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Paladin
05-01-2009, 9:02 AM
Just thought I'd start a thread for Calgunners to post re articles/videos of news reports re CGF/SAF lawsuit challenging CA's Handgun Roster.

HunterJim
05-01-2009, 10:16 AM
The Shooting Wire Friday May 1

Lawsuits, we go lawsuits

Yesterday, the Second Amendment Foundation, the Calguns Foundation and four California residents filed suit that challenged a California state law that bans handguns based on a listing of "certified" handguns approved by the state.

For years, the state has maintained that sort of list, requiring the notation on many firearms ads and materials that reads "Not approved for sale in California". In the new lawsuit, the plaintiffs assert the law is unconstitutional, based on the Supreme Court's ruling that the protects handguns that ordinary people traditionally use for self-defense, and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals' decision that the Second Amendment applies to both state and local governments.

The plaintiffs in the case are represented by Alan Gura. He says California "tells Ivan Peņa that his rights have an expiration date based on payment of a government fee. Americans are not limited to a government list of approved books, or approved religions," he said. "A handgun protected by the Second Amendment does not need to appear on any government-approved list and cannot be banned because a manufacturer does not pay a special annual fee."

"The Para Ordnance P-13 was once approved for sale in California," Peņa noted, "but now that a manufacturer didn't pay a yearly fee, California claims the gun I want to own has somehow become 'unsafe'."

"The Glock-21 is the handgun I would choose for home defense, but California has decided the version I need is unacceptable," says plaintiff Roy Vargas, "I was born without a right arm below my elbow and therefore the new ambidextrous version of the Glock-21 is the safest one for me. The identical model designed for right hand use is available in California, but I can't use it."

The other two plaintiffs in the case have similar stories.

Doņa Croston's handgun would be allowed if it were black, green, or brown, but her bi-tone version is supposedly 'unsafe' merely based on color. "I didn't realize that my constitutional rights depended on color. What is it about two colors that makes the gun I want to purchase 'unsafe'?"

Brett Thomas seeks to own the same model of handgun that the Supreme Court ordered District of Columbia officials to register for Dick Heller. However, that particular model is no longer manufactured, and its maker is no longer available to process the handgun's certification through the bureaucracy. "There is only one model of handgun that the Supreme Court has explicitly ruled is protected by the Second Amendment and yet California will not allow me to purchase that gun," said Mr. Thomas.

Attorneys representing the group say the "approved" list in California is, essentially, gun control by degrees. "Gradually," says co-counsel Donald Kilmer, the list of "so-called 'guns' will shrink to zero."

While he's not qualified to lecture anyone on morals, former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer seems to feel he's qualified to call on the Obama administration to use its wallet to stage an economic jihad against firearms manufacturers. On Wednesday, Spitzer suggested the government use its status as a "gigantic, well-funded procurement agent" to change American gun policies. In so many words, he suggests the administration simply stop doing business with companies that "sell to criminals - either knowingly or by willfully overlooking the behavior of the retail outlets that the gun companies use as their distribution system."

It's ammo, but we're going to present the guns and gear of shooting the way you've never seen it before.

Use your imagination on this one - there could be anything behind the green wall.
"Why," he asked, "do we buy guns from companies that permit their products to be sold to bad guys?"

If former President Jimmy Carter hadn't weighed in with his lighter-than-helium knowledge of "assault weapons" earlier this week, Spitzer might have nailed down the idiotic comment bragging rights for April. Instead, he's just another idiot politician.

Later today, we're wrapping the studio production segments of "Guns & Gear". At this point, I feel safe in saying it will definitely be different from anything we've ever done - or seen - in firearms television. I won't give away much on the content, but I'll offer a couple of photos to give you an idea of what we have planned for viewers.

--Jim Shepherd

rivviepop
05-01-2009, 10:20 AM
4 California Residents Filed A Lawsuit Challenging Ca Gun Law
SAF, Calguns Foundation Challenges California Handgun Ban Scheme.

http://www.ammoland.com/2009/05/01/4-california-residents-filed-a-lawsuit-challenging-ca-gun-law/

bigcalidave
05-01-2009, 12:49 PM
4 California Residents Filed A Lawsuit Challenging Ca Gun Law
SAF, Calguns Foundation Challenges California Handgun Ban Scheme.

http://www.ammoland.com/2009/05/01/4-california-residents-filed-a-lawsuit-challenging-ca-gun-law/


What's the 4 posts, 4 mentions of this "ammoland" place? It's obviously just an advertising site, why do you keep spamming it here?

rivviepop
05-01-2009, 1:16 PM
What's the 4 posts, 4 mentions of this "ammoland" place? It's obviously just an advertising site, why do you keep spamming it here?

Obviously? I read it daily and it has a lot of news, it's a great resource. They feature all sorts of hunting, archery, practical shooting and other information (as well as new products) and have featured Calguns before.

RSS: http://feeds2.feedburner.com/ammoland

I have no association with the site other than being a satisfied daily reader -- your comment couldn't be further off the mark and uninformed if you tried.

bigcalidave
05-01-2009, 1:36 PM
That's funny! If you search the site for "ammoland" your posts are more than half of the results! A lot more! We get it, it's spam, and after checking out the site, I'll never go back. When you post somewhere that it's a good news site, then you post that they CHARGE to post the news... guess what, that's not a good site.

rivviepop
05-01-2009, 1:54 PM
That's funny! If you search the site for "ammoland" your posts are more than half of the results! A lot more! We get it, it's spam, and after checking out the site, I'll never go back. When you post somewhere that it's a good news site, then you post that they CHARGE to post the news... guess what, that's not a good site.

Well I'm afraid you're just annoyed by enthusiasm for a website, feel free to call it what you will. I suggest you drop my login name into your Ignore list and you'll never hear from me again, as I get enthusiastic about things I like. I'd hate for you to see all my posts about CZ handguns and call me a spammer for that, or my love of S&W revolvers and think I'm a shill for their company.

Enough of this BS, you have any further problems bring it up with a moderator -- keep this thread on topic.