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ontmark
05-11-2009, 5:42 PM
***ALERT for All Florida CCW License Holders***

Monday, May 11, 2009

Legislators Raid CCW Trust Fund - Try to Intimidate Governor



DATE: May 11, 2009
TO: USF & NRA Member and Friends
FROM: Marion P. Hammer
USF Executive Director
NRA Past President

In a last minute sneak attack on gun owners, the Florida Legislature raided the concealed weapons and firearms licensing trust fund. This not only effects resident CCW license holders, but non-resident Florida license holders as well!

They took $6 million from the Division of Licensing Concealed Weapons and Firearm Trust Fund that is intended, by law, to be used solely for administering the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program. (Read background information below)

Please Call, Fax, or Email Governor Charlie Crist IMMEDIATELY, and ask him to veto the $6 Million trust fund sweep from the Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services Division of Licensing authorized under Section 59 of the Conference Report of SB-2600.



Please send your email today!!!!!

And/or please contact the Governor's office by phone or fax ASAP.



Phone number: (850) 488-4441 or (850) 488-7146
Fax number: (850) 487-0801

Send your email to the Governor at this address: Charlie.Crist@MyFlorida.com

BACKGROUND:

Right now, the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program is backlogged and overloaded, due in part, to the refusal of budget officials and the Legislature to allow the Division of Licensing to use its own trust fund money to hire more employees and expand/upgrade equipment.

Crates of unopened mail containing license and license renewal applications sit in storage. The backlog of mail sitting unopened, at times, has extended beyond 90 days while existing licenses are expiring because renewal applications haven't been opened and processed.

Currently (although the Division of Licensing has been working weekend shifts to clear the backlog), it is taking 13-14 weeks to process a "perfect" application once it has been opened. That is an unequivocal violation of the law that requires issuance or denial of a license by a specific time a violation of law that legislative leaders are condoning by their actions.

THE LAW REQUIRES THE DIVISION OF LICENSING TO ISSUE A LICENSE WITHIN 90 DAYS OF RECEIPT OF THE APPLICATION -- or deny the license "for cause", based upon the criteria set forth in the law. Theft of operating funds by the Legislature is not "just cause" for failure to issue licenses or renewals within 90 days.

While applications sit gathering dust, legislative leaders took $6 million of approximately $8 million held in the trust fund. That $6 million is supposed to be used to pay employees, buy upgraded equipment, upgrade or replace computers or software and to otherwise administer the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program.

BUT, feigning a desperate need for funds for education and health care, legislative leaders recklessly and ruthlessly confiscated trust fund money. Why? Because they were building a so-called "working capital" fund for the 2010-12 legislative term, reported now to be in the neighborhood of $1.8 BILLION DOLLARS. This so-called "working capital fund" is for the use of future legislative leaders.

They didn't take that money for education. They didn't take that money for health care. They didn't take that money to save jobs. They didn't take that money to avoid pay cuts, or budget cuts -- they took the money to help build their own fund.

While Senate leadership reportedly fought to stop the ruthless raids on trust funds, in the end, they simply caved and let the House of Representatives prevail.



The bad behavior doesn't end there.



Obviously fearing the Governor would use his line-item veto to stop trust fund raids, proviso language was inserted in the bill in a clear attempt to intimidate the Governor.

The proviso language, states that if any portion of the moneys swept from this and other trust funds does not become law (meaning it is vetoed), that portion of the money shall be deducted from the EDUCATION BUDGET. This is clearly designed to keep the Governor from vetoing trust fund sweeps, and prevent trust fund money from being taken back out the House leadership's so-called "working capital" fund.

Money in the concealed weapons trust fund came from gun owners. No money to administer and run the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program has ever come from general revenue, or any other state fund or revenue source. The taking of these gun owner user fees is an unauthorized tax on the exercise of the Second Amendment.

AGAIN, Please call, fax and email Governor Crist IMMEDIATELY, and ask him to veto the $6 Million raid on the Concealed Weapons & Firearms Trust Fund!

Send your email to the Governor at this address: Charlie.Crist@MyFlorida.com



Please send your email today!!!!!



You may also call the Executive Office of the Governor at: (850) 488-7146.





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Sorry if this is already posted. I wanted to get it out before dinner

HondaMasterTech
05-11-2009, 7:03 PM
Truely disgusting. Isnt extortion illegal?

MP301
05-11-2009, 8:18 PM
Whew! I just got mine in the mail 4 days ago! I sure hope it gets worked out befoe my renewel in 7 years!

Ca consumer affairs got sneaky when they got backlogged years ago on exposed handgun permits. They just kicked them back regulary and said the finger prinrs were no good....even when DOJ did the prints.....

6172crew
05-11-2009, 8:38 PM
Whew! I just got mine in the mail 4 days ago! I sure hope it gets worked out befoe my renewel in 7 years!

Ca consumer affairs got sneaky when they got backlogged years ago on exposed handgun permits. They just kicked them back regulary and said the finger prinrs were no good....even when DOJ did the prints.....

Id make sure you and everyone on this board contacts them so it doesnt happen.. As a CA gun owner I know that we would have less if it were not for all the calls made by folks on this forum.

You cant hope with dirtbag, blue falcon, self servers. :cool:

hawk1
05-12-2009, 7:09 AM
That $6 million is supposed to be used to pay employees, buy upgraded equipment, upgrade or replace computers or software and to otherwise administer the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program.


The quote above from your post says the 6 mill was not appropriated for background checks but for the other items listed. Since FBI is the agency issuing the background check, not the state of Florida, then you should expect business as usual. Thats not to say things will get better as to issuing time, but it shouldn't prevent you from getting your permit.
In other words, they had the 6 million just sitting there and they were still not getting the job done within the mandated 90 days. People should be more pissed that they are paying for a service that they are not getting.

fuegoslow
05-12-2009, 12:45 PM
I think the point is that we should be outraged that a State Government is behaving in a criminal manner towards our 2A rights.

I have a Utah CCW, so I understand how Important it is for Legally Abled Citizens to not have a department that oversees the issuance of CCW permits be harrassed by the Anti-Gunners.

Extortion? Absolutely!

azn_wrx
05-14-2009, 2:46 PM
I really hope all of this gets sorted out.

4D5auto
05-14-2009, 3:50 PM
[QUOTE=MP301;2463906]Whew! I just got mine in the mail 4 days ago! I sure hope it gets worked out befoe my renewel in 7 years!

[QUOTE]

MP301

When was it changed to a 7 year permit?


http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/concealed_weapons_7yr.html

kermit315
05-14-2009, 5:52 PM
right after I got my 5 year permit in April of 2008

4D5auto
05-14-2009, 7:18 PM
So fairly recently. Wonder how much they uped the cost..

Found it! No extra cost!!


http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/concealed_weapons_7yr.html

ontmark
05-15-2009, 4:35 AM
***URGENT - TAX Imposed on Second Amendment Rights in Florida



DATE: May 14, 2009
TO: USF & NRA Member and Friends
FROM: Marion P. Hammer
USF Executive Director
NRA Past President

When government takes money from citizens for general use by government, IT'S A TAX.

When government confiscates user fees from trust funds intended to be used to administer specific programs and converts it to government use for other purposes, IT'S A TAX.

When government leaders claim to oppose tax increases and promise not to create new taxes but then raid trust funds, they have deceived you because THEY HAVE CREATED A NEW TAX.

In a last minute sneak attack on gun owners, the Florida Legislature raided the concealed weapons and firearms licensing trust fund and CREATED A TAX ON THE EXERCISE OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

They took $6 million from the Division of Licensing Concealed Weapons and Firearm Trust Fund that is intended, by law, to be used solely for administering the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program. THAT IS A DEFACTO TAX ON GUN OWNERS (Read background Information below).

Whether you are a resident or non-resident holder of a Florida Concealed Weapons and Firearms License, this affects you!

Please Call, Fax, or Email Governor Charlie Crist IMMEDIATELY, and ask him to VETO THE SECOND AMENDMENT TAX created by the confiscation of $6 million from the Division of Licensing Trust Fund.

Phone number: (850) 488-4441 or (850) 488-7146
Fax number: (850) 487-0801

Send your email to the Governor at this address:

Charlie.Crist@MyFlorida.com

Please send your email today!!!!! And/or please contact the Governor's office by phone or fax ASAP.

YOU MUST DO IT NOW. THE GOVERNOR WILL ACT ON THE BUDGET SOON.

BACKGROUND:

Because legislative budget officials have refused to allow the Division of Licensing to use their own trust fund money to hire necessary staff and upgrade equipment, the Concealed Weapons and Firearms Licensing program is in crisis.

It is a crisis created by the legislature and anti-gun budget staffers. They refused to allow gun owners' money to be used to administer the gun owner program -- as required by law -- then confiscated gun owners' money for their own political purposes. THEY CREATED A SECOND AMENDMENT TAX.

Right now, the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program is backlogged and overloaded due in part to the refusal of budget officials and the Legislature to allow the Division of Licensing to use its own trust fund money to hire more employees and expand/upgrade equipment.

Crates of unopened mail containing license and license renewal applications sit in storage. The backlog of mail sitting unopened, at times, has extended beyond 90 days while existing licenses are expiring because renewal applications haven't been opened and processed.

Currently (although the Division of Licensing has been working weekend shifts to clear the backlog), it is taking 13-14 weeks to process a "perfect" application once it has been opened. That is an unequivocal violation of the law that requires issuance or denial of a license by a time certain –– a violation of law that legislative leaders are condoning by their actions.

THE LAW REQUIRES THE DIVISION OF LICENSING TO ISSUE A LICENSE WITHIN 90 DAYS OF RECEIPT OF THE APPLICATION -- or deny the license "for cause," based upon the criteria set forth in the law. Theft of operating funds by the Legislature is not "just cause" for failure to issue licenses or renewals within 90 days.

Theft of those operating funds IS A TAX ON THE EXERCISE OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

While applications sit gathering dust, legislative leaders took $6 million of approximately $8 million held in the trust fund. That $6 million is supposed to be used to pay employees, buy upgraded equipment, upgrade or replace computers or software, and to otherwise administer the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program.

BUT, feigning a desperate need for funds for education and health care, legislative leaders recklessly and ruthlessly confiscated gun owners’ trust fund money. Why? Because they were building a so-called "working capital" fund for the 2010-12 legislative term, reported now to be in the neighborhood of $1.8 BILLION DOLLARS. This so-called "working capital fund" is for the use of future legislative leaders. THAT MAKES IT A TAX ON THE EXERCISE OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

While Senate leadership reportedly fought to stop the ruthless raids on trust funds, in the end, they simply caved and HELPED the House of Representatives CREATE A SECOND AMENDMENT TAX.

The bad behavior doesn't end there.

Obviously fearing the Governor would use his line-item veto to stop THE SECOND AMENDMENT TAX, proviso language was inserted in the bill in a clear attempt to intimidate the Governor.

The proviso language says that if any portion of the moneys swept from this and other trust funds does not become law (meaning it is vetoed), that portion of the money shall be deducted from the EDUCATION BUDGET. This is clearly designed to keep the Governor from vetoing THE SECOND AMENDMENT TAX, and prevent trust fund money from being taken back out the House leadership's so-called "working capital" fund.

Money in the concealed weapons trust fund came from gun owners. No money to administer and run the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program has ever come from general revenue, or any other state fund or revenue source. The taking of these gun owner user fees is a de facto tax on the exercise of the Second Amendment.

AGAIN, Please Call, Fax, or Email Governor Crist IMMEDIATELY, and ask him to STOP THE SECOND AMENDMENT TAX -- VETO THE $6 MILLION RAID on the Concealed Weapons & Firearms Trust Fund!

Send your email to the Governor at this address:

Charlie.Crist@MyFlorida.com

Please send your email today !!!!!

You may also call the Executive Office of the Governor at: (850) 488-7146

ontmark
05-20-2009, 10:36 AM
Gun fund raid faces fight
By Steve Bousquet, Times/Herald Tallahassee Bureau

Published Monday, May 18, 2009


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TALLAHASSEE — As more people in Florida seek concealed weapons permits, Agriculture Commissioner Charles Bronson wants Gov. Charlie Crist to veto a $6-million raid on a fund that pays for the program.

Bronson's request presents a timely opportunity for Crist to score political points with gun owners just as he's embarking on a race for the U.S. Senate.

In a letter to Crist, Bronson cited "unprecedented growth" in applications for gun permits that has created a "tremendous backlog" of cases to be processed. All applicants are subject to criminal background checks.

To balance the $66.5 billion state budget that takes effect July 1, legislators swept nearly $600 million from dozens of accounts known as trust funds. Most funds are sustained with fees that pay for specific programs.

The Division of Licensing trust fund consists of fees paid by applicants for concealed weapons permits as well as security, investigative and recovery licenses. Bronson's office said the $6 million sweep would leave between $2 million and $3 million in the fund.

"By law, the department is required to issue licenses within 90 days of receipt of a complete application," Bronson wrote in his letter to Crist dated May 14. "If we do not meet this time frame, an applicant may, by law, request the license to be issued even without the results of the criminal background check being reviewed. We simply cannot process all of these applications in a timely manner because of this unprecedented surge in new applications."

For months, in a trend seen as tied to President Barack Obama's election, the state has been flooded with tens of thousands of applications for concealed-weapons permits. Some retail stores in Florida have reported running out of ammunition as well.

A legislative budget committee in February gave Bronson the okay to spend $3.9 million more to hire 61 temporary workers.

In April, the state received 15,534 concealed weapons permit applications, compared with 9,207 in April a year ago. In March, the state received 12,809 applications, compared with 7,996 for the same month a year earlier.

Bronson's letter follows a similar plea from lobbyist Marion Hammer of the Unified Sportsmen of Florida, an affiliate of the National Rifle Association. She called the trust-fund sweep a tax and an attack on Second Amendment rights.

"In a last minute sneak attack on gun owners, the Florida Legislature raided the concealed weapons and firearms licensing trust fund and created a tax on the exercise of the Second Amendment," Hammer wrote. "That is a de facto tax on gun owners."

Crist, a candidate for the U.S. Senate who is expected to emphasize his support for gun rights, had no immediate reaction to Bronson's request. He has until May 30 to act on the budget.

"The governor appreciates the commissioner's letter. We continue to review the budget," spokeswoman Erin Isaac said Monday.

Bronson told reporters Monday that the sweep of the money caught him by surprise.

"It was all done in the last couple of days of the session. We certainly didn't recommend it," Bronson said. "Because we've had such registrations of concealed weapons permits coming in, we may have to put in more equipment, more modernized equipment, more people to handle the issues."

Times/Herald staff writer Alex Leary contributed to this report. Steve Bousquet can be reached at bousquet@sptimes.com.

TheBundo
05-21-2009, 10:45 AM
Well, Florida cashed my check last night, about 12 days after I mailed it in. Any idea how long it will be now, based on past experience?

ontmark
05-22-2009, 6:24 PM
Mailed my renewal application in on the 14th of April.
Received my new 7 year CCW License today in the mail.
It expires on 07/27/16. Seven years from the expiration date of my current Florida CCW