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h2harris
05-11-2009, 11:32 AM
My Utah CCW class continues twice monthly and for those new to handguns I have added the NRA "First Steps" pistol class which gives training specific to the handgun just purchased. Within the 3 hour "First Steps" class there is one hour of range coaching in groups of no larger than 4 shooters.

Details can be found in my website www.harrisonintl.us

Thanks,
Howard

chilly_bill
05-11-2009, 1:04 PM
Are they valid in CA?

Blackhawk556
05-11-2009, 1:13 PM
I dont think utah ccw is valid here, I'm probably wrong though.

let's say it isn't, why do people apply for this if they can't use it here in Cali?
this is an honest question

Requiem
05-11-2009, 1:14 PM
I dont think utah ccw is valid here, I'm probably wrong though.

let's say it isn't, why do people apply for this if they can't use it here in Cali?
this is an honest question

I don't understand it much either. But when I asked on this forum some people said just to use it in other states when they travel. *shrugs*

kaboom
05-11-2009, 1:25 PM
Because there is a huge list of states that have reciprocity agreements with Utah. If you get Utah and 1 other state, you can CC in a large portion of the free states. Oh, CA is not one of those states. IIRC CA has no reciprocity agreements with any other states.

jammer2k
05-11-2009, 1:32 PM
Because there is a huge list of states that have reciprocity agreements with Utah. If you get Utah and 1 other state, you can CC in a large portion of the free states. Oh, CA is not one of those states. IIRC CA has no reciprocity agreements with any other states.

True, I use mine when I visit in Nevada. The Utah CCW is great for us CA folks who can't get a CA CCW but would like to carry when we travel.

h2harris
05-11-2009, 3:50 PM
The advantage for a Utah or Florida CCW is that if traveling by car you can have a loaded firearm in and outside the car on your person. This is good for 31 states. Without the CCW, any firearms must be unloaded, boxed and in the trunk.

MRCCW
05-11-2009, 3:54 PM
I originally got the Utah permit because my wife and I travel a lot. We do Vegas at least 5 times a year, let alone travel to see family out of state. Some Utah permit facts..


Good in 29 states! (unfortunately, California is not one of them)
The permit can be obtained for less than $200 TOTAL
Its good for 5 years
Renewals are $10
No pistol list restriction
No need to qualify with firearm
Short 4 hour Lecture type class


If you EVER travel outside of California, it's hands down the best permit to have. Well, in my opinion anyway, but then again, I'm biased.:thumbsup:

Also, FYI, even if you can get a California CCW, its not valid in Nevada...:(

leitung
05-11-2009, 5:29 PM
Yeah that cracks me up, a California CCW is not good in Nevada.. LOL

I am looking to get my Utah CCW here when I hit 21.

kaboom
05-11-2009, 6:34 PM
I didn't even know they were that cheap to get and maintain for a non-resident. I think you have caught my attention. I may just be hitting you up. Do you actually have to travel to Utah to obtain the permit? I would assume so, but I may as well ask.

h2harris
05-11-2009, 7:56 PM
The Utah CCW class is taught here in California at the Optimist Club Rifle & Pistol Range, San Leandro. Yes, it is a good deal - $65.25 for five years and a $10 renewal for another five years.

gucci pilot
05-11-2009, 8:01 PM
My Utah CCW class continues twice monthly and for those new to handguns I have added the NRA "First Steps" pistol class which gives training specific to the handgun just purchased. Within the 3 hour "First Steps" class there is one hour of range coaching in groups of no larger than 4 shooters.

Details can be found in my website www.harrisonintl.us

Thanks,
Howard

Howard, I'm definitely interested in your class. How about one class a month on a weekend. It's tough to get down your way on a "school night".

goober
05-11-2009, 8:12 PM
The Utah CCW class is taught here in California at the Optimist Club Rifle & Pistol Range, San Leandro. Yes, it is a good deal - $65.25 for five years and a $10 renewal for another five years.
h2harris i'm just trying to understand the fees for your Utah CCW class-
looks to me like:
course $120
range fees $14
fingerprints $20
notary $10
for a total of $164 (assuming one needs the fingerprint & notary service)
is the $65 Utah CCW application fee on top of, or included in that total?
thanks.

timmyb21
05-11-2009, 10:01 PM
bookmarked...

Ifticar
05-11-2009, 10:29 PM
I dont think utah ccw is valid here, I'm probably wrong though.

let's say it isn't, why do people apply for this if they can't use it here in Cali?
this is an honest question

It isn't legal in CA. CA does not honor any other state's CCW.

The Utah CCW is usable in about two dozen states. If you travel....

If you don't travel, it is just cool to have. You can use it to impress your friends. Make up a good store and then back it up by whipping out the Utah CCW. If that is not enough, you can make an even better story by getting at Utah CCW badge.

http://www.center-fire.com/images/badge%20images/utlarge.jpg

MP301
05-12-2009, 4:54 AM
Heres the deal. I have a Nevada, Utah and Florida CCW. Here are some of the differences between them.

Utah

Good for 5 years, reciprocity with 30 states Incl. Washington State. CO and KS require you to be a resident of Utah for reciprocity. Florida also requires you to be a resident of Utah or have their Non-resident permit.

I got this permit cause I go to Washington.

Florida

Good for 7 years, reciprocity with 30 states not Incl. Washington State. Again, CO and KS require you to be a resident of Florida for reciprocity.

I got this permit because its the only way for me to carry in Florida nd its good for 7 years.

Nevada

Good for 5 years and reciprocity in 18 states. CO requires you to be a resident of Nevada.

I got this permit because I go to Nevada 6 plus times a year and if reciprocity were ever to be stopped with Florida and Utah, I would be screwed.

This is the best sight I have found and has an interactive map that shows where your CCW is good and where its not as well as other good info on state CCW laws and such...

http://www.handgunlaw.us/

h2harris
05-12-2009, 6:07 AM
The Harrison International Utah CCW class focuses on the legal use of Deadly Force, as a group we examine Utah law (which is very similar to the laws of California & other states). At the end of the class we examine the California Jury Instructions for Homicide and Manslaughter. The class also focuses on Interactive Act of Firing the Shot (Sight Alignment, Trigger Control, Grip) which give you more effective use of your weapon.

I like the way that the class has developed and believe that it gives good value.

Howard

Blackhawk556
05-12-2009, 11:28 AM
The advantage for a Utah or Florida CCW is that if traveling by car you can have a loaded firearm in and outside the car on your person. This is good for 31 states. Without the CCW, any firearms must be unloaded, boxed and in the trunk.

loaded in the passenger seat next to you. if a cop stops you sees it, you won't get thrown in jail?

i've never been interested in a ccw so i never looked it up all. but now things are changing :thumbsup:

MaxPower
05-12-2009, 12:31 PM
Very interested. I will look into setting up something in San Diego area in June. I will keep everyone posted on my progress. Thanks for the info.

h2harris
05-12-2009, 1:02 PM
Within the 31 States, the Utah CCW allows lawful , armed concealed carry while traveling by car. If stopped by the police (within the 31 states) it is advised keep both hands visible on the steering wheel - inform the Officer that you are a Utah CCW permit holder. That you are carrying a sidearm. Ask for instructions and follow them. You will be alright.

h2harris
05-13-2009, 10:03 AM
BAD NEWS FROM FLORIDA

DATE: May 11, 2009
TO: USF & NRA Member and Friends
FROM: Marion P. Hammer
USF Executive Director
NRA Past President

In a last minute sneak attack on gun owners, the Florida Legislature raided the concealed weapons and firearms licensing trust fund. This not only effects resident CCW license holders, but non-resident Florida license holders as well!

They took $6 million from the Division of Licensing Concealed Weapons and Firearm Trust Fund that is intended, by law, to be used solely for administering the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program. (Read background information below)

Please Call, Fax, or Email Governor Charlie Crist IMMEDIATELY, and ask him to veto the $6 Million trust fund sweep from the Department of Agriculture & Consumer Services Division of Licensing authorized under Section 59 of the Conference Report of SB-2600.

Please send your email today!!!!!

And/or please contact the Governor's office by phone or fax ASAP.

Phone number: (850) 488-4441 or (850) 488-7146
Fax number: (850) 487-0801

Send your email to the Governor at this address: Charlie.Crist@MyFlorida.com

h2harris
05-13-2009, 10:06 AM
BAD NEWS FROM -FLORIDA - BACKGROUND

BACKGROUND:

Right now, the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program is backlogged and overloaded, due in part, to the refusal of budget officials and the Legislature to allow the Division of Licensing to use its own trust fund money to hire more employees and expand/upgrade equipment.

Crates of unopened mail containing license and license renewal applications sit in storage. The backlog of mail sitting unopened, at times, has extended beyond 90 days while existing licenses are expiring because renewal applications haven't been opened and processed.

Currently (although the Division of Licensing has been working weekend shifts to clear the backlog), it is taking 13-14 weeks to process a "perfect" application once it has been opened. That is an unequivocal violation of the law that requires issuance or denial of a license by a specific time –– a violation of law that legislative leaders are condoning by their actions.

THE LAW REQUIRES THE DIVISION OF LICENSING TO ISSUE A LICENSE WITHIN 90 DAYS OF RECEIPT OF THE APPLICATION -- or deny the license "for cause", based upon the criteria set forth in the law. Theft of operating funds by the Legislature is not "just cause" for failure to issue licenses or renewals within 90 days.

While applications sit gathering dust, legislative leaders took $6 million of approximately $8 million held in the trust fund. That $6 million is supposed to be used to pay employees, buy upgraded equipment, upgrade or replace computers or software and to otherwise administer the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program.

BUT, feigning a desperate need for funds for education and health care, legislative leaders recklessly and ruthlessly confiscated trust fund money. Why? Because they were building a so-called "working capital" fund for the 2010-12 legislative term, reported now to be in the neighborhood of $1.8 BILLION DOLLARS. This so-called "working capital fund" is for the use of future legislative leaders.

They didn't take that money for education. They didn't take that money for health care. They didn't take that money to save jobs. They didn't take that money to avoid pay cuts, or budget cuts -- they took the money to help build their own fund.

While Senate leadership reportedly fought to stop the ruthless raids on trust funds, in the end, they simply caved and let the House of Representatives prevail.

The bad behavior doesn't end there.

Obviously fearing the Governor would use his line-item veto to stop trust fund raids, proviso language was inserted in the bill in a clear attempt to intimidate the Governor.

The proviso language, states that if any portion of the moneys swept from this and other trust funds does not become law (meaning it is vetoed), that portion of the money shall be deducted from the EDUCATION BUDGET. This is clearly designed to keep the Governor from vetoing trust fund sweeps, and prevent trust fund money from being taken back out the House leadership's so-called "working capital" fund.

Money in the concealed weapons trust fund came from gun owners. No money to administer and run the concealed weapons and firearms licensing program has ever come from general revenue, or any other state fund or revenue source. The taking of these gun owner user fees is an unauthorized tax on the exercise of the Second Amendment.

AGAIN, Please call, fax and email Governor Crist IMMEDIATELY, and ask him to veto the $6 Million raid on the Concealed Weapons & Firearms Trust Fund!

Send your email to the Governor at this address: Charlie.Crist@MyFlorida.com