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Rob Roy
05-04-2009, 11:32 AM
Do you think it's possible to change this? Was it tried before? Why does it also include rimfire? And why exactly 10 rounds is the magic number?

ke6guj
05-04-2009, 11:34 AM
Yes.
Yes.
Because they wrote it that way.
Maybe because the federal ban at the time was also 10-rounds.

CessnaDriver
05-04-2009, 11:37 AM
Elections have consequences.

CCWFacts
05-04-2009, 11:46 AM
I personally hate the 10-round limit a lot more than I hate the AWB. I hardly care about the AWs, but the 10-round limit basically means that all modern handguns must be sold with crippled magazines, and that has a real-world impact.

I hope the 10-round limit will be removed at some point.

AEC1
05-04-2009, 11:53 AM
I hate the 10 round limit and love the limit. When I go to Arizona to shoot and have my 30 rd mags, I spend twice as much on ammo.

At the same time I would like to have more then 10 for my self defence pistol.

jlh95811
05-04-2009, 12:09 PM
I hate the 10 round limit and love the limit. When I go to Arizona to shoot and have my 30 rd mags, I spend twice as much on ammo.

At the same time I would like to have more then 10 for my self defence pistol.

Indeed. With guns on the market today boasting nearly 20 round mag capacity(XDm 9mm) it is absolutely insane that we can only have 10. So essentially a guy in a town 150 miles from me is better equipped to handle more rounds? He is less likely to go nuts? It just shows how bad California has gotten. I do not even consider us a UNITED state any longer. We live in a seperate, oppressive nation. Kaliforniastan as some would call it.

nicki
05-04-2009, 12:30 PM
For handguns, it is annoying, the difference between 10 rounds and 15 rounds isn't that much.

Of course there are you guys who want the 20 to 33 shot handguns and for you guys it is a big deal.

Now rifles, that is another story. Big difference between 10 rounds versus 20 to 40 round mags.:eek:

This is something that should be addressed since it limits access to "commonly available magazines".

Nicki

Gator Monroe
05-04-2009, 12:41 PM
Elections have consequences.

Vote GOP in 10 !:thumbsup:

DocSkinner
05-04-2009, 12:41 PM
Indeed. With guns on the market today boasting nearly 20 round mag capacity(XDm 9mm) it is absolutely insane that we can only have 10. So essentially a guy in a town 150 miles from me is better equipped to handle more rounds? He is less likely to go nuts? It just shows how bad California has gotten. I do not even consider us a UNITED state any longer. We live in a seperate, oppressive nation. Kaliforniastan as some would call it.

no - the guy a few blocks away that just got out of prison and hooked back up with his homies is - we all know criminals follow all these laws and would never bring any into the state (or States). The only way they get them is from law abiding citizens, so if law abiding citizens don't have any, how could criminals possibly get them?

DocSkinner
05-04-2009, 12:48 PM
For handguns, it is annoying, the difference between 10 rounds and 15 rounds isn't that much.

Of course there are you guys who want the 20 to 33 shot handguns and for you guys it is a big deal.

Now rifles, that is another story. Big difference between 10 rounds versus 20 to 40 round mags.:eek:

This is something that should be addressed since it limits access to "commonly available magazines".

Nicki

It also limits a militia call as they can not show up equipped as needed for a modern militia, which is required... Trying to remember the wording, no time to look it up - bearings arms and equipment common to military use. Not sure many 10 round magazines get issued in the military?

Gator Monroe
05-04-2009, 12:50 PM
It also limits a militia call as they can not show up equipped as needed for a modern militia, which is required... Trying to remember the wording, no time to look it up - bearings arms and equipment common to military use. Not sure many 10 round magazines get issued in the military?

SKS !:thumbsup:

DocSkinner
05-04-2009, 12:54 PM
Vote GOP in 10 !:thumbsup:



Vote pro 2A, whatever affiliation.

SO tired of people that seem intelligent and capable of rational thought blowing that image by somehow not thinking and being a blind, party-line voter, and somehow that is good.

This is Cali - who's more likely to get actually win the election - a DEM that happens to be pro 2A, but fits the rest of the party line or a REP that is pro 2A and anti most everything else DEM??

If more pro 2A voters would stick either independent or DEM, we could get past all this crap, and put anti-2A away as a non mainstream division issue. As long as we let one party throw that carrot out and follow like sheep, we are no better than the other side that does the same. Quid pro quo.

Glock22Fan
05-04-2009, 1:00 PM
Vote pro 2A, whatever affiliation.

SO tired of people that seem intelligent and capable of rational thought blowing that image by somehow not thinking and being a blind, party-line voter, and somehow that is good.

This is Cali - who's more likely to get actually win the election - a DEM that happens to be pro 2A, but fits the rest of the party line or a REP that is pro 2A and anti most everything else DEM??

If more pro 2A voters would stick either independent or DEM, we could get past all this crap, and put anti-2A away as a non mainstream division issue. As long as we let one party throw that carrot out and follow like sheep, we are no better than the other side that does the same. Quid pro quo.

The only way I would vote for a pro gun democrat would be if the runner up looked like being an anti gun communist.

b.faust
05-04-2009, 1:05 PM
For me it's about the bullet button AND the 10 round limit on rifles. It's frustrating to have to take classes/training out of state, or not be able to participate in classes in Cal. because I didn't have the foresight to buy and register back before the ban went into place.
The main part of shooting for me is going to clinics and classes to get better skills and learn. That's a huge amount of the fun!

B.

flameboy
05-04-2009, 1:49 PM
If more pro 2A voters would stick either independent or DEM, we could get past all this crap, and put anti-2A away as a non mainstream division issue. As long as we let one party throw that carrot out and follow like sheep, we are no better than the other side that does the same. Quid pro quo.

Couldn't agree with you more. :thumbsup:

junker87
05-04-2009, 2:00 PM
This is Cali - who's more likely to get actually win the election - a DEM that happens to be pro 2A, but fits the rest of the party line or a REP that is pro 2A and anti most everything else DEM??

If more pro 2A voters would stick either independent or DEM, we could get past all this crap, and put anti-2A away as a non mainstream division issue. As long as we let one party throw that carrot out and follow like sheep, we are no better than the other side that does the same. Quid pro quo.

I don't know of ANY Democrats that is pro 2A.

Feinstein
Petara
Pelosi
Boxer
Weiss

The list goes on

ke6guj
05-04-2009, 2:59 PM
Here's a couple pro-2A Dems;
Joe Baca, San Bernardino
Rod Wright? , Los Angeles
John Dingell, Michigan, former NRA board member

Sobriquet
05-04-2009, 3:04 PM
I just want to get a modern hi-cap 9mm handgun like an HK P30. In my mind, CCW reform is #1 and the 10 round ban is #2.

We should be prioritizing things that affect personal safety before going after things on principle.

7x57
05-04-2009, 3:06 PM
I just want to get a modern hi-cap 9mm handgun like an HK P30. In my mind, CCW reform is #1 and the 10 round ban is #2.

We should be prioritizing things that affect personal safety before going after things on principle.

This will probably offend someone, but I'd say even more important than personal safety per se is expanding the franchise. CCW seems to do that more effectively than anything else.

7x57

Gator Monroe
05-04-2009, 3:13 PM
The only way I would vote for a pro gun democrat would be if the runner up looked like being an anti gun communist.

Exactly , but pollyanna Dem/Lib firearm affficianados here are not willing to pull the trigger on voting GOP yet ...:(

Sobriquet
05-04-2009, 3:28 PM
Exactly , but pollyanna Dem/Lib firearm affficianados here are not willing to pull the trigger on voting GOP yet ...:(

Exactly what drives certain people here to insult moderate fellow Calgunners and people who value *all* of their rights, not just the RKBA?

Now is the time to be courting moderate Californians, not driving them away with the impression that we're a bunch of extremist wackos. You're making a blanket statement that you'd never vote DNC while condemning others for not voting GOP. Blindly voting for a party without considering the candidate's positions is a bad idea regardless of affiliation.

We've got enough battles to fight these days without attacking each other.

M. Sage
05-04-2009, 3:45 PM
For me it's about the bullet button AND the 10 round limit on rifles. It's frustrating to have to take classes/training out of state, or not be able to participate in classes in Cal. because I didn't have the foresight to buy and register back before the ban went into place.
The main part of shooting for me is going to clinics and classes to get better skills and learn. That's a huge amount of the fun!

B.

Go featureless. It's much more useful than the BB. The BB just makes the rifle "look right".

Hans Gruber
05-04-2009, 3:50 PM
Exactly what drives certain people here to insult moderate fellow Calgunners and people who value *all* of their rights, not just the RKBA?

Now is the time to be courting moderate Californians, not driving them away with the impression that we're a bunch of extremist wackos. You're making a blanket statement that you'd never vote DNC while condemning others for not voting GOP. Blindly voting for a party without considering the candidate's positions is a bad idea regardless of affiliation.

We've got enough battles to fight these days without attacking each other.

+10000000

Our position isn't so strong that we can just throw away support.

DDT
05-04-2009, 3:51 PM
Exactly what drives certain people here to insult moderate fellow Calgunners and people who value *all* of their rights, not just the RKBA?

Many people hold the belief that, of all the rights, the RKBA is the one that prevents the taking of the others.

Legasat
05-04-2009, 4:18 PM
Vote for the candidate / issues, not the party.

Gator Monroe
05-05-2009, 7:41 AM
Many people hold the belief that, of all the rights, the RKBA is the one that prevents the taking of the others.

That seems to elude the folks who think Gay rights and Choice and Progressive/Socialistic values trump 2A ...

darkshier
05-05-2009, 7:45 AM
I just don't understand how it's okay for this law to discriminate against younger shooters. I wasn't old enough to buy pistols and long guns before the ban, so why should I have to suffer because of my age? Discrimination at it's finest.

Gator Monroe
05-05-2009, 7:49 AM
I just don't understand how it's okay for this law to discriminate against younger shooters. I wasn't old enough to buy pistols and long guns before the ban, so why should I have to suffer because of my age? Discrimination at it's finest.

Discrimination caused by Democrats ! Remember that in 10 AND VOTE Accordingly...

rp55
05-05-2009, 8:59 AM
Vote GOP in 10 !:thumbsup:

Oh yeah Meg Whitman, Steve Poizner and Tom Campbell are all ardent supporters of the Second Amendment!

NOT!

It sounds bizarre, hell it is bizarre, but the the most pro gun (or at least the least anti-gun) candidate running for Governor now is Jerry Brown.

Such are the depths that the Republican Party has sunk too. It's scary (and admittedly highly unlikely) but if the Dems were to throw the anti-gunners under the bus and get solidly behind the RKBA it's possible they could pwn the entire country.

BTF/PTM
05-05-2009, 9:59 AM
10-round mags are assinine. If you can't hit your target with the first 10 rounds the next five you may have with a normal size pistol mag won't help you, and anyway a capable shooter with a revolver and a couple speed loaders is every bit as effective as a pair of 10-round mags. Rifles are no different (except for the speed loader bit, of course). It isn't these regulations in and of themselves that infuriates me - it's the absolutely ridiculous, flawed logic that's supported to justify them that infuriates me.

Rob Roy
05-05-2009, 10:17 AM
If you can't hit your target with the first 10 rounds the next five you may have with a normal size pistol mag won't help you, and anyway a capable shooter with a revolver and a couple speed loaders is every bit as effective as a pair of 10-round mags. Rifles are no different (except for the speed loader bit, of course).

If that's the case, why military and police need high cap mags with all their training then... IMO, less trained people need more rounds under stress... HD/SD is a different beast, unlike paper punching. Also, I doubt you'll find soldiers or LEOs, who'd love the idea to have low cap mags.

Gator Monroe
05-05-2009, 10:21 AM
Oh yeah Meg Whitman, Steve Poizner and Tom Campbell are all ardent supporters of the Second Amendment!

NOT!

It sounds bizarre, hell it is bizarre, but the the most pro gun (or at least the least anti-gun) candidate running for Governor now is Jerry Brown.

Such are the depths that the Republican Party has sunk too. It's scary (and admittedly highly unlikely) but if the Dems were to throw the anti-gunners under the bus and get solidly behind the RKBA it's possible they could pwn the entire country.
Who are those guy's ? Try a Conservative GOP person runnin for Gov ...

Jpach
05-05-2009, 10:23 AM
10 rd limit sucks. Cant wait until its gone

dfletcher
05-05-2009, 10:37 AM
As an east coast transplant (and having been around a while in general and in CA since 1989) CA Republicans have always seemed to me to be either socially liberal (to include gun control) or off the wall. Mostly socially liberal like Governor Warren, Goodie Knight, Nixon, Sen Kuchel and Mayor Riordan or Dukmejian with a few of them that I think would be called a bit nuts like Sen Murphy, Knowland, Schmitz or Dornan. I'm having a bit of trouble thinking of any prominent Republican in CA that I'd think of as conservative and whatever would be thought of as "normal" - or at least normal enough to not offend the hell out of most folks.

BTF/PTM
05-05-2009, 10:42 AM
If that's the case, why military and police need high cap mags with all their training then... IMO, less trained people need more rounds under stress... HD/SD is a different beast, unlike paper punching. Also, I doubt you'll find soldiers or LEOs, who'd love the idea to have low cap mags.

I don't pretend to know what law enforcement and military should or shouldn't have for an arsenal, my point was more directed at the fact that, in the event of a panick fire fight, all a person with 10-rounders needs is more magazines. I can't carry 15 rounds in a mag? Ok, I'll just carry four mags instead of three. Doesn't solve anything, doesn't make someone with intentions of firing blindly into a crowd any less dangerous. And chances are, the person who eventually takes that guy out is a highly trained rifleman who needs exactly one round to take care of the problem. Hell, that rifle probably doesn't even use a magazine. Point is, whoever figured out to suggest that carrying less rounds at any given time makes guns safer was an idiot and didn't bother to get any three of his neural synapses firing in tandem to complete the thought.

Rob Roy
05-05-2009, 10:48 AM
I don't pretend to know what law enforcement and military should or shouldn't have for an arsenal, my point was more directed at the fact that, in the event of a panick fire fight, all a person with 10-rounders needs is more magazines. I can't carry 15 rounds in a mag? Ok, I'll just carry four mags instead of three. Doesn't solve anything, doesn't make someone with intentions of firing blindly into a crowd any less dangerous. And chances are, the person who eventually takes that guy out is a highly trained rifleman who needs exactly one round to take care of the problem. Hell, that rifle probably doesn't even use a magazine. Point is, whoever figured out to suggest that carrying less rounds at any given time makes guns safer was an idiot and didn't bother to get any three of his neural synapses firing in tandem to complete the thought.
Oh, yeah, otherwise if they did we all would be stuck with 1 round mags or worse none, just one in the chamber...

rp55
05-05-2009, 11:00 AM
Whitman, Poizner and Campbell are going to be your choices in the Republican primary. Whitman is ex-eBay CEO on record as very anti-gun. Poizner is a Silicon Valley billionaire who tried to buy a seat in the Assembly and failed so he bought himself the position of California Insurance Commissioner. Asking him about his positions on gun control in a press conference will get you ejected. Campbell is an ex-Berkley professor, ex-South Bay congressman with an anti-gun voting record. An excellent rule of thumb is that any Republican from the San Francisco Bay area will be virulently anti-gun. Hell, in almost any other state they'd be considered liberal Democrats.


Who are those guy's ? Try a Conservative GOP person runnin for Gov ...

KDOFisch
05-05-2009, 11:08 AM
Too many posts to quote on this, so I'll be as clear as I can.

It IS strange that, 150 miles East of here, some guy can have a Glock with 17 rounds or, for that matter, an AR with a 100-round Beta C Mag and not be treated like a 'criminal' or something. We are the UNITED States still, and it seems odd to me that many people in CA forget that, the occasional mass shooting notwithstanding, most other states in the Union allow any capacity of magazine to be possessed without consequence. Heller cum Nordyke, things are very different now. It seems we've evened the playing field again.

We recently saw in the case of the terrorist
attack on Mumbai that terrorists may enter a country
covertly by ocean routes, landing in small craft and then
assembling to wreak havoc. That we have a lawfully armed
populace adds a measure of security for all of us and makes
it less likely that a band of terrorists could make headway in
an attack on any community before more professional forces
arrived.1

Boy, that'd be a real shame if this were the case, especially if I had to reload ten rounds every 20 seconds and find some stupid hunk of metal to jam against the mag well. Screw that. Meanwhile, when terrorists raid Vegas (w00t Rainbow Six!), the civilians stand a fighting chance. Doesn't seem fair. The combination of the AWB and SB-23's magazine restrictions puts me at a distinct tactical and defensive disadvantage in comparison to the arms (and their magazines) in common use in 43 other states. I'm not saying I'm a hero, a martyr, a soldier or LEO. But if it came down to needing the standard capacity magazine of a weapon in a situation like this, it'd be a damŮ shame if I couldn't go >10 if I really needed it- especially if lives are at stake.

Someone had posted to go featureless, which I've tried. MM Grip, U-15, and it's just not the same. The issue with MMs etc. is that they may functionally (and cosmetically) follow the regulations and laws in place, but they also go against the design and intended operation of the rifle. Gene Stoner didn't really conceive a MM grip in 1956 while designing his rifle. Nor did Kalashnikov for that matter. I'm happy they've sold like crazy in this state, but I've personally been unable to exhibit the same control over the rifle as I can with a pistol grip. That's my opinion, and before I'm accused of further threadjacking, I'll end my rant and say that mag capacity and AWB are joined at the hip. They both must go ASAP.

lioneaglegriffin
05-05-2009, 11:19 AM
Who are those guy's ? Try a Conservative GOP person runnin for Gov ...

i thought you said vote GOP 10,12 , now they have to be conservative to0 :eek:

CessnaDriver
05-05-2009, 12:15 PM
10 rd limit sucks. Cant wait until its gone

Good attitude.
It will be gone someday.:thumbsup:

KWA-S
05-05-2009, 3:59 PM
Man, I'm just thinking how much cash Cali could make if they taxed the heck out of magazines, then made 15 round mags legal, waited a few months, made 20 rounders legal, etc. Too bad they hate guns more than they like money.

kalguns
05-05-2009, 4:03 PM
Vote GOP in 10 !:thumbsup:

Meet the new boss ssame as the old boss

jumbopanda
05-05-2009, 4:28 PM
Yea I really hate the fact that pistols need crippled mags and that I can't use cheap, commonly available 30rd mags for pistol gripped AKs and ARs. But other other hand, my favorite guns right now are my .45acp 1911 and .50 Beowulf AR so the 10 round limit doesn't bug me that much.

Gator Monroe
05-05-2009, 7:37 PM
Meet the new boss ssame as the old boss

A George Wallace Democrat is not the same as a Socialist Progressive Democrat ?:eek:

2009_gunner
05-05-2009, 7:48 PM
Who else thinks the 10 round mag limit could be lawsuit #3 since we got Nordyke? First was the roster, then CCW separated by a week. Definitely looking forward to the next.

steve40
05-06-2009, 1:04 AM
Man, I'm just thinking how much cash Cali could make if they taxed the heck out of magazines, then made 15 round mags legal, waited a few months, made 20 rounders legal, etc. Too bad they hate guns more than they like money.



ya, california would make so much money if they they legalized and taxed hi cap mags, its an untapped resource of money that they could make but make themselves blind and would be especially most HELPFUL IN THIS ECONOMY were all in right now. the people that run this state are so retarded, i sware. i blame the elitist people like that STEPHEN FOWLER guy that was on that wife or spouse swap tv show that aired a few months back. lol :43: idk if you guys remember that episode.

Mayhem
05-06-2009, 2:11 AM
I don't know of ANY Democrats that is pro 2A.

Feinstein
Petara
Pelosi
Boxer
Weiss

The list goes on

Dennis Cardoza Dem Ca Dist 18.

Started with a D NRA rating won the election against an A rated republican. Currently Holds a solid A rating from the NRA rating. He Was unopposed in the last election.

Signed the "We do not want to reinstate the assault weapons and high cap mag ban, so shut up" letter that was sent to Holder.

http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/AWBLettertoHolder309.pdf

Dennis Cardoza and Joe Baca are the only democrat representives from California to sign.

aileron
05-06-2009, 5:17 AM
ya, california would make so much money if they they legalized and taxed hi cap mags, its an untapped resource of money that they could make but make themselves blind and would be especially most HELPFUL IN THIS ECONOMY were all in right now.



If a gun was designed with 15 rounds in the magazine, that's the standard capacity of the gun. If you buy a magazine for that same gun that has 20 rounds in the magazine that's a high-cap magazine.

We here in cali are being sold restricted capacity magazines.

So why in gods name would I want to tax the standard capacity magazine? There is nothing unique about it... The 10 rounder is the abnormal magazine. I wont acknowledge the high-cap mantra. You're allowing the other side to frame the argument. Don't acknowledge it. Call our mags restricted capacity magazines, that's what they are.

BTF/PTM
05-06-2009, 7:26 AM
ya, california would make so much money if they they legalized and taxed hi cap mags, its an untapped resource of money that they could make but make themselves blind and would be especially most HELPFUL IN THIS ECONOMY were all in right now. I want normal capacity mags too, but for eff's sake do NOT give this state any more suggestions on how to rape us for more freaking money. Cancel the near 100% increase on my vehicle registration and then we'll talk about what else our Guvmint can use to bargain with.

Rob Roy
05-06-2009, 7:37 AM
If a gun was designed with 15 rounds in the magazine, that's the standard capacity of the gun. If you buy a magazine for that same gun that has 20 rounds in the magazine that's a high-cap magazine.

We here in cali are being sold restricted capacity magazines.

So why in gods name would I want to tax the standard capacity magazine? There is nothing unique about it... The 10 rounder is the abnormal magazine. I wont acknowledge the high-cap mantra. You're allowing the other side to frame the argument. Don't acknowledge it. Call our mags restricted capacity magazines, that's what they are.
That's very true.

phamkl
05-06-2009, 8:11 AM
Extra taxes for high cap? I think the sales tax is already plenty. Taxing our rights is a pyrrhic victory at best.

Oldnoob
05-06-2009, 10:06 AM
A bit late, but I'm willing to vote for any pro 2A Dem than any anti 2A Rep.

steve40
05-06-2009, 10:20 AM
If a gun was designed with 15 rounds in the magazine, that's the standard capacity of the gun. If you buy a magazine for that same gun that has 20 rounds in the magazine that's a high-cap magazine.

We here in cali are being sold restricted capacity magazines.

So why in gods name would I want to tax the standard capacity magazine? There is nothing unique about it... The 10 rounder is the abnormal magazine. I wont acknowledge the high-cap mantra. You're allowing the other side to frame the argument. Don't acknowledge it. Call our mags restricted capacity magazines, that's what they are.


i didnt mean as if i would LOVE them to tax it, but seeing how we all are not gonna be able to use 10+ mags in the near future in cali, saying that tax 10+ would be a first step to using them. then after some time goes by, try to push that tax out from buying 10+ mags. but it was just a suggestion, so relax aileron, dont have a heart attack, lol, jk. i can see your fustration, were all feeling it. :)

DocSkinner
05-06-2009, 10:40 AM
Many people hold the belief that, of all the rights, the RKBA is the one that prevents the taking of the others.

But if we sacrifice the others for the 2nd, then what is left to defend? This is no different than those that sacrifice the 2nd for the others.

It is THE Bill of Rights, not the Bills of rights.
United they stand, or divided they fall.

I register Independent or DEM, and vote in the DEM PRIMARIES, where a pro 2A voice can be heard. I then wind up usually voting REP over the 2A issue. But unless more pro 2A people vote in the DEM primaries, then we will NEVER have pro 2A DEMs. Pretty simple...

DocSkinner
05-06-2009, 10:48 AM
Who are those guy's ? Try a Conservative GOP person runnin for Gov ...

But then **I** don't want to be told how to live *MY* life by someonelse's church's tenets. maybe if REP could get THAT through their head, they wouldn't be loosing people left and right. Rember 1A - Freedom of religion. That doesn't mean freedom to assert your religion over me. Do that and we will all be living by the Book of Mormon.

Ready to give up beer, wine, coffee, tea, etc.?

aileron
05-06-2009, 11:07 AM
i didnt mean as if i would LOVE them to tax it, but seeing how we all are not gonna be able to use 10+ mags in the near future in cali, saying that tax 10+ would be a first step to using them. then after some time goes by, try to push that tax out from buying 10+ mags. but it was just a suggestion, so relax aileron, dont have a heart attack, lol, jk. i can see your fustration, were all feeling it. :)

Wasn't trying to come off aggravated or ranting at you, just trying to show the reality of the other side framing this argument, and us gunnies falling for it. That we best not do that, give it back to them for what it is.

As far as taxing goes; I know of no taxes that get removed after they are put in place. I'm sure it happens once in awhile, but I'd be hard pressed to show you where it has.

Alphahookups
05-06-2009, 5:55 PM
For handguns, it is annoying, the difference between 10 rounds and 15 rounds isn't that much.


50% more rounds isn't sufficient for you? Seems kinda arbitrary too:confused:

DocSkinner
05-06-2009, 7:01 PM
50% more rounds isn't sufficient for you? Seems kinda arbitrary too:confused:

well, if you are trying to do 5 round groups, its 2 groups between reloads or 3 groups. If you are getting attacked, by more than a couple of people people, 15 does allow for enough non-centermass hits to at least slow down 3-4 people! 10, might only knock down 2-3 of the 4!

Either way it is really an arbitrary and inane number pulled out of air. Although with 15-20 in a mag, I don't feel as awkward not having a back up magazine immediately handy. 1 pistol 2 10 rounders to fumble around with, or just the pistol and its 15-20 rounder...

M. Sage
05-06-2009, 7:05 PM
50% more rounds isn't sufficient for you? Seems kinda arbitrary too:confused:

Not when you compare it to a rifle, which is what I think her point was.

10 vs 20-30 in many full-power battle-rifle styles.

10 vs 30+ (up to a hundred or more) in many intermediate carbines.

Alphahookups
05-06-2009, 7:44 PM
Not when you compare it to a rifle, which is what I think her point was.

10 vs 20-30 in many full-power battle-rifle styles.

10 vs 30+ (up to a hundred or more) in many intermediate carbines.

I understood the point with rifles, but I thought the "it's annoying, the difference isn't that much" was a little over the top.

IMO, the magazine limit affects WAY more people that purchase handguns then it does people that have magazine fed rifles.

LG1980
05-06-2009, 8:01 PM
Do you think it's possible to change this? Was it tried before? Why does it also include rimfire? And why exactly 10 rounds is the magic number?

According to a NRA article I read, originally the 1994 AWB proposed 6 rounds (like a revolver) but that was considered too restrictive. Why not 7, 8 or 9? I'm not sure. I've heard that some LEOs were involved in the original draft and it's possibly related to the often heard "police are outgunned by criminals" argument.

Since standard magazines are often 15, 17 or nowadays 19 rounds, perhaps it was a compromise to have 2 digits.

Uxi
05-06-2009, 8:41 PM
Completely arbitrary (like most gun laws) and hopefully can be overtuned as such.

Rob Roy
05-06-2009, 9:23 PM
According to a NRA article I read, originally the 1994 AWB proposed 6 rounds (like a revolver) but that was considered too restrictive. Why not 7, 8 or 9? I'm not sure. I've heard that some LEOs were involved in the original draft and it's possibly related to the often heard "police are outgunned by criminals" argument.

Since standard magazines are often 15, 17 or nowadays 19 rounds, perhaps it was a compromise to have 2 digits.

This "police are outgunned by criminals" argument is total BS. Like criminals are gonna care about these restrictions, moreover register their firearms.