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aileron
05-14-2009, 6:25 AM
*sigh*

http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/node/6678


Congressional Democrats introduce legislation to ban sales of guns between individuals at gun shows
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Submitted by cbaus on Wed, 05/13/2009 - 00:05.

* National Politics

The Cybercast News Service is reporting that Congressional Democrats have introduced legislation that would ban the sale of guns between individuals at gun shows. The legislators staged a press conference with a few survivors of students killed at Virginia Tech, even though the mass murderer responsible for the Virginia Tech massacre did not acquire his guns at gun shows (nor was he deterred by the Commonwealth of Virginia's one-gun-a-month rule).

From the story:

Democratic lawmakers and one Republican told CNSNews.com on Wednesday that the so-called "gun show loophole" -- sales between private individuals, which never require a background check -- ought to be closed.

Republicans, meanwhile, told CNSNews.com that creating more rules on how a gun can be legally purchased will not prevent criminals -- who do not follow the rules anyway -- from obtaining weapons in illegal ways.

Federal law requires a background check when a weapon is purchased from a federally licensed firearms dealer, including those who set up tables at gun shows.

Sales between private parties are not subject to background checks at gun shows or anywhere else the sale happens to take place. (Dealers selling weapons from their private collections are not required to do background checks on those particular sales.)

"I think it's very important," Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) told CNSNews.com when asked if she thought the rules on private gun sales should be changed. "It's critical; it's good for everybody's security to close the gun-show loophole."

Feinstein said even though criminals may be able to purchase weapons in other ways, it is important to make the purchase more difficult.

"Currently felons can go and get a gun, a juvenile can buy a gun; I had a staff of mine who went to a gun show, and they tried to sell her a .50-caliber sniper weapon," said Feinstein. "It makes no sense. If you want to protect people, you want to keep guns in the hands of the legitimate."

Feinstein said she believes there is no question that gun violence will drop if the "loophole" is plugged.

The Senator offered no proof for her claims that felons and juveniles can currently buy guns at gun shows, since purchases and possession by either are already prohibited by law, a fact which plays well into Republicans' objections to the proposed legislation:

Republicans told CNSNews.com that creating more laws and regulations on weapons purchases will not affect criminals who don't follow the law anyway.

"I don't think there is really a loophole," Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) told CNSNews.com on Wednesday. "Criminals don't have to go to gun shows to get guns. In fact it is very dangerous for them to go to gun shows to get guns. They can get them through a bunch of black market sources and other sources, and that's how they get them."

Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.) also told CNSNews.com that further regulation would be invasive and ineffective.

"I think it's important [that] we keep guns out of the hands of criminals, but I do not think that plugging the so-called gun show loophole is really what they are going to do," said Tiahrt referring to the legislation announced by McCarthy and Castle earlier in the day. "Just think about how it is going to work. We are going to have federal agents walking around our malls and supermarkets?"

"To think that would stop these sales is really a misnomer," said Tiahrt of the legislation. "We have over 14,000 gun-control laws in America today. We have other ways of keeping guns out of the hands of bad guys and people who are mentally deranged. And that's what we ought to do.

"The gunshow loophole will not fix that problem, and I don't support anything that does not keep guns out of the hands of criminals," he added.

The story goes on to say that according to the National Rifle Association, the most recent federal study says only 0.7 percent of criminals get their guns from gun shows.

The NRA says calls to "close the gun show loophole" are really intended to create gun owner registration. Some proposals would require private citizens wishing to sell weapons at gun shows to sign up as "special firearms event operators."

"A private citizen who enters a gun show hoping to sell or trade a firearm, but who does not find a buyer and leaves with his own gun, would be on file with the Justice Department forever as a 'special firearms event vendor,'" the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action warns on its Web site.

This article refers to this article.

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.aspx?RsrcID=47749

FS00008
05-14-2009, 6:58 AM
Legislation link?

DDT
05-14-2009, 10:04 AM
Legislation link?

HR2324


Do a search Here: http://thomas.loc.gov

Bruce
05-14-2009, 10:12 AM
Maybe they could add something for all those Gun Broker guys who won't sell to California due to the CLFC, like a nationwide version of CLFC. :eek:

(No I don't support DiFi or her BS bill. I wish we could get rid of our PPT requirement, but I think that it still qualifies as a "reasonable restriction" under Heller.)

Untamed1972
05-14-2009, 10:22 AM
It is stupid that they keep trotting out the Va Tech victims in conjuction with the alleged guns how loop hole because the Va Tech shooter was not a prohibited person and bout his legally from a dealer. So what is the Va Tech victims' gripe with gun shows?

BTF/PTM
05-14-2009, 10:57 AM
I don't see this happening, pro-gun democrats have already said this year that they won't allow this type of thing to get through.

Legasat
05-14-2009, 11:01 AM
These screamin anti's just won't give up.

To quote Mr. Jillette Penn - "You can't stop insane people from doing insane things with insane laws. That's insane!"

HunterJim
05-14-2009, 1:07 PM
They can go ahead but this is beyond their jurisdiction to achieve.

The gun show loophole is a feature of our Constitution.

jim

markw
05-15-2009, 12:17 AM
Disarming criminals is easy, just take their weapons when you PUT THEM IN JAIL... :banghead:

ColetheGun
05-15-2009, 1:53 AM
Disarming criminals is easy, just take their weapons when you PUT THEM IN JAIL... :banghead:
or just arm the victims before they are victimized? then they arnt victims...right?

hawk81
05-15-2009, 4:00 AM
This is not a loophole. Quit calling it that.

movie zombie
05-15-2009, 7:04 AM
"I had a staff of mine who went to a gun show, and they tried to sell her a .50-caliber sniper weapon"

??????

mz

Fate
05-15-2009, 9:12 AM
"I had a staff of mine who went to a gun show, and they tried to sell her a .50-caliber sniper weapon"

??????
I was wondering about that too. Maybe her staff member is a Virginia resident? At a VA gun show, I believe such a transaction would be legal.

That said, I wouldn't doubt that DiFi or her staff member would have difficulty distinguishing between a dealer and an individual sitting behind a vendor table (let alone a .50 cal rifle). :rolleyes:

Gator Monroe
05-15-2009, 9:17 AM
I don't see this happening, pro-gun democrats have already said this year that they won't allow this type of thing to get through.

50 pro gun Dems Vs. hundreds of Anti's- lol ...

dfletcher
05-15-2009, 9:22 AM
Step one - gun shows. Step two - all private sales will be ended and the government will control all firearms transactions. Hopefully this is framed as a private property issue.

Regarding "this type of thing" not getting through. I don't equate a person being on record as opposed to the AWB as meaning they'll be against other antigun legislation. McCain is against an AW ban, he's for ending private sales. I'm sure there are many others who would do the same.

Gator Monroe
05-15-2009, 9:28 AM
Step one - gun shows. Step two - all private sales will be ended and the government will control all firearms transactions. Hopefully this is framed as a private property issue.

Regarding "this type of thing" not getting through. I don't equate a person being on record as opposed to the AWB as meaning they'll be against other antigun legislation. McCain is against an AW ban, he's for ending private sales. I'm sure there are many others who would do the same.

These are Democrat steps (Posters here should not fool themselves thinking otherwise ...:)

AntiBubba 2.1
05-15-2009, 10:04 PM
Democratic lawmakers and one Republican told CNSNews.com on Wednesday that the so-called "gun show loophole" -- sales between private individuals, which never require a background check -- ought to be closed.

I noticed the RINO was not named. Anyone know?