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JJ1911
05-14-2009, 4:11 PM
I tried searching for the thread about open carry/Nevada laws but I couldn't find it, if someone much better at forum navigation can that'd be great!

Here are my questions for anyone who has experience with this. I will be flying to vegas and would like my pistol to come with me. I understand the gun must be unloaded, locked, safe, what not, but do I need any other paperwork at the airport to have it transported to vegas and have it meet me there?

Secondly, when I'm in vegas, should I get it registered with metro PD and then Open carry, I heard its a good idea to have it registered even if I'm just going to be open carrying which I believe is legal in Nevada.

Thirdly, as I understand it open carry means an unloaded (no magazine) pistol in a holster that is visible, not IWB with magazines carried seperately. I also know that if i were to go to the big casinos/strip area I would probably be asked to leave certain establishments.

wow that was a longer question than I originally envisioned!

Brooke
05-14-2009, 4:17 PM
Interesting post. I'm interested in the NV law, as I have family there and would like take a handgun with me. (No, not protection from the family. :))

4D5auto
05-14-2009, 4:23 PM
Better check with the air carrier you plan to use, about checking in a weapon. That my stop you right there.

What's the purpose of open carry?? What good is that?? Why?? It's a waste IMO.

Now then, in Nevada, it is legal to have a loaded weapon in your vehicle!

JJ1911
05-14-2009, 4:32 PM
Its more curiosity than anything else, I'm not dead-set on it but the knowledge itself is valuable to me!

GuyW
05-14-2009, 4:35 PM
Now then, in Nevada, it is legal to have a loaded weapon in your vehicle!

[edited out bad info] ...

Sounds like the OP may have CA OC laws mixed up with NV laws...

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Rivers
05-14-2009, 4:39 PM
Post this on www.defensivecarry.com for some more state-accurate info as that is a national forum.

No CCW in either North Las Vegas or Boulder City. That I DO know.

I would add that it is smart to wire cable tether your lock box to a permanent point on your luggage so the box can't be removed from an opened bag without either breaking the bag or cutting the cable. The COM boxes come with a steel wire tether cable.

SCMA-1
05-14-2009, 4:47 PM
I have an NV CCW; go here for information on registering your handgun with LVMPD; I suggest you call them for specific information and hours of operation.

http://www.usacarry.com/nevada_concealed_carry_permit_information.html
http://www.lvmpd.com/permits/firearms_registration.html
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/law1.cfm

As far as open carry in NV, I too fail to see the purpose unless you like standing out in a crowd and making yourself an easy target. An unloaded firearm in public whether open carried or concealed is a poor defensive weapon; perhaps it's better to do such a thing in your home state to make a political statement as it has IMO no real utility in NV. Regardless, I would recommend that you read the NRS VERY carefully before attempting this.

If you frequent LV, you can get a Utah non-resident CCW which is now recognized in NV. It's very easy and inexpensive to obtain in CA and the entire process is done through the mail.

SCMA-1

4D5auto
05-14-2009, 5:04 PM
Not in the city of North Las Vegas, IIRC...

Sounds like the OP may have CA OC laws mixed up with NV laws...

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I don't know all your acronyms so I will not comment.

Does this site have a list of acronyms to figure out?

[Quote]If you frequent LV, you can get a Utah non-resident CCW which is now recognized in NV. It's very easy and inexpensive to obtain in CA and the entire process is done through the mail.

SCMA-1 [Quote]

You may also get a FloriDUH permit on line, even easier to obtain if you're a Vet. Furnish your DD-214 for your weapons training.

AgentAK
05-14-2009, 5:07 PM
Tell me more about the Florida CCW and using your DD-214...

GuyW
05-14-2009, 5:22 PM
I don't know all your acronyms so I will not comment.



IIRC = If I Remember Correctly

OP = original poster

CA = California

OC = open carry

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Quiet
05-14-2009, 5:41 PM
I tried searching for the thread about open carry/Nevada laws but I couldn't find it, if someone much better at forum navigation can that'd be great!

Here are my questions for anyone who has experience with this. I will be flying to vegas and would like my pistol to come with me. I understand the gun must be unloaded, locked, safe, what not, but do I need any other paperwork at the airport to have it transported to vegas and have it meet me there?
No paperwork needed. Contact the airline that you are using and abide by their policy and TSA policy for transporting a firearm.


Secondly, when I'm in vegas, should I get it registered with metro PD and then Open carry, I heard its a good idea to have it registered even if I'm just going to be open carrying which I believe is legal in Nevada.
There is no need to register your handguns with LVMPD, unless you are staying in Clark County for more than 60 days.


Thirdly, as I understand it open carry means an unloaded (no magazine) pistol in a holster that is visible, not IWB with magazines carried seperately. I also know that if i were to go to the big casinos/strip area I would probably be asked to leave certain establishments.

wow that was a longer question than I originally envisioned!
In NV, open carry = loaded exposed handgun.

LVMPD recommends that, even though it is legal, you do not open carry in areas where there are tourists (casinos, the strip, Fremont St.), due to the tourists (mostly from other countries) not knowing NV law calling the police for "person with gun" calls.

Quiet
05-14-2009, 5:42 PM
No CCW in either North Las Vegas or Boulder City. That I DO know.

NV passed state pre-emption law in 2007.
All local firearm laws went away, except for the handgun registration requirement for Clark County.
However, the handgun registration requirement for Clark County was altered.
It use to be that all persons had 48 hours to register any handgun they possess in Clark County. It was changed to, residents of Clark County have 72 hours to register handguns they aquire and non-residents of Clark County have to register any handguns they have with them if they stay in Clark County for longer than 60 days.

Lucky Scott
05-14-2009, 6:00 PM
I just took a CCW class in Arizona and the subject of open carry in Las Vegas came up. The instructor said it is discouraged by the local LEO because all the tourists freak out and call the cops.
"Help, there is a man with a gun here!"

Although it is legal in the state, it is discouraged in the city of Las Vegas itself.

4D5auto
05-14-2009, 7:32 PM
Tell me more about the Florida CCW and using your DD-214...



Go here

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/index.html


http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/firearms/acceptable_training_documentation.html



Request on line for your package. Follow all instructions completely!! Go to Sheriffs Office and get finger printed and they fill out the print form, SO street address, County, names etc. and pay them. Go to Costo, because they are the cheapest, have Passport Pics taken. Copy of DD-214 will suffice for firearms training and safety. Submit. They are behind in processing so may take a lot longer to get. Mine took 30 days.

Rivers
05-14-2009, 8:08 PM
NV passed state pre-emption law in 2007.
All local firearm laws went away, except for the handgun registration requirement for Clark County.
However, the handgun registration requirement for Clark County was altered.
It use to be that all persons had 48 hours to register any handgun they possess in Clark County. It was changed to, residents of Clark County have 72 hours to register handguns they aquire and non-residents of Clark County have to register any handguns they have with them if they stay in Clark County for longer than 60 days.

Not so. Boulder City and North Las Vegas are specifically exempted from that law, with their individual bans grandfathered into the law. At the very least, anyone planning on carrying in those areas should contact that local LE. My response is based on this link regarding "deadly weapons" in those cities:

http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal/nevada-ccw-state-laws.php

Quiet
05-14-2009, 8:44 PM
As of this year, Assistant Chief Tim Bedwell of the North Las Vegas Police Department has stated that open carry is legal in North Las Vegas due to the state pre-emption law (NRS 244.364).

Only things that got grandfathered in was handgun registration and discharging firearms.

Nevada Revised Statue 244.364
1. Except as otherwise provided by specific statute, the Legislature reserves for itself such rights and powers as are necessary to regulate the transfer, sale, purchase, possession, ownership, transportation, registration and licensing of firearms and ammunition in Nevada, and no county may infringe upon those rights and powers. As used in this subsection, “firearm” means any weapon from which a projectile is discharged by means of an explosive, spring, gas, air or other force.
2. A board of county commissioners may proscribe by ordinance or regulation the unsafe discharge of firearms.
3. If a board of county commissioners in a county whose population is 400,000 or more has required by ordinance or regulation adopted before June 13, 1989, the registration of a firearm capable of being concealed, the board of county commissioners shall amend such an ordinance or regulation to require:
(a) A period of at least 60 days of residency in the county before registration of such a firearm is required.
(b) A period of at least 72 hours for the registration of a pistol by a resident of the county upon transfer of title to the pistol to the resident by purchase, gift or any other transfer.
4. Except as otherwise provided in subsection 1, as used in this section:
(a) “Firearm” means any device designed to be used as a weapon from which a projectile may be expelled through the barrel by the force of any explosion or other form of combustion.
(b) “Firearm capable of being concealed” includes all firearms having a barrel less than 12 inches in length.
(c) “Pistol” means a firearm capable of being concealed that is intended to be aimed and fired with one hand.
(Added to NRS by 1989, 652; A 2007, 1289)

Quiet
05-14-2009, 8:58 PM
Not so. Boulder City and North Las Vegas are specifically exempted from that law, with their individual bans grandfathered into the law. At the very least, anyone planning on carrying in those areas should contact that local LE. My response is based on this link regarding "deadly weapons" in those cities:

http://apps.carryconcealed.net/legal/nevada-ccw-state-laws.php

From the link you posted.

What was the legislation in October 2007 about

Also effective Oct 1, 2007 is legislation that prohibits counties/cities/towns from enacting ordinances more restrictive than state law - the legislature reserves for itself the right to legislate firearms law. This law is retroactive. Hence the draconian ordinances in North Las Vegas and Boulder City should become null and void.

MP301
05-16-2009, 5:17 AM
No paperwork needed. Contact the airline that you are using and abide by their policy and TSA policy for transporting a firearm.


There is no need to register your handguns with LVMPD, unless you are staying in Clark County for more than 60 days.


In NV, open carry = loaded exposed handgun.

LVMPD recommends that, even though it is legal, you do not open carry in areas where there are tourists (casinos, the strip, Fremont St.), due to the tourists (mostly from other countries) not knowing NV law calling the police for "person with gun" calls.


I go to Vegas 6 plus times per year as well as Puhrump / Front sight. This poster is accurate on the rules.

I did the CCW class at "The Gun Store" because I prefer Carrying CCW...which means that you can pack on the strip and in casinos, etc.

The rules are, if they post a sign that says no guns or weapons or whatever..and you are observed with a gun, you can get a $25-$100 trespassing ticket. But, what almost always happens is that they tell you to just go put it away. Whats really funny is, that if they were to call LE and they did give you a trespassing ticket - its just an infraction and does not affect your CCW..or anything else...its just a BS fine.

I have yet to see a casino that has a no weapons sign on the strip..but I see them in the small casinos in Pahrump. I was told that some used to have signs on the strip, but became concerned that the sign scared the tourists more. Out of sight out of mind or dont ask dont tell..either way, I pack everywhere in Vegas.

I wouldnt open carry in any place like that because according to the CCW instructor....you will get proned out, etc etc.

One last note on a Nevada CCW permit ( I have NV, UT and FL permits)...its the only permit that allows you to drink and be in bars or places that serve alcohol while carrying a firearm. The rule is, if your carrying and your under
.10 BAC (Thats more then a drunk driving of .08!), your legal.

While it might not sound like a wise idea to drink and pack, if your out to dinner and have a glass of wine or a beer, your not violating the law.

Packing in Nevada with a UT or FL permit - those permits have a rule of not being in someplace that serves alcohol or drinking, etc. So its unclear which rules take precident - The issuing authorities rules or the state in which you are carrying - because the UT and FL permits also say you must comply with the laws in the state your Carrying. Most likely, the issuing authority would take precident, but who knows. So its probably not wise to drink and CCW on any permit other then Nevada - although unless your being a total idiot, no one will ever know your carrying let alone check your credentials.

I porefer OC in the woods, but CCW is the only way to go in urban settings...

B Strong
05-16-2009, 5:43 AM
No paperwork needed. Contact the airline that you are using and abide by their policy and TSA policy for transporting a firearm.


There is no need to register your handguns with LVMPD, unless you are staying in Clark County for more than 60 days.


In NV, open carry = loaded exposed handgun.

LVMPD recommends that, even though it is legal, you do not open carry in areas where there are tourists (casinos, the strip, Fremont St.), due to the tourists (mostly from other countries) not knowing NV law calling the police for "person with gun" calls.

Best advice in the thread.

You can also receive a Nevada CCW permit as an out of state vistor, plan ahead and go and take the course -get your permit - you're gtg.

4D5auto
05-17-2009, 4:56 PM
Never could find anything in print form, stating where you can not carry CCW, especially CA. I don't think one really exists. Other than the obvious State and Fed buildings and Parks. It sounds like common sense to me, that with any CCW, you should likely follow the law for the state you are in. My FL. permit is as good as a NV CCW while I'm in NV. You can posses in a bar.

TheBundo
05-17-2009, 5:03 PM
I don't know all your acronyms so I will not comment.

Does this site have a list of acronyms to figure out?

[Quote]If you frequent LV, you can get a Utah non-resident CCW which is now recognized in NV. It's very easy and inexpensive to obtain in CA and the entire process is done through the mail.

SCMA-1 [Quote]

You may also get a FloriDUH permit on line, even easier to obtain if you're a Vet. Furnish your DD-214 for your weapons training.

Here you go:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=78606

TheBundo
05-17-2009, 5:17 PM
Never could find anything in print form, stating where you can not carry CCW, especially CA. I don't think one really exists. Other than the obvious State and Fed buildings and Parks. It sounds like common sense to me, that with any CCW, you should likely follow the law for the state you are in. My FL. permit is as good as a NV CCW while I'm in NV. You can posses in a bar.


Not according to post # 18. Who's right?

Quiet
05-17-2009, 6:37 PM
Not according to post # 18. Who's right?

It's a grey area.

FL prohibits permit holders from carrying while in an establishment selling alcohol for consumption.

NV law does not prohibit this and allows carrying while consuming alcohol (as long as BAC is under 0.10).

While carrying in NV, CCW permit holders from other states have to abide by NV law.

So, if you have a FL CCW permit and are carrying while in an establishment selling alcohol for consumption and/or consuming alcohol, then you are not violating NV law. But, you are violating the terms/conditions of the FL CCW permit.

So, if for some reason a NV LEO makes contact with you...
... and you are carrying with a FL CCW permit
... and you are in a bar/club/whatever
... and/or drinking alcohol
... then that NV LEO could note that and send that info to his superiors, who in turn could notify FL, which can cause UT/FL to revoke your UT/FL CCW permit.

IMO.
Don't act the fool, while carrying.
Because negative NV LEO contact can cause them to report you to the issuing authority for your non-resident CCW permit, which can result in having your non-resident CCW permit being revoked.

JimAmentler
05-17-2009, 8:28 PM
It's a grey area.

UT and FL prohibits permit holders from carrying while in an establishment selling alcohol for consumption.

NV law does not prohibit this and allows carrying while consuming alcohol (as long as BAC is under 0.10).

While carrying in NV, CCW permit holders from other states have to abide by NV law.

So, if you have a UT/FL CCW permit and are carrying while in an establishment selling alcohol for consumption and/or consuming alcohol, then you are not violating NV law. But, you are violating the terms/conditions of the UT/FL CCW permit.

So, if for some reason a NV LEO makes contact with you...
... and you are carrying with a UT/FL CCW permit
... and you are in a bar/club/whatever
... and/or drinking alcohol
... then that NV LEO could note that and send that info to his superiors, who in turn could notify UT/FL, which can cause UT/FL to revoke your UT/FL CCW permit.

IMO.
Don't act the fool, while carrying.
Because negative NV LEO contact can cause them to report you to the issuing authority for your non-resident CCW permit, which can result in having your non-resident CCW permit being revoked.

UT does not prohibit you from carrying in an establishment that serves alcohol while in Utah. You are also allowed to consume as long as you are not over the legal limit of .08. However, I tell all of my students that I do not recommend carrying while drinking any alcohol at all. I also tend to stay away from areas where trouble is likely to start carrying or not. You are bound by the laws of the state that you are carrying in. Some states allow carrying in establishments that serve alcohol, some do not.

I wholeheartedly agree with your statement "don't act the fool while carrying".

Quiet
05-17-2009, 8:46 PM
Thought UT was the same as FL.
Thanks for the correction. :thumbsup:

JimAmentler
05-17-2009, 10:07 PM
Thought UT was the same as FL.
Thanks for the correction. :thumbsup:

My pleasure! Always happy to help out where I can. Keeping the various laws and requirements of the different states can be challenging at times for anyone.

4D5auto
05-20-2009, 2:42 PM
I believe the answers above to be accurate. When you drive in another state, other than the issuing state of your license, you abide by the laws of the state you are in. While FL. may not permit you from being in those establishments while carrying in FL, NV will. When you carry in that establishment in NV. with a FL. permit, it's OK, you're not in FL. So a LEO tattling to FL, would likely be laughed at.

Also, I still have yet to find or see anything written, as to the can and can not of CCW in a state. I have also not seen anyone post this on CalGuns either. I have to search FL again to see if I can find anything they have for their state. I posess a CA CCW and haven't been able to find this out..

KimoBBZ
05-20-2009, 7:33 PM
From another thread...

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=1911219

+1 I've done a fair amount of flying and the one thing I can say is that the regs from each airline VARY WIDELY and so does the knowledge of them by their counter staff. Moreso when flying out of CA... airline staff in just about any other state in the union seem more familliar with the process. Plus now you've got the TSA to deal with.

Do your homework.

1. Check the regs for the city you are flying to - make sure your firearm, accessories, and ammo are legal.

2. Check the airline regs online & print them off to BRING WITH YOU when checking in. I used to call too, to verify. How the firearm is secured, ammo limits and etc. will be detailed on their web site. Some want the pistol in a seperate locked container, placed inside your luggage, others allow it to be thrown loose (but unloaded) in a locked luggage. Some specify the luggage needs to be "hardsided", some require ammo to be factory boxed, seperated from the pistol, some allow several pounds of ammo, some limit the number of rounds. And on it goes...

3. Transport as legal & normal to the airport, already in the LOCKED LUGGAGE. Be EARLY, add another 45 min when traveling with firearms. You'll need to check-in manually (no unassisted, express check in for us firearm owners!) and simply state quietly to the conter person "I have an unloaded firearm to declare". It's at this moment you'll know if you'll need those regs you printed out. :cool:

They will either say "Oh, set it aside" and will process you as normal then call the TSA person over to walk you and your luggage/firearm to "the spot" for inspection... or semi-freakout and say something like "I'll be right back" be prepared for them to scamper until they find someone who DOES know what to do.

4. Same with the TSA, treatment here will vary, some know the drill and are casually cautious... some are openly suspicious and try to "interview" you. As with LEO, less is more, say as little as possible, but like Patrick Swayze says "Be NICE, until it's time to NOT BE NICE".

As I typically travel with 3 pistols and all that goes with them, to the unfamilliar that might seem excessive for a vacation trip to Florida I guess, as I was subjected to unnecessary comments between the TSA folks (in front of my family, mind you) along the lines of "If he's not a cop, I wonder why he needs all this?" , "Wonder where the war is?", etc. Finally one of them actually directed a comment to me: "Are you a competition shooter or something?" I replied simply "no". He pressed: "Well, why to you bring all this with you?"

I replied simply, making good eye contact: "Because, it's my legal right to." It was all business after that, but be careful with these guys... they could on a whim, delay you further and mess up your time table.

This was a single incident,most times things go really smooth, if slow - give yourself plenty of time when flying with weapons.

cineski
05-20-2009, 8:37 PM
Good reason for everyone to plan far ahead and get a Utah CCW.

Greg-Dawg
05-20-2009, 9:12 PM
Leave the gun at home.

Doheny
05-20-2009, 9:14 PM
Leave the gun at home.

I agree. Or better yet, get a UT CCW and CCW there.