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BigBamBoo
04-29-2009, 2:12 PM
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Sinixstar
04-29-2009, 2:14 PM
Texas also has the highest rate of welfare/foodstamp recipients in the US.

Just because their gun laws may be more favorable - doesn't mean they're a utopia. They've got problems like everybody else.

Saigon1965
04-29-2009, 2:35 PM
It's not always greener on the other side of the fence -

nicki
04-29-2009, 2:44 PM
There are things you need to also consider about Texas.

They have no state income tax, that means you will lose you state income tax deduction on your federal taxes.:rolleyes:

In the western part of the state, the daytime speed limit is 80mph. You need to make sure the speedometer in your car goes above 85mph otherwise you won't know how fast you really are driving since most people tend to drive 8 to 15mph over the limit.

It is one thing to get a ticket for 95mph, it is another to get one for going 100mph plus. Do you really want to find out the hard way if your car is trully electronically limited to 105mph.:eek:

Mine isn't:p

Nicki

nicki
04-29-2009, 2:45 PM
You could wind up with Ron Paul as your congressman:43:

Nicki

razorx
04-29-2009, 2:53 PM
Texas also has the highest rate of welfare/foodstamp recipients in the US.

Just because their gun laws may be more favorable - doesn't mean they're a utopia. They've got problems like everybody else.

Looked for the statistics around that but couldn't find them. Definitely the poverty rate is high in Texas(6th in country) on 2007 link I found, but to be expected. There is a thriving "cash" only business in Texas that tends to offset "true" poverty since oddly enough, those dollars are not reported as income. Also, it is difficult to measure the impact of those in that situation relying on their extended families and local support groups vs. just going straight to the government. Demographics in Texas are challenging as well especially with the influx from LA (Katrina).

Definitely a lot of pressure in Texas for people to rely on local family or private resources rather than the government, government is supplementary only. This tends to skew the recorded income statistics.

There are only 6 states in the country without an operating budget deficit, Texas being one of them due to hard choices made. Cuts in education will bite them later.

bwiese
04-29-2009, 2:57 PM
Cuts in education will bite them later.

Not necessarily.
A lot of education spending is wasteful because...
- it has nothing to do really with "education";
- the money spend educating the ineducable is wasted anyway.

Kestryll
04-29-2009, 3:00 PM
WHY oh WHY can't CALIF. be like TEXAS??

Because then Texas would be like California and the resulting chrono-spatial inversion would kill us all.

Or at least REALLY sting!!

Sinixstar
04-29-2009, 3:15 PM
Looked for the statistics around that but couldn't find them. Definitely the poverty rate is high in Texas(6th in country) on 2007 link I found, but to be expected. There is a thriving "cash" only business in Texas that tends to offset "true" poverty since oddly enough, those dollars are not reported as income. Also, it is difficult to measure the impact of those in that situation relying on their extended families and local support groups vs. just going straight to the government. Demographics in Texas are challenging as well especially with the influx from LA (Katrina).

Definitely a lot of pressure in Texas for people to rely on local family or private resources rather than the government, government is supplementary only. This tends to skew the recorded income statistics.

There are only 6 states in the country without an operating budget deficit, Texas being one of them due to hard choices made. Cuts in education will bite them later.


Couldn't find the original thing I read - but a quick search turned up a few articles.

http://www.freedomradio.us/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4569&Itemid=166


Food stamp enrollment rose in all but four of the 50 states during January, said Agriculture Department figures. Vermont, Alaska and South Dakota had increases of more than 5 percent. Texas had the largest enrollment, 2.984 million, down 65,000, followed by Kalifornia at 2.545 million, up 43,000, and New York with 2.211 million, up 37,000.


Census numbers put Texas' population at 24,326,974. That's 1 in 8.1 people receiving assistance.
Next highest state being California - with a population of 36,756,666, and 2.545 million - that's a rate of 1/14 people - almost half the rate of Texas.

BigBamBoo
04-29-2009, 3:31 PM
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razorx
04-29-2009, 3:37 PM
Consistent I think with Texas looking to support more people with less for shorter periods of time.

Amazing per link you provided, that 1 in 10 Americans are using the food stamp program. Of course, not exactly sure what "Americans" consist of anymore...

US at 1/10, Texas at 1/8.1, and CA at 1/14. CA must be doing something right! :D

nooner
04-29-2009, 4:10 PM
You could wind up with Ron Paul as your congressman:43:

Nicki
That would be the best thing that could happen to anyone.:thumbsup:

AlexBreya
04-29-2009, 4:19 PM
Consistent I think with Texas looking to support more people with less for shorter periods of time.

Amazing per link you provided, that 1 in 10 Americans are using the food stamp program. Of course, not exactly sure what "Americans" consist of anymore...

US at 1/10, Texas at 1/8.1, and CA at 1/14. CA must be doing something right! :D

Not at all, CA is doing NOTHING right in terms of welfare. those numbers dont include the millions of illegal immigrants who are receiving welfare "under the table" from our liberal state...

swaits
04-29-2009, 4:24 PM
I grew up in Humble, TX (outside of Houston). I hate CA politics and laws; however, I will never go back to TX. I'd rather stay here and try to make this place even better.

cousinkix1953
04-29-2009, 4:45 PM
Make sure that you aren't moving to a crime infested sanctuary city in Texas! Houston is no better than San Francisco when it comes to illegal aliens collecting welfare and committing crimes with illegal guns. Austin is just another Berzerkeley. Better keep your fanny out of that peoples' republik of College Station too...

Paul
04-29-2009, 4:51 PM
Live in a state where if someone comes on your property after dark and means to rob you, you can legally shoot said robber with out the worry of being arrested...or live in a state that says you better let the bad guy rape your dog,kill your kids,or if you shoot him YOU go to jail.
Take care,Stan

Hey Stan are you are kidding or ignorant? There are zero restrictions on what time of day I can kill you in California if you're being stupid - yeah, I can't shoot the Girl Scouts selling cookies or the UPS driver making a delivery after dark like in Texas but I can kill anyone .... "resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person" note that that's anybody someone is trying to harm ... and any felony ... at any time of day!

Homicide is also lawful "committed in defense of habitation, property, or person, against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any person therein" - note that killing is authorized to defend property (git' off of my lawn!) or person and of course you can kill someone just attempting to break in.

Homicide is lawful "in the lawful defense of such person, or of a wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant or engaged in mutual combat, must really and in good faith have
endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was committed" - note that if I have good cause to believe that someone is going to commit a felony I can kill them.

And finally "When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in lawfully suppressing any riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving the peace." - note that breaking the peace here can lead me to lawfully kill someone.

California has had a superior home-is-your-castle law allowing the homicide of someone in defense of property or person, requires no retreat, and there are no artificial limitations imposed by the relationship of the earth to the sun.

BTW - can you post up Texas penal code codifying the killing of people after dark? Thanks.

Paul
04-29-2009, 4:56 PM
I priced a nice home in Texas east of Austin. Five bedrooms, 4800 sq.ft., 2000 sq.ft. work shop, enclosed patio around three sides, city power, a well and septic for $400,000. I was talking with the Realtor and asked her about the near-by schools and what the real estate tax was like.

4.6% effective - city, county, and state for $16,800 a year forever. No, thanks anyways.

Model X
04-29-2009, 4:59 PM
They have no state income tax, that means you will lose you state income tax deduction on your federal taxes.:rolleyes:

Oh noes!!! But its okay! the IRS lets you deduct sales taxes if they are greater than income tax :p

Anyways you can either take a standard sales tax thingy or you can keep track of all your receipts (you can just keep your receipts and punch em into an excel sheet every week or so for records).

State will always get the money from you, just in different ways... all the local/state taxes are deductible on the federal returns so its not like your really losing out by having different tax structures.

As for the $16,800 forever part, given inflation, and if that cost stays fixed, that wouldn't be so bad.

razorx
04-29-2009, 5:23 PM
Not necessarily.
A lot of education spending is wasteful because...
- it has nothing to do really with "education";
- the money spend educating the ineducable is wasted anyway.

One statistic was that Texas was ranked 50th per capita. Hard to believe it though, probably will look for other stats.

Of course, not sure how charter schools factor into that number. Besides, elite public schools are funded locally so have gobs of money (ie. Southlake as shining example)

sorensen440
04-29-2009, 5:27 PM
The problem is if Cali were more like Texas everyone would move here and it would be like Japan

bwiese
04-29-2009, 5:28 PM
One statistic was that Texas was ranked 50th per capita. Hard to believe it though, probably will look for other stats.

Of course, not sure how charter schools factor into that number. Besides, elite public schools are funded locally so have gobs of money (ie. Southlake as shining example)

Yes, Austin had some very good schools....
... because they had some good students...
... because they in turn had some good/sharp parents...

MP301
04-29-2009, 5:29 PM
There are things you need to also consider about Texas.

They have no state income tax, that means you will lose you state income tax deduction on your federal taxes.:rolleyes:

In the western part of the state, the daytime speed limit is 80mph. You need to make sure the speedometer in your car goes above 85mph otherwise you won't know how fast you really are driving since most people tend to drive 8 to 15mph over the limit.

It is one thing to get a ticket for 95mph, it is another to get one for going 100mph plus. Do you really want to find out the hard way if your car is trully electronically limited to 105mph.:eek:

Mine isn't:p

Nicki


What?!?!? Nicki Nicki Nicki! Are you saying Texas is a bad place to live because the speed limit is to0 high for some cars speedometers? Yer killin me over here! hahahah

Cato
04-29-2009, 5:34 PM
We were like Texas before 1980's or so. Maybe before that even. Anyone around back then? I think it has to do with Hollyweird.

MP301
04-29-2009, 5:35 PM
Food stamps??...hmmm own class 3 firearms or know that there are folks on welfare?? Own a car that the speedo goes over 85??? Are you kidding? Mine goes to 160 or something (Chrysler 300C). Live where the Gov. expects YOU to take care of yourself...or live in a state where there are more laws on the books then any other state and the gov wants to rule you...I mean "help" you? Live in a state where if someone comes on your property after dark and means to rob you, you can legally shoot said robber with out the worry of being arrested...or live in a state that says you better let the bad guy rape your dog,kill your kids,or if you shoot him YOU go to jail.

Boy you guys make it tuff....lets revisit this subject when the 50rds of ammo a month law passes. Or any other number of "stupid" laws get forced on us. I will trade 2nd Amendment rights over living in one of most socialist states in the Union.

Take care,Stan


Hey! What are you doing, trying to make sense? Whats so bad about California? California has produced great people that the whole country should be proud of..You know, Palosi, Frankenfienstien, Nusance...er , i mean Nuwsome, Willy brown, uh.....Sandra Hutchens...am I forgetting anybody?

Shotgun Man
04-29-2009, 5:46 PM
I grew up in Humble, TX (outside of Houston). I hate CA politics and laws; however, I will never go back to TX. I'd rather stay here and try to make this place even better.

Humble, Tx. There's a name for a town-- no fancy aspirations or delusions of grandeur.

Sinixstar
04-29-2009, 6:30 PM
Not at all, CA is doing NOTHING right in terms of welfare. those numbers dont include the millions of illegal immigrants who are receiving welfare "under the table" from our liberal state...

right.

cause there's no illegal immigrants in texas either.

Sinixstar
04-29-2009, 6:33 PM
Food stamps??...hmmm own class 3 firearms or know that there are folks on welfare?? Own a car that the speedo goes over 85??? Are you kidding? Mine goes to 160 or something (Chrysler 300C). Live where the Gov. expects YOU to take care of yourself...or live in a state where there are more laws on the books then any other state and the gov wants to rule you...I mean "help" you? Live in a state where if someone comes on your property after dark and means to rob you, you can legally shoot said robber with out the worry of being arrested...or live in a state that says you better let the bad guy rape your dog,kill your kids,or if you shoot him YOU go to jail.

Boy you guys make it tuff....lets revisit this subject when the 50rds of ammo a month law passes. Or any other number of "stupid" laws get forced on us. I will trade 2nd Amendment rights over living in one of most socialist states in the Union.

Take care,Stan

If you look at it strictly in the vaccum of gun laws - move to Alaska or vermont. Even Texas is low on the totem pole compared to those two.

If however, you're talking real life "i have to actually live here" scenario - texas is not all it's cracked up to be if you simply look at gun laws alone.

that's the bigger point i was trying to make. Everybody has their fair share of problems, and TX - while it's gun laws may be less restrictive, is not excluded from that.

Pvt. Cowboy
04-29-2009, 7:13 PM
We were like Texas before 1980's or so. Maybe before that even. Anyone around back then? I think it has to do with Hollyweird.

I grew up in CA in the late 60s through the 70s. Graduated high school in the early 80s.

If you want to know what it was like back then, watch every episode of 'The Brady Bunch' three times over until it sinks in. The ghettos back then were only about as bad as the movie 'Car Wash'.

Sorry you missed it.

AlexBreya
04-29-2009, 7:22 PM
right.

cause there's no illegal immigrants in texas either.

When did I say that there were no illegals in Texas? Did you read what I wrote? People said that CA was doing well, since our welfare numbers are low, and I said that we're not doing well, since there are a lot of illegals getting welfare. Not saying that isn't the same for Texas.

BTW, I'm sure Texas gives out a lot less welfare to illegals than CA does. After all, a conservative state is mostly against illegal immigration.

ElDiabloRobotico
04-29-2009, 7:31 PM
why can't california be more like texas? because then the fragile "steers to queers" ratio would be messed up. :D

Sinixstar
04-29-2009, 7:36 PM
When did I say that there were no illegals in Texas? Did you read what I wrote? People said that CA was doing well, since our welfare numbers are low, and I said that we're not doing well, since there are a lot of illegals getting welfare. Not saying that isn't the same for Texas.

BTW, I'm sure Texas gives out a lot less welfare to illegals than CA does. After all, a conservative state is mostly against illegal immigration.

So you're assuming that because it's a conservative state, that they're automatically doing better? Sorry, but the rest of the numbers just don't really support your ideological assumption.
When the conservative state of texas has more people per capita recieving government assistance, that kind of flies directly in the face of "well it's a conservative state so i'm sure it's doing better."

Texas is also #2 on the list of illegal population (estimated), with just over 1mil illegal aliens. CA is obviously #1, with just over 2 mil.
Broken down per-capita, there's not a huge difference between the two. The difference is 4.5/100 for Texas and 6/100 for CA.

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_est_num_of_ill_imm-people-estimated-number-illegal-immigrants

If you can come up with something other then "but it's a conservative state" I'd love to hear it. Until then, point still stands - Texas has it's fair share of problems as well.

Sinixstar
04-29-2009, 7:39 PM
Also - there's another little hole in your logic.
If California doesn't distinguish between legal and illegal when it's handing out welfare money - then that means that the illegals are included in the 1 out of 14 number.
It's not like there's some secret off the books welfare system for illegals. They're using the same system as everyone else - and therefor they are included in that number that's reported by state.

So - 1/14 INCLUDING illegals in CA
1/8 not including illegals in TX.

yet - texas is doing better?

can you explain that one?

Kestryll
04-29-2009, 7:40 PM
Just curious, what does any of the current discussion have to do with2A laws or politics?

The OP was on topic but the current discussion is not.

AlexBreya
04-29-2009, 7:49 PM
So you're assuming that because it's a conservative state, that they're automatically doing better? Sorry, but the rest of the numbers just don't really support your ideological assumption.
When the conservative state of texas has more people per capita recieving government assistance, that kind of flies directly in the face of "well it's a conservative state so i'm sure it's doing better."

Texas is also #2 on the list of illegal population (estimated), with just over 1mil illegal aliens. CA is obviously #1, with just over 2 mil.
Broken down per-capita, there's not a huge difference between the two. The difference is 4.5/100 for Texas and 6/100 for CA.

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_est_num_of_ill_imm-people-estimated-number-illegal-immigrants

If you can come up with something other then "but it's a conservative state" I'd love to hear it. Until then, point still stands - Texas has it's fair share of problems as well.

I'm simply saying that CA is not doing as well as the numbers say.

I NEVER said that Texas was better b/c they were more conservative, I said that they are more likely to reject welfare to illegals b/c they are conservative. So how bout you consider reading before posting?

Here's my PROOF as to why Texas is better then CA:

Texas: Class 3 weapons. Less liberals. Cheaper to live in. People are not shivering in fear that their neighbor has a gun. Low amount of gangs. CCW w/ out license. no DROS. Don't have to deal with "NO SALES TO CA." Better people live there in general. More freedom overall.

CA: strict gun laws. Too much tolerance for illegal immigrants. Too many gangs. Too much crime. Limitted free speech. LOTS O' LIBERAL! Feinstein. Expensive to live in. High sales tax. Voting means NOTHING in CA. Crazy amount of homeless people.

I will give CA the advantage in terms of weather, but overall, one can have freedom in Texas, and one is constantly kicked in the balls by the government in CA...

Sinixstar
04-29-2009, 8:06 PM
we'll just look at violent crime here real quick:

http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_vio_cri-crime-violent

We'll look at the top 3:

# 1 California: 194,120
# 2 Florida: 128,795
# 3 Texas: 121,378

Those are totals, per capita is not given for this chart, but we can figure that out.

TX pop : 24,326,974, violent crime per capita : 1:200.42
CA pop : 36,756,666, violent crime per capita : 1:189.35

So again - if you take the gun laws out of the picture - it's a bit of a wash. Not a massive difference between the two.

As i've said - Texas has it's own fair share of problems. Just because their gun laws are better, doesn't mean you're not going to have to deal with *some* of the same garbage there that you have to deal with in CA.

If you want better gun laws, reduced crime, etc - go to Indiana. Texas might be more conservative, but all that means is it's a different set of clowns running the circus. Here we have liberal clowns, there they have conservative clowns. Both are in the top of the charts for most of the problem areas we're talking about. Both have illegal immigrant problems up the yang, both have budget/spending problems, both have crime problems - and largely to the same degree. Looking solely at the statistics, the only difference seems to be one is run by liberals, one by conservatives. One has better gun laws then the other.

swaits
04-29-2009, 8:47 PM
Humble, Tx. There's a name for a town-- no fancy aspirations or delusions of grandeur.

Had something to do with Humble Oil. If you're there, of course, you are quickly scolded to not pronounce the 'h' in Humble. So it's something like "umbul".

Funniest thing is the police cars painted with "HUMBLE POLICE DEPARTMENT". I always thought it was funny anyway.

I hastily made my exit upon finishing high school, at, yes, you guessed it, "HUMBLE HIGH SCHOOL". :thumbsup:

Flopper
04-29-2009, 10:46 PM
Not necessarily.
A lot of education spending is wasteful because...
- it has nothing to do really with "education";
- the money spend educating the ineducable is wasted anyway.

+1,000,000

MrSigmaDOT40
04-29-2009, 10:51 PM
You could wind up with Ron Paul as your congressman:43:

Nicki

:thumbsup: GOOD ONE

Sinixstar
04-29-2009, 11:07 PM
Originally Posted by bwiese
Not necessarily.
A lot of education spending is wasteful because...
- it has nothing to do really with "education";
- the money spend educating the ineducable is wasted anyway.

I don't think it's a waste because you "can't educate the ineducatable" - I don't think there is such a thing.
I think it's a waste because you're just throwing money at a bunch of teachers who in many cases simply don't give a rat's *** about teaching. They're there for the paycheck, period.
Everybody's wired a little differently. Using one method of teaching, kid A might get it, kid B might not. When you have teacher's who don't much care though, there's no effort made to identify the fact that kid B isn't getting it - and correct the problem. They just fail out.
It ends up being a waste of time, money, and effort for everybody. You get kids who are dumb as a box of rocks, teachers who shouldn't be teachers, and a huge cost to the state as a result. Everybody loses.

Texas Boy
04-29-2009, 11:31 PM
Bought my first gun in Texas about 25 years ago. Walked into a gun store off Lamar (in Austin), found a nice Mini 14 with a Colt 3x scope, showed my drivers license, completed a simple form that stated I was not insane, etc, paid and walked out with my gun. Only owned a motorcycle at the time, so I slung it over my shoulder and rode to/from shooting locations....never went to a range - or even knew there was such a thing - just went shooting at friend's ranches, etc. Never was hassled or questioned by anyone while riding my motorcycle with the Mini 14 over my shoulder...Did I mention I had long hair, a loud bike, and wore leather? I doubt someone matching that description with a rifle would make it 2 blocks today in Cali.

Moved here in 1988 and was shocked at how there were laws for everything. I certainly had a much stronger sense of government in my life after moving to Cali. Gave up shooting for many years since shooting on the range felt too restrictive and watched in dis-belief at the legal hysteria after Patrick Purdy murdered several children and teachers on a Stockton school yard. I remember telling people "this will do NOTHING to prevent future massacres. He could have killed more people with a '67 Impala."

Yes, Texas and California are different worlds with regards to gun laws. Not sure about present law, but at the time I lived there you could carry a rifle or shotgun, loaded or unloaded, on your person or in your vehicle - concealed or visible. The only restriction was you could not take the gun into any establishment where alcohol was "sold, served, or consumed." I still remember having to leave my rifle hanging on my bike one time so I could "legally" go into the gas station to pay - they sold beer at the gas station. Oh, and you could drink and drive at the time - just couldn't be intoxicated.

popndrop
04-29-2009, 11:57 PM
you are forgetting one of the most important benefits of Texas, besides hugely beneficial gun laws - the HUNTING. It is Incredible there.
They also have very generous CCW laws. I believe they currently have a law that states that if you're "traveling between counties", you can carry without a License. It really is a culture of carry - it's beautiful there...

proudamerican831
04-30-2009, 12:02 AM
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JDThorns
04-30-2009, 12:03 AM
Stan;

I have been a thorn in my legislators side for a while now and have contacted the Governors office many times but most times I never get a response, not even from a staffer. We all know our politicians are out of touch with reality and the taxpayers that support them in their lavish lifestyles. Once they get in to the office of choice they become a permanent fixture until they are carried out on a stretcher. I am so dissatisfied with the job they are doing I have decided to run for the Governors seat.

On January 2nd I will be filing my intention to run. I consider myself an Independent and a conservative. I firmly believe in the Constitution and the bill of rights. I am just an average working guy and a Veteran and above all I am not rich, in other words I am a normal person, I am not taking contributions yet that will come later. but to make this work I will need every California gun (firearm) owners help. I know it will be an up hill battle and I am ready for it. I know most of the news media will try to discredit me but I am to the point of not caring about what they think of me. I do not have any skeletons in my closet. My competition is antigun Jerry Brown and Gavin Newsom and I am confident I can triumph over them. I believe in Government of the people, by the people, and for the people. I look at the problems we face here in California and look for a suitable way of correcting it without it costing us more in taxes and fees. I will work for the people of California and not for the special interest groups.
Your questions are encouraged and I will be happy to respond to them. They can be sent to JDThorns@aol.com.
Sincerely
James Thornsbury
Seaside

P. S.
Note Admin if this is not the proper area for this please feel free to post it in the right area :thumbsup:




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tortoisethunder
04-30-2009, 12:10 AM
I grew up in Humble, TX (outside of Houston). I hate CA politics and laws; however, I will never go back to TX. I'd rather stay here and try to make this place even better.

The weather in Texas is terrible. I think maybe CA might be able to be saved...maybe? If it gets too bad here I would rather be in the Arizona mountains or Utah.

Cobrafreak
04-30-2009, 4:39 AM
Yes, TX weather is not the greatest. Food is good, Gun laws are great. If CA can't be saved then I may try AZ or NV myself.

BigBamBoo
04-30-2009, 6:40 AM
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swaits
04-30-2009, 7:34 AM
I know of NO law in CA. that states you can use deadly force to protect your property. If there is please post the facts. I can promise you if you shoot someone no matter what the circumstances in CA. you will be facing some sort of legal action. Be it criminal...or civil....thats right...the bad guys family sues you.


You're just uneducated..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine#State-by-state_positions_on_Castle_Doctrine

BigBamBoo
04-30-2009, 7:46 AM
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dustoff31
04-30-2009, 8:05 AM
You're just uneducated..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Doctrine#State-by-state_positions_on_Castle_Doctrine


No, he's not. The following is from your wikipedia link. You might also note the lack of civil immunity as citizens of those states that have a true Castle Doctrine enjoy.

198.5 sets forth that unlawful, forcible entry into one's residence by someone not a member of the household creates the presumption that the resident held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury should he or she use deadly force against the intruder. This would make the homicide justifiable under CPC 197[1]. CALCRIM 506 gives the instruction, "A defendant is not required to retreat. He or she is entitled to stand his or her ground and defend himself or herself and, if reasonably necessary, to pursue an assailant until the danger ... has passed. This is so even if safety could have been achieved by retreating." However, it also states that "[People v. Ceballos] specifically held that burglaries which 'do not reasonably create a fear of great bodily harm' are not sufficient 'cause for exaction of human life.')

swaits
04-30-2009, 9:58 AM
Ok. I'm still never going back to Texas.

Cato
04-30-2009, 11:41 PM
I grew up in CA in the late 60s through the 70s. Graduated high school in the early 80s.

If you want to know what it was like back then, watch every episode of 'The Brady Bunch' three times over until it sinks in. The ghettos back then were only about as bad as the movie 'Car Wash'.

Sorry you missed it.

I was here; born in the early 70s. I grew up in the 80s and 90s. "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" brings back a lot of memories. By the mid 1980s it was all downhill.