA.

ColetheGun
05-14-2009, 5:29 PM
i NEED a taurus judge...so bad!!!

aplinker
05-14-2009, 6:05 PM
The Judge is the futon of the gun world...

oversized, bulky revolver OR underpowered shotgun... all in ONE!


*PASS*

radrs
05-14-2009, 6:10 PM
Ya but it would look real cool in my safe

sgtbuck
05-14-2009, 6:15 PM
Ya but it would look real cool in my safe

Mine too.....:thumbsup: To bad we can't get them here...

AK4me
05-14-2009, 6:17 PM
When I was in Minnesota last weekend I went to a Gander Mountain and they had 7 of them for about $550

gunrun45
05-14-2009, 6:26 PM
With the proper paperwork, yes a LEO can own one here in CA.
Much like anything else though, there are hoops to jump through.

Does anybody remember the 410 revolver that was for sale in the mid 90's?

rp55
05-14-2009, 6:37 PM
I was thinking of adding one of these to my Midwest Stash until I read what Box O' Truth (http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm) had to say about it.

radrs
05-14-2009, 6:48 PM
What hoops are you talking about??

Quiet
05-14-2009, 6:51 PM
What hoops are you talking about??

You need to get a CA DOJ Dangerous Weapons permit for a SBS.

Frostbite
05-14-2009, 6:52 PM
Taurus Judge: The gun the Pro Arms team refers to as "the bagel killer."

It has a tendency to produce donut shaped patterns in .410 shot because of the rifled barrel.

radrs
05-14-2009, 6:52 PM
What are my chances if getting approved for that???

Quiet
05-14-2009, 6:56 PM
What are my chances if getting approved for that???

Are you a prop master that works in the entertainment industry or a LEO?

If not, no chance.

radrs
05-14-2009, 6:59 PM
I am a LEO or Peace Officer whichever suites you

Quiet
05-14-2009, 7:13 PM
I am a LEO or Peace Officer whichever suites you

Fill out and send in an app. Good luck.
Dangerous Weapons Permit (http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/FD030DWApp.pdf) application.
Application fee is $321 + $51 fingerprint fees.
Also, there's a yearly renewal fee of $165.

radrs
05-14-2009, 7:15 PM
Wow $372 right out the bag, gotta weigh my options. I wonder if that fee is a write-off

SFFRONTMAN
05-14-2009, 7:22 PM
Its a CA double whammy, fires from a revolving cylinder and it is a SBS :).

radrs
05-14-2009, 7:26 PM
I hate whammy's

Trader Jack
05-14-2009, 10:14 PM
:chris:Is it legal for a California Peace Officer to own a taurus judge???

NO. Why would you want one???

Trader Jack
05-14-2009, 10:15 PM
What hoops are you talking about??

Hula Hoops:confused:

Trader Jack
05-14-2009, 10:16 PM
What are my chances if getting approved for that???

Hopefuly none:43:

Trader Jack
05-14-2009, 10:17 PM
I am a LEO or Peace Officer whichever suites you

Geez from your posts I sure as heck hope not.:(

ErikTheRed
05-15-2009, 3:33 AM
Mine too.....:thumbsup: To bad we can't get them here...

Nope, we can't get the Judge because its dangerous. California only allows safe guns. If its dangerous, you can't have it. Don't you know that?

Also, even though you already own 17 guns, California says you have to wait 10 days to get a new one. This is just in case you're planning a crime and would rather use a shiney new gun for the job, not one of your old ugly guns. Man, I sure am glad these people are looking out so closely for our safety.

Plisk
05-15-2009, 4:12 AM
Wow Trader Jack, way to make 4 posts inside of 4 minutes.

As to radrs, is it really worth it to pay all the fees for the Dangerous weapons permit just for a Judge? From your post I sounds like it's going to be a safe queen, is it really worth it?

hellraiser
05-15-2009, 11:13 AM
im no billionaire, my girlfriends not a model and i cant have this gun..BUT I CAN DREAM!!!
i forget wich magazine but i just read a article about a new model that takes 3 inch magnum rounds...

dwtt
05-15-2009, 11:35 AM
You guys have got me confused because I think there's some misunderstanding here. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
The Taurus Judge is a hand gun, not a shotgun. It's not a shotgun because it doesn't have a shoulder stock for firing from the shoulder. So, there's no need for a permit for a short barrel shotgun.
A CA police officer would only have to go through whatever process is needed to get a handgun not on the approved list to get a Judge.

Anyone know if this is right or did Ca classify the Judge as a short barrel shotgun?

ke6guj
05-15-2009, 11:44 AM
Yes, the Judge is a handgun, and does not meet the CA or federal definition of a shotgun, since it was not designed to be fired from the shoulder. Due to that, the shotgun AW regs than ban shotguns with revolving cylinders may not apply to the Judge.

However, CA's defintion of an SBS does not require the firearm to be a shotgun, but merely a firearm less than 26"OAL, and/or a barrel <18" that can fire a shotgun shell. Yes, it can be a short-barreled shotgun without first being a shotgun.

12020(c)(1) As used in this section, a "short-barreled shotgun" means any of the following:

(A) A firearm which is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell and having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.
(B) A firearm which has an overall length of less than 26 inches and which is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell.
(C) Any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if that weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.

(D) Any device which may be readily restored to fire a fixed shotgun shell which, when so restored, is a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C) inclusive.

(E) Any part, or combination of parts, designed and intended to convert a device into a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C) inclusive, or any combination of parts from which a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C), inclusive, can be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person

ZOMBIEHUNTER
05-15-2009, 1:00 PM
There fun if anyone is around Reno i would let you shoot it.I bought mine for a truck gun while iam out four wheeling and exploring BLM.

http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll296/mackjon/DSC_0377.jpg

jinggoyd1967
05-15-2009, 4:51 PM
Does anybody remember the 410 revolver that was for sale in the mid 90's?

The Thunder 5. I think they also made a 45-70 version.

http://www.lesjones.com/www/images/posts/Thunder5.jpg

MILLITIAof1
05-15-2009, 4:55 PM
I shot a relatives judge when I went to OH and it was a absolutely waste of money.

aplinker
05-15-2009, 5:33 PM
I shot a relatives judge when I went to OH and it was a absolutely waste of money.

:D I'm telling you - it's the futon of guns. It doesn't do anything right.

Tony.
05-15-2009, 6:37 PM
I have one (not in state) and would not buy one again. Luckily I did not pay much for it. About as useful as teeats on a bull. I guess you could use it for snakes when hiking, but that is about all it is good for.

Maddog5150
05-15-2009, 7:09 PM
So many things wrong with it but the number one reason, its a Taurus. If you want to throw your money away just to own one, why not get something better?

tankerman
05-15-2009, 7:16 PM
The Judge is the futon of the gun world...

oversized, bulky revolver OR underpowered shotgun... all in ONE!


*PASS*Another thread about the piece of junk AKA the 'Judge'.

Go-go-gadget paperweight.

Mr. Ed
05-15-2009, 7:19 PM
Yes, the Judge is a handgun, and does not meet the CA or federal definition of a shotgun, since it was not designed to be fired from the shoulder. Due to that, the shotgun AW regs than ban shotguns with revolving cylinders may not apply to the Judge.

However, CA's defintion of an SBS does not require the firearm to be a shotgun, but merely a firearm less than 26"OAL, and/or a barrel <18" that can fire a shotgun shell. Yes, it can be a short-barreled shotgun without first being a shotgun.

If this is the case, then how is it that they sell shot shells for 22 and 45 etc and call it snake shot. Doesn't that make your handgun a sbs?

hawk1
05-15-2009, 7:36 PM
Ya but it would look real cool in my safe

Here, cut this out and paste onto shelf in the back of the safe. Problem solved!


http://www.northwoodsports.com/images/judgeSSmag.jpg

ke6guj
05-15-2009, 7:41 PM
If this is the case, then how is it that they sell shot shells for 22 and 45 etc and call it snake shot. Doesn't that make your handgun a sbs?apparantly they don't consider those shot shells to be "fixed shotgun shells".

Maddog5150
05-15-2009, 7:45 PM
Here, cut this out and paste onto shelf in the back of the safe. Problem solved!


http://www.northwoodsports.com/images/judgeSSmag.jpg

LOL!!!
Man you just saved me a bunch of money in the future with that idea! :p
Im off to print off a pic or two from ed browns site

hawk1
05-15-2009, 7:49 PM
LOL!!!
Man you just saved me a bunch of money in the future with that idea! :p
Im off to print off a pic or two from ed browns site

Hey, look at it this way, no DROS fees!


Btw, shouldn't you be out looking for a job now that Turners has closed up?...:D


Yep, I read it on the internet...

Vin496
05-15-2009, 8:27 PM
Here, cut this out and paste onto shelf in the back of the safe. Problem solved!


http://www.northwoodsports.com/images/judgeSSmag.jpg

LMAO!!!!!


My Wife has done this. She wanted a necklace and cut it out of a magazine, then taped it on her neck, and asked me how it looked.

hawk1
05-15-2009, 9:29 PM
LMAO!!!!!


My Wife has done this. She wanted a necklace and cut it out of a magazine, then taped it on her neck, and asked me how it looked.

Vinny did you tell her it never looked better? :p

Vin496
05-15-2009, 10:03 PM
Vinny did you tell her it never looked better? :p

LOL Yes,

She also did a watch, I thought it was funny as hell. So when I saw your idea, I started laughing and showed her the post.

pullnshoot25
05-16-2009, 12:00 PM
My brother just bought one and he loves it. He is making some custom .410 loads for it from .303 British brass. IIRC, the power coming out should be akin to a 9x18 Makarov from the .410 and, of course, the .45 Long Colt is great for added penetration and whatnot.

sgtbuck
05-16-2009, 12:16 PM
Nope, we can't get the Judge because its dangerous. California only allows safe guns. If its dangerous, you can't have it. Don't you know that?

Also, even though you already own 17 guns, California says you have to wait 10 days to get a new one. This is just in case you're planning a crime and would rather use a shiney new gun for the job, not one of your old ugly guns. Man, I sure am glad these people are looking out so closely for our safety.

No I did not know that. I also did not know that you had to wait 10 days to get a gun? WOW 10 whole days. I bet you can't even buy FAs anymore? :confused: Is a safe gun airsoft? I know I know it's a paint ball gun. :rolleyes:

pullnshoot25
05-16-2009, 1:47 PM
No I did not know that. I also did not know that you had to wait 10 days to get a gun? WOW 10 whole days. I bet you can't even buy FAs anymore? :confused: Is a safe gun airsoft? I know I know it's a paint ball gun. :rolleyes:

Welcome to California!

1) Yes, every new non-FTF (w/ C&R) purchase or transfer done in California requires a 10 day wait.

2) FA licenses are pretty much limited to porn producers and Jane Fonda's security team.

3) Airsoft, paintball or pellet guns are not guns by law.

sgtbuck
05-16-2009, 3:30 PM
Welcome to California!

1) Yes, every new non-FTF (w/ C&R) purchase or transfer done in California requires a 10 day wait.

2) FA licenses are pretty much limited to porn producers and Jane Fonda's security team.

3) Airsoft, paintball or pellet guns are not guns by law.

I have been in California for over 40 years..... Trust me when I say I know how messed up everything is here. I have even thought about moving to another state. Between having no rights and being taxed to death and no end in sight it get old real fast. We might get our gun rights back but they will make it so we can't afford them anymore. :rolleyes:

xxdabroxx
05-18-2009, 2:06 PM
:D I'm telling you - it's the futon of guns. It doesn't do anything right.

at first i could not think of what in the heck a "Futon" was. then i was remembered, its that POS couch thing i used to crash on at my buddies apartment. And you are correct sir, that is the FUTON of firearms. If only Ruger made it...

4D5auto
05-18-2009, 3:11 PM
It is a legal revolver, but CA doesn't see it that way. It's legal because the barrel is rifled! It is NOT a short barreled shotgun! That may as well ban all revolvers that take a snake load! What is that cartridge?

ke6guj
05-18-2009, 3:30 PM
It is a legal revolver, but CA doesn't see it that way. It's legal because the barrel is rifled! It is NOT a short barreled shotgun! That may as well ban all revolvers that take a snake load! What is that cartridge?

The rifled barrel keeps it from being a smooth-bore handgun, which would make it a federal AOW, and would violate 12020 as a unconventional pistol. The rifling removes those violation.

However, CA's defintion of an SBS does not require the firearm to be a shotgun, but merely a firearm less than 26"OAL, and/or a barrel <18" that can fire a shotgun shell. Yes, it can be a short-barreled shotgun without first being a shotgun. The .410 shell would be considered a fixed shotgun shell, and therefore CA's definition of an SBS does apply.

Apparantly the feds and CA do not consider snake loads for pistol cartridges to be "fixed shotgun shells".

4D5auto
05-18-2009, 10:24 PM
Only illegal in CA, what's that tell ya? As usual, CA has no clue as to what they are talking about, let alone laws they pass.

5150Marcelo
05-18-2009, 10:31 PM
Cant you go around the SBS thing and DROS it as a 45LC? Says it shoots 45LC or 410s

ke6guj
05-18-2009, 10:50 PM
Only illegal in CA, what's that tell ya? As usual, CA has no clue as to what they are talking about, let alone laws they pass.
that tells me that CA wrote their SBS laws differently than the feds. They did not merely rely on the federal SBS laws, or just copy them over. They copied them and added in additional language that covers firearms like the Taurus Judge, and the T/C contender with the .45/.410 pistol barrel.

The T/C contender with a .45/.410 pistol barrel has been an SBS in CA for as long as I can remember. It isn't just someone reading the law and thinking it applies to the Judge.

nick
05-18-2009, 10:52 PM
Cant you go around the SBS thing and DROS it as a 45LC? Says it shoots 45LC or 410s

It's still not on the roster.

Riodog
06-03-2009, 10:04 PM
that tells me that CA wrote their SBS laws differently than the feds. They did not merely rely on the federal SBS laws, or just copy them over. They copied them and added in additional language that covers firearms like the Taurus Judge, and the T/C contender with the .45/.410 pistol barrel.

The T/C contender with a .45/.410 pistol barrel has been an SBS in CA for as long as I can remember. It isn't just someone reading the law and thinking it applies to the Judge.

So true. I have a T/C with a 44mag barrel AND the screw in choke and it's considered illegal here also. They also made one with a 'screw-on' choke but I don't know what it's classified as.

Whoever writes the Calif. laws definitely has their head screwed on backwards.
Rio
(JFYI) I keep any of my 'questionable' toys at my Az place. It's not worth the time, effort, or money to deal with this state.