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Big048
05-01-2009, 11:37 PM
Hey all,

Looks like Big 5 is branching out a bit and now carrying an Archangel kit, http://archangelmanufacturing.com/
I haven't found much on this, though to be honest I haven't looked really hard yet, do any of you more knowledgeable gun guys/gals know anything about this kit.
I guess I'm wondering if I should keep it out or bury it on a shelf?

hondamanr
05-02-2009, 4:00 AM
big 5?

Big048
05-02-2009, 6:21 AM
Yup, the Big Nickel. I thought it was an airsoft gun when I first saw it.

austin234
05-02-2009, 9:51 AM
i saw one on gunbroker this morning, they look pretty cool but thats all i can say

Cal-Irish
05-02-2009, 10:01 AM
Do they have the kits or does it come assembled? Have you seen it at many big 5's?

ITZJT
05-02-2009, 3:40 PM
I saw the stock kit with bayonet Thursday at the Yuba City store with a $199.00 price tag on it. what do they usually go for?

gcvt
05-02-2009, 4:44 PM
MSRP looks to be $199.

jmlivingston
05-02-2009, 4:49 PM
I might finally have a reason (err... excuse?) to buy a 10/22.

jeffyboy
05-02-2009, 10:43 PM
I saw one at J&R Gun Supply in Livermore today....didn't get the price...but it was a nice looking kit.

smokinskul
05-02-2009, 10:47 PM
I have one, it assembles over the 10/22 receiver and barrel. It took me about an hour to put it together, but it looks awsome!

Gunaria
05-02-2009, 11:40 PM
I might finally have a reason (err... excuse?) to buy a 10/22.

Get one and put one of Ojisan's 10/22 Fungun kit on it.:thumbsup:

gotgunz
05-03-2009, 1:19 AM
I saw the stock kit with bayonet Thursday at the Yuba City store with a $199.00 price tag on it. what do they usually go for?

Name of store?

hondamanr
05-03-2009, 1:49 AM
dude... that looks tight... has anyone seen this in a so cal (LA area) big 5?


i'd love to check it out...

Seesm
05-03-2009, 2:46 AM
Looks cool I think the whole kit is plastic but cool none the less...

Big048
05-03-2009, 9:43 AM
It looks to be limited to specific stores in the Big 5 chain. Your gonna have to call the stores individually to see who's got it. Anyone in the Bay Area, the Sunnyvale Big 5 has one.

ITZJT
05-03-2009, 11:41 AM
Name of store?

Big 5 :p

wcnones
05-04-2009, 9:16 PM
They had this in stock at Ammo Bros this past Saturday...looked pretty nifty.

B.D.Dubloon
05-04-2009, 9:24 PM
Looks good, too bad it costs almost as much as a new 10/22.

Gary13
05-05-2009, 7:33 AM
My local gun shop put one together, think they were selling it ready to shoot for about $350.

Defense Shooter
05-05-2009, 9:52 AM
they had the kit in turners in corona for $199, I almost bought it. Being the penny pincher that I am, I bought it at glockworld.com for 166 shipped.

SKSer
05-05-2009, 2:59 PM
that does look sick, kinda reminds me of a SIG 556

ITZJT
05-07-2009, 12:46 AM
My local gun shop put one together, think they were selling it ready to shoot for about $350.

name of shop?

ITZJT
05-07-2009, 12:46 AM
they had the kit in turners in corona for $199, I almost bought it. Being the penny pincher that I am, I bought it at glockworld.com for 166 shipped.

how were they on shipping time?

MadPete
05-07-2009, 8:28 AM
I put one of these together about a month ago and just went out to Angeles yesterday to try it out. I put a red dot on it and after a few mags sighted it in pretty good and it will hit very accurately to 100 yards. Lots of fun, and it looks killer. I highly recommend it for the .22 guy who wants to try something different.

Defense Shooter
05-07-2009, 5:58 PM
I ordered on 4/30 at 10pm it was sent 5/5 and fed ex shows delivery date of 5/9

Oregonish
05-07-2009, 6:48 PM
Big 5 in fremont has one, the one by "the HUB", sign up for the big 5 club online, they send you a 10% coupon email, and bingo, your set!! Plus, you CAN use the coupon, because it's not a firearm!!!!!

ITZJT
05-07-2009, 7:02 PM
I ordered on 4/30 at 10pm it was sent 5/5 and fed ex shows delivery date of 5/9

Thanks! thats not bad at all bout the same time I gotta wait for the 10 day wait

ITZJT
05-07-2009, 7:03 PM
Big 5 in fremont has one, the one by "the HUB", sign up for the big 5 club online, they send you a 10% coupon email, and bingo, your set!! Plus, you CAN use the coupon, because it's not a firearm!!!!!

I have that even with the 20% coupon it costs more than glockworld shipped.....anyone have a coupon code for glockworld.com? ;)

audiophil2
05-21-2009, 2:21 PM
I just got one today from Ron at suronenterprises.com.
$148.xx plus tax. Great FFL in Sonoma County.
I'll assemble it over the weekend and take it to Circle S next week for a test run.

ITZJT
05-21-2009, 2:59 PM
I just got one today from Ron at suronenterprises.com.
$148.xx plus tax. Great FFL in Sonoma County.
I'll assemble it over the weekend and take it to Circle S next week for a test run.

good deal!:thumbsup: post some pics once its done please and any feedback as far as fit and form etc....I pick up my 10/22 on the 30th and want to buy the kit as well

bigcalidave
05-21-2009, 10:24 PM
I wish we could buy charger pistols in this screwed up state, because that archangel pistol kit looks great!

slick_711
05-21-2009, 10:41 PM
Summary: It's a neat kit for an AR looking .22. It may not be the highest quality option, but at $150-190 it's fun.

My full $0.02:

$199 is about right as "retail" for the deluxe kit (includes BUIS). I've put a few of them together. I'll admit it's a neat little kit for an AR feel in .22LR. But that said, between the cost of the kit and the 10/22, any AR owner may be better off with a dedicated .22LR upper? I did think to myself "neat-o kid's training with dad rifle" when I finished the first assembly though.

Fit on the kits I've assembled is decent, although consistently the piece that covers the top of the receiver is supposed to screw down into the scope mount holes and will not line up properly. Seems to be fine without those four little screws, as there is a large screw on either end. Just make sure those are extra tight. On that note, don't OVER tighten anything, I did crack one of the kits in one spot (screw that holds forearm rail to "lower/magwell" portion.

Make sure you follow the directions on assembly (especially in heating the muzzle device, or it will most likely crack during install). It is entirely plastic, but once assembled it feels pretty sturdy.

caoboy
05-22-2009, 1:08 AM
I just got one today from Ron at suronenterprises.com.
$148.xx plus tax. Great FFL in Sonoma County.
I'll assemble it over the weekend and take it to Circle S next week for a test run.

Did you have to purchase in store or can he ship it?
I've emailed the person on the 'contact us' page about it, but no response yet.

caoboy
05-22-2009, 1:16 AM
GLockworld is selling it for 147.xx heheheh

Gary13
05-22-2009, 5:08 PM
name of shop?

Barnwood Arms in Ripon.

audiophil2
05-24-2009, 8:36 PM
Did you have to purchase in store or can he ship it?
I've emailed the person on the 'contact us' page about it, but no response yet.

I purchased it in his shop/house. I don't see why he couldn't ship the kit. The owner, Ron, is a one person FFL out in the country so don't expect lightning quick response time. I think he has personal business to take care of so give him a few days to reply.

The demo I was playing with seemed pretty sturdy.
I was originally going to go with a .22LR bolt conversion but decided shooting .22LR in a 1/9 twist barrel won't be much fun especially with 10rnd mags. I could not justify spending so much money on a dedicated upper. I had a 10/22 already that had a beat up wood stock so this kit along with using my 25rnd mags in a rifle designed for .22LR sealed the deal.

Seesm
05-24-2009, 8:51 PM
I am waiting to find a used one... :)

mcat707
05-24-2009, 9:03 PM
Here is one on GB for $139.99

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=129855970

Would you guys say this is a good price for the kit?

BroncoBob
05-24-2009, 9:38 PM
The kit is $199 then add the price of the 10/22

caoboy
05-26-2009, 10:50 AM
I keep going back and forth between this and a Blackhawk stock. I think I just want this for the tacticool factor. Anybody have pictures of their ARS package?

From the site/ads it looks too plastic like for me...

CLUTCH
05-26-2009, 12:42 PM
i was looking to buy a new 22 looks like its gonna be a ruger!

ITZJT
05-26-2009, 1:10 PM
Here is one on GB for $139.99

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=129855970

Would you guys say this is a good price for the kit?

I'd say it WAS! Thanks! :thumbsup:

k0ncept
05-26-2009, 1:15 PM
Big 5 on Whittier BLVD in Whittier has oine in stock @ $199

mcat707
05-26-2009, 2:35 PM
I'd say it WAS! Thanks! :thumbsup:

Glad to be of assistance :). You just saved me $154.99 :thumbsup:

chsk9
05-27-2009, 12:31 AM
Go figure... my Big-5 stopped selling guns and would not inter-store either... they lost my business and I told them so!

audiophil2
05-28-2009, 10:12 PM
So i took my Archangel kit out to the range today. The following is a short review of the kit.
It was great! Of course it is a 10/22 in disguise so the shooting was the same.
Prepping the 10/22 for conversion:
Very easy. The included instructions are very good but for a novice like me I needed internet help. Toughest part was tapping out the stock sights. It took me awhile to figure out the sights tap out left to right. Everything else was cake.
Fit and finish:
Tolerable. It's a plastic kit that needs finishing touches with a dremel to get a close fit. The magwell takes factory 10/22 10round mags without a hiccup but my BC 25rnd mags were too tight. I will dremel out the magwell to fix this. The top rail does not line up/install over the receiver properly. It's too tight so I will remove it and dremel it out, too. There are no other issues I can think of at this time.
Range time:
I tossed on a cheap Bushnell 3-9x/32 scope from the 10/22 and mounted it on Aimsurplus rings. I took it to an indoor range and was hitting exactly where I aimed within a few minutes of adjustment. I then drove out to an outdoor range and after re-adjustment I was making sub 3" groups at 100yds. I wasn't really setup for the outdoor range. It was cold and windy and I was in shorts and a t-shirt. I know I can make sub 2" groups with this setup because when I wasn't trembling I was hitting dead center on my shoot-n-c's with just a couple sandbags for a front rest and firing while propping the rifle up with my non-trigger hand.
Overall I really like this kit. It turned my 10yr old 10/22 with a beatup walnut stock into a little tacticool AR/556. The guy next to me at the outdoor range was impressed with it and thought I was shooting a dedicated .22LR upper. I put at least 400 rounds through it today and kept going back to it from my AR. Bottom line is if you already have a bare bones 10/22 you should buy this kit. I would have no problem shooting 1000+ rounds per range session and go home knowing I only spent $30 for hours of plinking.
I will add pics later with pre and post dremel finishing touches.

ITZJT
05-29-2009, 12:51 AM
So i took my Archangel kit out to the range today. The following is a short review of the kit.
It was great! Of course it is a 10/22 in disguise so the shooting was the same.
Prepping the 10/22 for conversion:
Very easy. The included instructions are very good but for a novice like me I needed internet help. Toughest part was tapping out the stock sights. It took me awhile to figure out the sights tap out left to right. Everything else was cake.
Fit and finish:
Tolerable. It's a plastic kit that needs finishing touches with a dremel to get a close fit. The magwell takes factory 10/22 10round mags without a hiccup but my BC 25rnd mags were too tight. I will dremel out the magwell to fix this. The top rail does not line up/install over the receiver properly. It's too tight so I will remove it and dremel it out, too. There are no other issues I can think of at this time.
Range time:
I tossed on a cheap Bushnell 3-9x/32 scope from the 10/22 and mounted it on Aimsurplus rings. I took it to an indoor range and was hitting exactly where I aimed within a few minutes of adjustment. I then drove out to an outdoor range and after re-adjustment I was making sub 3" groups at 100yds. I wasn't really setup for the outdoor range. It was cold and windy and I was in shorts and a t-shirt. I know I can make sub 2" groups with this setup because when I wasn't trembling I was hitting dead center on my shoot-n-c's with just a couple sandbags for a front rest and firing while propping the rifle up with my non-trigger hand.
Overall I really like this kit. It turned my 10yr old 10/22 with a beatup walnut stock into a little tacticool AR/556. The guy next to me at the outdoor range was impressed with it and thought I was shooting a dedicated .22LR upper. I put at least 400 rounds through it today and kept going back to it from my AR. Bottom line is if you already have a bare bones 10/22 you should buy this kit. I would have no problem shooting 1000+ rounds per range session and go home knowing I only spent $30 for hours of plinking.
I will add pics later with pre and post dremel finishing touches.

Awesome! look forward to seein some pics I get mine anyday now and the 10/22s 10 days are up Monday :cool:

audiophil2
05-29-2009, 10:19 AM
Pre-dremel pics are posted in the Gallery.

xounlistedxox
05-29-2009, 11:55 PM
Has anyone tried using any back up iron sights with their setup? I ordered the Magpul MBUS, but with the front rail being much lower than the "upper" rail I don't know if getting a zero with back up sights is even possible.
For now I put my scope on it, but I really don't like the lack of back-up sights.
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp240/xounlistedxox/img1243664539324.jpg

slick_711
05-30-2009, 2:30 PM
For now I put my scope on it, but I really don't like the lack of back-up sights.

Right, because that should be your main go-to rifle. :confused:

Perhaps look in to gas block mounted AR BUIS. I'm not sure that the height difference is correct, but they are made to be mounted lower. If you'd care to measure the difference in your rails we can let you know if that would work for you.

But it's a .22lr... not your primary defensive carbine. And if you expect your scope to go down you need a nicer scope. ;)

xounlistedxox
05-30-2009, 3:04 PM
I already have Magpul MBUS's for this rifle. About the scope it may be an inexpensive tasco, but I have put it under water and dropped it to test it's zero holding ability and it does perfect, so if it aint broke don't fix it. You're right this may not be a primary rifle at first, but there are several important factors you may not have thought about...

First, this affords much less expensive practice than shooting your AR's in a very reliable and very accurate package. I have the spike's tactical conversion kit and it's not anywhere near as accurate or reliable as the ruger 10/22
Second, I have over 20,000 rounds of .22lr, but only a little over 3,000 .223/5.56 rounds, so it may very well be a primary rifle some day.

slick_711
05-31-2009, 7:53 PM
I already have Magpul MBUS's for this rifle. About the scope it may be an inexpensive tasco, but I have put it under water and dropped it to test it's zero holding ability and it does perfect, so if it aint broke don't fix it. You're right this may not be a primary rifle at first, but there are several important factors you may not have thought about...

First, this affords much less expensive practice than shooting your AR's in a very reliable and very accurate package. I have the spike's tactical conversion kit and it's not anywhere near as accurate or reliable as the ruger 10/22
Second, I have over 20,000 rounds of .22lr, but only a little over 3,000 .223/5.56 rounds, so it may very well be a primary rifle some day.

You're talking to a guy that also has a 10/22 and 48k rounds of high velocity .22LR and 2k rounds of high velocity .22LR HPs socked away. It's a factor I've though about. :thumbsup:

I'm also saving up for a dedicated .22LR upper. I haven't discounted .22LR's usefulness, I just don't consider it something that needs BUIS. But then, I guess "better safe than sorry" is a popular saying for a reason.

xounlistedxox
05-31-2009, 9:38 PM
Any rifle worthy of optics/red dots, or any fancy aiming device needs to have buis's period

slick_711
05-31-2009, 9:51 PM
http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp240/xounlistedxox/img1243664539324.jpg

Any rifle worthy of optics/red dots, or any fancy aiming device needs to have buis's period

I guess part of why I don't feel it needs it is the impracticality for this particular setup.

Where are you going to mount the BUIS? At the height and position of the scope you have on there the rear sight is not going to fit. And that scope doesn't look like it's mounted with QD rings. So you're going to bust out an allen wrench and remove the scope, mount the rear BUIS, hope it's still zeroed, and then return to shooting?

What makes you think the scope will fail and you'll need the BUIS? You said yourself you beat up the scope and it was fine. Do you have BUIS on your bolt rifles?

Not trying to be argumentative, just thinking outloud. :)

xounlistedxox
05-31-2009, 10:43 PM
I don't own any bolt rifles. I also have an eotech thats going on this .22 on it's way due in this upcoming friday, so that scope is coming off very soon. I never plan on anything as far as optics to fail, but they may, better safe than sorry

slick_711
05-31-2009, 10:50 PM
I don't own any bolt rifles. I also have an eotech thats going on this .22 on it's way due in this upcoming friday, so that scope is coming off very soon. I never plan on anything as far as optics to fail, but they may, better safe than sorry

Ok, see, with an EOtech on there I would expect it to have BUIS. That's a whole different setup. You didn't say that before. ;)