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DDT
05-04-2009, 12:18 PM
Is anyone familiar with the process of selecting text books for CA schools?

It would be very interesting to put judicial pressure on CA to include the second amendment in any text book dealing with civil rights. It would also be good to ensure that it is covered properly in the classroom curricula since I'm pretty sure that is standardized as well.

Indoctrination of the youth is where the antis have made a lot of headway and now with Heller and Nordyke it would be very interesting to try and recover some ground there too.

7x57
05-04-2009, 12:25 PM
Done by district, I think, and often by individual teacher. In PUSD some years ago it was common for teachers to purchase a math curriculum out of their own funds because they hated the one the district provided. Probably only doable by changing the entire demographic base of the educational profession.

Probably the only effective way of attacking this for now is to combine with social conservatives and work on school vouchers. And that fight, like CCW, probably has to be won elsewhere first.

7x57

DDT
05-04-2009, 12:29 PM
Probably the only effective way of attacking this for now is to combine with social conservatives and work on school vouchers. And that fight, like CCW, probably has to be won elsewhere first.


Just as a point of clarification (derailing my own thread) school vouchers are not the sole property of social conservatives. I think that most libertarians also support vouchers.

DocSkinner
05-04-2009, 12:36 PM
Just as a point of clarification (derailing my own thread) school vouchers are not the sole property of social conservatives. I think that most libertarians also support vouchers.

so to go back on to the topic - only those that choose private schools should get to learn about 2A? Isn't that kinda like the CLEOs restricting CCW to their private groups? Or your posts DDT about inclusive - think semi auto rifles, not ARs - think all schools, not just private schools.

The first post topic is the correct topic - how do we get this information back into all schools, period.

and to pop back off - if those people interested in vouchers spent as much interest and time working to improve the schools we have instead of fighting to get vouchers, there would be no issue over needing private schools.

DDT
05-04-2009, 12:50 PM
so to go back on to the topic - only those that choose private schools should get to learn about 2A?

Huh? I never did nor would suggest such a thing.

Isn't that kinda like the CLEOs restricting CCW to their private groups? Or your posts DDT about inclusive - think semi auto rifles, not ARs - think all schools, not just private schools.

While I didn't suggest such a thing it is very different than discretionary issue in that even if we did target private schools first it would not exclude public schools from teaching about 2A. Discretionary issue does exclude non-buddies from carrying a firearm for protection.

if those people interested in vouchers spent as much interest and time working to improve the schools we have instead of fighting to get vouchers, there would be no issue over needing private schools.

I hate hijacking the thread this badly on just the 5th post but... This is not true, even if every voucher supporter worked hard toward fixing the public schools they'd still be a very small minority of parents AND they'd be working against the CTA Union and the Administration who frankly couldn't care less about their students beyond getting paid and politically indoctrinating the kids. With a voucher system the kids would go into a school where a majority of parents are involved and the teachers/administrators have to keep the parents happy and the kids educated if they want to keep their jobs.

yellowfin
05-04-2009, 12:54 PM
A very good question and a very good topic. How much time committment is needed to participate in school board meetings? How often are they held?

DDT
05-04-2009, 12:57 PM
A little googling turned up this:
http://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/cr/cf/

It does appear that the CA Board of Education does "approve" certain textbooks which pre-supposes that there are standards and material that must be covered.

However; The American Text Book Council (as late as 2005) wasn't sure there was actually any kind of meaningful "standard" http://www.historytextbooks.org/california.htm

I would really like to know what the process is for getting 2A "taught right" in CA schools.

7x57
05-04-2009, 1:00 PM
Just as a point of clarification (derailing my own thread) school vouchers are not the sole property of social conservatives. I think that most libertarians also support vouchers.

That's why I said "combine." To get them in wide use would take social conservatives and libertarians, and probably others. It's a hard sell because the educational monopoly will defend its monopoly with the same determination and amoral savagery that the European aristocracy defended it's monopoly. Just be glad the educators don't have a lot of weapons and troops. :eek:

7x57

berto
05-04-2009, 1:02 PM
A little googling turned up this:
http://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/cr/cf/

It does appear that the CA Board of Education does "approve" certain textbooks which pre-supposes that there are standards and material that must be covered.

However; The American Text Book Council (as late as 2005) wasn't sure there was actually any kind of meaningful "standard" http://www.historytextbooks.org/california.htm

I would really like to know what the process is for getting 2A "taught right" in CA schools.

Getting 2A in the book doesn't mean it will be taught correctly or taught at all.

DDT
05-04-2009, 1:23 PM
Getting 2A in the book doesn't mean it will be taught correctly or taught at all.

Having it treated improperly in the books makes it even less likely. At least the kids will have to thumb through that part to get to the next chapter if the teacher skips it. Plus nothing it more interesting to a teenager than that which the teacher tries to avoid.

Heck, it would be valuable just to get a proper legal message about 2A into whichever segment of the health ed classes currently spew "guns are bad - what do you do if you find a gun?"

nicki
05-04-2009, 1:41 PM
Perhaps some of us still have kids in the school system.

Perhaps we could sue to make sure that the books covering the issue of the second amendment are corrected.

Maybe have a special history days for the students with Q and A.

Perhaps a longterm goal could be have a weekend where we have our show and tell and show the history of private arms in the US.

Show development from the flintlocks through todays modern firearms.

Nicki

DDT
05-04-2009, 1:46 PM
This would be nice but VERY unlikely.
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/11/18/news/state/18_39_4911_17_06.txt


Funny, how some people think it's important to teach something other than abstinence when it comes to sex but not firearms.