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CaliGunOwner
04-29-2009, 1:23 PM
I take my dog out for walks almost daily -- everywhere from around the block to the local hills. I got him a back pack that can carry food, water -- maybe a G19 :D My question is -- legally -- can he carry my pistol when we're out walking?

professorhard
04-29-2009, 1:23 PM
lol epic question

Neil McCauley
04-29-2009, 1:24 PM
:shrug: now :rofl2:i can laugh:rofl2:

professorhard
04-29-2009, 1:26 PM
Since the penal code says "concealed on the PERSON " Then I guess that would not apply to dogs.

beerup949
04-29-2009, 1:28 PM
ROFL... I needed that.

Thanks!

ilbob
04-29-2009, 1:32 PM
Since the penal code says "concealed on the PERSON " Then I guess that would not apply to dogs.

Dogs are furry persons, aren't they?

Jicko
04-29-2009, 1:39 PM
Interesting........

Stanze
04-29-2009, 1:40 PM
I don't see why not. People used to get FFLs for their dogs.:thumbsup:

sorensen440
04-29-2009, 1:41 PM
I was wondering about this last time I was fishing
they do make backpacks for dogs

CaliGunOwner
04-29-2009, 1:44 PM
--- interesting -- if i can get confirmation on the internet, i'm 1/2 way to having a well armed k9 :cool:

obeygiant
04-29-2009, 1:47 PM
+1 for creativity

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu163/obeygiant_calguns/buck_thumbs_up1.jpg

N6ATF
04-29-2009, 1:47 PM
Hopefully you have a breed suited for carrying stuff, not a chihuahua.

gunsmith
04-29-2009, 1:47 PM
Doggone it, good question. Some would that dog won't hunt but I think they're barking up the wrong tree.

gcvt
04-29-2009, 1:49 PM
http://bayareadesign.com/gcvt/pics/DogwithGun.jpg

mydogsmonkey
04-29-2009, 1:49 PM
I take my dog out for walks almost daily -- everywhere from around the block to the local hills. I got him a back pack that can carry food, water -- maybe a G19 :D My question is -- legally -- can he carry my pistol when we're out walking?

man i think oyu just found our CCW epidemic answer!

professorhard
04-29-2009, 1:51 PM
What if a dog were to wonder onto a school zone, while carrying concealed?

Biff...
04-29-2009, 1:51 PM
Very interesting. I wonder how this would work, in regards to a school zone.

garion
04-29-2009, 1:56 PM
LOL....that is an epic question....

MRboost
04-29-2009, 2:03 PM
Well unless your dog can stick his paw in the trigger guard and aim....not really seeing how this will help you. HAHAHA "Warning!!! MY dog is ARMED....back away!!"

The second you reach in and grab it, you are now carrying it...so LOL:TFH:

andrewj
04-29-2009, 2:04 PM
I'm gonna hang around and see how this turns out

Untamed1972
04-29-2009, 2:04 PM
Since the penal code says "concealed on the PERSON " Then I guess that would not apply to dogs.

Although a dog is considered "personal property" under the law. So if the gun was on the dog and the dog is under your control I wonder if they could make the argurment that the dog, as personal property under your control, could by extention be considered "on your person".

Just a thought.....but :thumbsup: for thinkin' out of the box!

HowardW56
04-29-2009, 2:33 PM
Dogs are furry persons, aren't they?


Mine Are! :p:D

AJAX22
04-29-2009, 2:59 PM
I belive you can be held legally actionable for the behavior of your dog (not so for a cat)

I guess it depends on the nuance of how a dog is viewed under the eyes of the law.

N6ATF
04-29-2009, 3:03 PM
CCC: Cat Concealed Carry

peepshowal
04-29-2009, 3:13 PM
CCC: Cat Concealed Carry

Great. So now they can fight back when I spray the garden hose on them for pooping in my yard.:cool:

highpowermatch
04-29-2009, 3:14 PM
good one!

yellowfin
04-29-2009, 3:17 PM
The second you reach in and grab it, you are now carrying it...so LOL:TFH: But by then you're in immenent danger and thus exempt from the carry prohibition. I like it! :thumbsup:

kalguns
04-29-2009, 3:17 PM
GREAT QUESTION!

Futurecollector
04-29-2009, 3:26 PM
EPIC!!!!!!

Travis8128
04-29-2009, 3:28 PM
looking at this from a serious stand point,

I dont think it would be legal in commiefornia.

Because your not allowed to have a loaded or unlocked pistol in your car.

So whos to say it could be on your dog?

jammer2k
04-29-2009, 3:29 PM
I am not sure of the legality, but I would question how smart it would be. Considering my lab would probably draw on any cat or squirrel she saw :43:

Dark&Good
04-29-2009, 3:30 PM
I belive you can be held legally actionable for the behavior of your dog (not so for a cat)

I guess it depends on the nuance of how a dog is viewed under the eyes of the law.

That's fine, the dog won't shoot anybody :D

The Wingnut
04-29-2009, 3:44 PM
That's fine, the dog won't shoot anybody

i8mDAae7LEY

Untamed1972
04-29-2009, 3:46 PM
now that video is just damn funny.....that little dog's got a big pair! LOL

Dark&Good
04-29-2009, 4:07 PM
:rofl2:

"Call back the AH-64s, send in the dogs!"

CA_SHARPSHOOTER
04-29-2009, 4:14 PM
dude! that is a freaking awesome idea:thumbsup:

JDay
04-29-2009, 4:37 PM
I was wondering about this last time I was fishing
they do make backpacks for dogs

You can legally conceal carry a loaded firearm while on a fishing expedition, CA PC 12027 has the exemptions for loaded concealed carry by a licensed hunter/fisher while on an expedition and unloaded concealed carry to/from said expedition.

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12027.html

Section 12025 does not apply to, or affect, any of the
following:

(g) Licensed hunters or fishermen carrying pistols, revolvers, or
other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person while
engaged in hunting or fishing, or transporting those firearms
unloaded when going to or returning from the hunting or fishing
expedition.

Bill_in_SD
04-29-2009, 4:39 PM
He is my 'service dog'

Now I can take him into stores, etc. where dogs aren't normally allowed..... armed! :-)

bruss01
04-29-2009, 4:39 PM
Fido:
scratch scratch scratch BANG yi! yi! yi! yiiiiii

boats1
04-29-2009, 4:48 PM
i8mDAae7LEY

That lightened my day. Thank you.

RP1911
04-29-2009, 4:55 PM
I'll try it with my German Shorthair Pointer. Point and shoot takes on a whole new meaning now.

2ATom
04-29-2009, 5:01 PM
Would there be a gang enhancement if the the dog was running with a pack ? :party:

sorensen440
04-29-2009, 5:01 PM
Would there be a gang enhancement if the the dog was running with a pack ? :party:
That was good :thumbsup:

Macadelic4
04-29-2009, 5:02 PM
Roasting in an epic shed. We need Gene to weigh in on this one...

SarcoBlaster
04-29-2009, 5:33 PM
This thread is, without a doubt, full of win. :thumbsup:

Tillers_Rule
04-29-2009, 5:39 PM
Just get a big dog like a Great Dane and ride it around like a horse. Then you can carry concealed since it's your transportation:)

obeygiant
04-29-2009, 5:39 PM
You can legally conceal carry a loaded firearm while on a fishing expedition, CA PC 12027 has the exemptions for loaded concealed carry by a licensed hunter/fisher while on an expedition and unloaded concealed carry to/from said expedition.

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12027.html

so......if one were to have some waders,fishing vest and hat,fishing pole,bait and tackle box in the truck...every time you get in your truck you could possibly be on a "fishing expedition" and therefore legally carry your firearm. Ok, open carry problem solved. where do I buy my waders? :innocent:

Dark&Good
04-29-2009, 5:40 PM
Can my fish carry concealed?

obeygiant
04-29-2009, 5:41 PM
Can my fish carry concealed?
only if it's not on your person. :)

kakpataka
04-29-2009, 5:49 PM
my dog open carries................... dont believe it? better believe it..........
plus he cross dresses as a *****!
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm77/kakapataka/images.jpg

JDay
04-29-2009, 5:57 PM
so......if one were to have some waders,fishing vest and hat,fishing pole,bait and tackle box in the truck...every time you get in your truck you could possibly be on a "fishing expedition" and therefore legally carry your firearm. Ok, open carry problem solved. where do I buy my waders? :innocent:

It would have to be unloaded since you wouldn't be on the expedition until you arrived there.

Glock Fan
04-29-2009, 5:59 PM
LOL this is a great question! I'd love to know on of it's possible. :) my lab would be packing heat every hiking trip we go on ;)

jaymz
04-29-2009, 6:03 PM
looking at this from a serious stand point,

I dont think it would be legal in commiefornia.

Because your not allowed to have a loaded or unlocked pistol in your car.

So whos to say it could be on your dog?

He said ON the dog, not IN the dog!:eek:

GuyW
04-29-2009, 6:10 PM
Because your not allowed to have ....unlocked pistol in your car.

Not actually true....
.

anthonyca
04-29-2009, 6:15 PM
Although a dog is considered "personal property" under the law. So if the gun was on the dog and the dog is under your control I wonder if they could make the argurment that the dog, as personal property under your control, could by extention be considered "on your person".

Just a thought.....but :thumbsup: for thinkin' out of the box!

What about that movement in SF a few years ago to call dogs companions and not property? ;)

tyrist
04-29-2009, 6:21 PM
Dog is property so carrying the gun concealed on the dog would require it to be locked. Think of your dog like any other piece of property such as a chair or a wagon. Can you put a concealed handgun in an unlocked bag inside of a wagon?

Nope

MP301
04-29-2009, 6:43 PM
This Thread is priceless!

xxdabroxx
04-29-2009, 6:43 PM
I dont think there is a law against animals carrying weapons. So just the same as UOC being legal i would have to guess it would be legal for you dog to carry.

DJBSR
04-29-2009, 6:47 PM
NO, my Dachshund is not man enough to carry a full size 1911.

Gator Monroe
04-29-2009, 6:47 PM
This Thread is priceless!

Leo's pull up , you say Home cosmo ,go home ,dog runs away, you walk other direction .

obeygiant
04-29-2009, 6:49 PM
It would have to be unloaded since you wouldn't be on the expedition until you arrived there.

True. My entire comment was meant in jest. Seeing that section of the penal code reminded me of how everyone used to justify having a bat in their car,for....ahem....playing baseball of course, by including a glove and a ball in the event they were ever to be pulled over.

DJBSR
04-29-2009, 6:51 PM
can't you have a bat, but it cant be concealed?

Gator Monroe
04-29-2009, 6:52 PM
Can you wear a Ninja costume (Black with mask ?):confused:

DJBSR
04-29-2009, 6:55 PM
no, ninjas are dangerous weapons only allowed in the movies. Posing as a ninja is a felony in california.

badreligion
04-29-2009, 6:56 PM
Does someone make a holster that can conceal a small dog that is itself carrying a loaded pistol? Is it illegal to conceal a pet? What about using a pet rifle carrier attached to the leash? Could you argue that you pet is a 'service animal' if it is carrying a gun to scare away bad people?

Gator Monroe
04-29-2009, 6:58 PM
Rottweiler runnin down street with an AR HANGIN OFF IT'S BACK ...:thumbsup:

obeygiant
04-29-2009, 6:58 PM
Does someone make a holster that can conceal a small dog that is itself carrying a loaded pistol? Is it illegal to conceal a pet? What about using a pet rifle carrier attached to the leash? Could you argue that you pet is a 'service animal' if it is carrying a gun to scare away bad people?

In South Orange County they call that holster a purse.

CitaDeL
04-29-2009, 7:07 PM
I dont believe the law is adequately formatted to deal with animals carrying concealed weapons.

I would say this- if the back pack is a secure fully enclosed locked container, it would be no different than carrying it said locked container in your hand, in you vehicle or any other circumstances.

If a dog carrying a concealed weapon is legal, I have three words for you;

Sharks with Lasers...

wildhawker
04-29-2009, 7:08 PM
Because your not allowed to have a loaded or unlocked pistol in your car.

Not quite; as long as there is not a concealed mag in the passenger compartment, unlocked unloaded handgun in plain view is fine.

Here's a post of Gene's (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=2199226&postcount=130)to clarify.

1911su16b870
04-29-2009, 7:36 PM
...
If a dog carrying a concealed weapon is legal, I have three words for you;

Sharks with Lasers...

Ill tempered Bass??? :D

sorensen440
04-29-2009, 7:40 PM
I think a more important question may be

Can I conceal carry my dog?

wildhawker
04-29-2009, 7:43 PM
I think a more important question may be

Can I conceal carry my dog?

Dillon's new CCW concept, the Plan D...

http://www.pulpfree.org/content/dogpurse.jpg

ETA: Would a dog on a leash be the equivalent of UOC?

rp55
04-29-2009, 7:49 PM
In San Francisco (http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/mar03/030301d.asp) the Municipal Code says explicitly that dogs are not property.

Dog is property so carrying the gun concealed on the dog would require it to be locked. Think of your dog like any other piece of property such as a chair or a wagon.

slowjonn
04-29-2009, 7:53 PM
Maybe KAHR Arms will come with a "K9" just for this type of carry!

N6ATF
04-29-2009, 7:59 PM
In San Francisco (http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/mar03/030301d.asp) the Municipal Code says explicitly that dogs are not property.

Bahah, the least gun-friendly place opened up the DCC loophole.

Fate
04-29-2009, 8:04 PM
Bahah, the least gun-friendly place opened up the DCC loophole.
DCC. LMAO.

"Hey Gavin, like it or not..."

sorensen440
04-29-2009, 8:07 PM
DCC. LMAO.

"Hey Gavin, like it or not..."
We need a caption contest for this photo
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/04/05/ba-mnr06_ph_0499417232.jpg

wildhawker
04-29-2009, 8:26 PM
We need a caption contest for this photo
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/04/05/ba-mnr06_ph_0499417232.jpg

"Definitely left eye dominant!"

ViPER395
04-29-2009, 8:48 PM
"It was, like, this long when I finally pulled the pump off of it.."
We need a caption contest for this photo
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/04/05/ba-mnr06_ph_0499417232.jpg

mike100
04-29-2009, 8:52 PM
It depends on whether your dog is a documented member of a street gang...

I like the way you think, lol.

Dark&Good
04-29-2009, 9:01 PM
I OC both.

http://www.upitall.com/Public/Pictures/_open carry.jpg

ZRX61
04-29-2009, 9:04 PM
You can legally conceal carry a loaded firearm while on a fishing expedition, CA PC 12027 has the exemptions for loaded concealed carry by a licensed hunter/fisher while on an expedition and unloaded concealed carry to/from said expedition.

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12027.html

Surely a *fishing expedition" begins the moment you walk out the front door?

If you leave the house looking for some food you don't drive all the way to Gelsons parking lot & then *suddenly* decide to go shopping.... You're already on the shopping expedition the moment you left home..

Dark&Good
04-29-2009, 9:08 PM
If you were asking why would I OC my dog:
http://www.upitall.com/Public/Pictures/_doggun.jpg

Sandman511
04-29-2009, 9:14 PM
That is the funniest thing I've heard all week:rofl2:

racky
04-29-2009, 9:19 PM
so seriously, does anybody know the answer if it's legal or not :P

otteray
04-29-2009, 9:21 PM
I love going to bed with a belly full of laughter:rofl2:

Dark&Good
04-29-2009, 9:23 PM
It's not on your person, it's not in your vehicle, I'd say legal. But you can't always touch it.

Dark&Good
04-29-2009, 9:26 PM
What's the probability a LEO will pat down your dog? :D

N6ATF
04-29-2009, 9:30 PM
Pat down your dog? LOL

One hell of a coat on a dog that would need to be petted down.

Only problem is dogs have no civil right against unlawful search, regardless this has been done repeatedly on humans.

ViPER395
04-29-2009, 9:34 PM
What probable cause would he site?

& how would a K9 unit respond in this situation?

What's the probability a LEO will pat down your dog? :D

Dark&Good
04-29-2009, 9:36 PM
Pat down your dog? LOL

One hell of a coat on a dog that would need to be petted down.

Only problem is dogs have no civil right against unlawful search, regardless this has been done repeatedly on humans.

:eek:
Man... you're serious...

:p

CSACANNONEER
04-29-2009, 9:41 PM
So, I need to know if I should go to the pound and pick up a new (bull)pup or not?

JDay
04-29-2009, 9:49 PM
Surely a *fishing expedition" begins the moment you walk out the front door?

If you leave the house looking for some food you don't drive all the way to Gelsons parking lot & then *suddenly* decide to go shopping.... You're already on the shopping expedition the moment you left home..

Doesn't work that way. When you're in the vehicle going to/from your house you are considered to be going to/from the expedition. You're not looking for fish on the road.

kermit
04-29-2009, 10:27 PM
Sadly, permits for Canines Carrying Weapons are still issued at the whim of the local authorities. Maybe one day CCW will be "shall issue" but not tonight:mad:

obeygiant
04-29-2009, 10:32 PM
Doesn't work that way. When you're in the vehicle going to/from your house you are considered to be going to/from the expedition. You're not looking for fish on the road.

what about flying fish?

Dark&Good
04-29-2009, 10:36 PM
what about flying fish?

Can it fly with a gun? Then it's ok.

kermit
04-29-2009, 10:41 PM
Can it fly with a gun? Then it's ok.

It would have to check the gun prior to boarding. Nothing in its carry-on bags:)

DDT
04-29-2009, 10:48 PM
So, I need to know if I should go to the pound and pick up a new (bull)pup or not?

don't you have OAL problems with bullpups?

Dark&Good
04-29-2009, 11:04 PM
what about flying fish?

Got one myself:

http://www.upitall.com/Public/Pictures/_flying_fish.jpg
.
Just applied for CCW, still waiting.

bden
04-30-2009, 1:08 AM
I took a criminal justice course about 10 years ago and remember the instructor (retired cop) telling a story about a guy who used a trained monkey to steal stuff out of open windows. Basically said you can't use your trunk monkey, long stick, or toddler for evil deeds. He never mentioned anything about a pistol packing Fido though...hmmmm...

yellowfin
04-30-2009, 1:14 AM
We need a caption contest for this photo
http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/04/05/ba-mnr06_ph_0499417232.jpg

"Now that's where you'd definitely want your AR!"

yellowfin
04-30-2009, 1:16 AM
Doesn't work that way. When you're in the vehicle going to/from your house you are considered to be going to/from the expedition. You're not looking for fish on the road.
That all depends on how much rainfall you're getting at the time. Some of the hurricanes I saw as a kid definitely made that a possibility :eek:

gotgunz
04-30-2009, 1:26 AM
I think that while the op was in jest it makes perfect sense. The gun is not on your person. It doesn't say anywhere that it is illegal and even if some cop had the balls enough, let alone a reason, to search your dog (depending on the type of dog) what charge could they arrest you for?

I think it is a great idea!

p.s. the caption for Gavin's photo regarding the size when the pump was removed is the funniest thing I have seen here or elsewhere in a very long time!

ro442173
04-30-2009, 1:30 AM
I wouldn't try it, it's not like your dog chose to carry. I'm sure they'll find you at fault and not the dog.

Dark&Good
04-30-2009, 1:33 AM
I think that while the op was in jest it makes perfect sense. The gun is not on your person. It doesn't say anywhere that it is illegal and even if some cop had the balls enough, let alone a reason, to search your dog (depending on the type of dog) what charge could they arrest you for?


Q: "Citizen, what is this?"
A: "Wow!... I had no idea that dogs can be this intelligent..."

ro442173
04-30-2009, 1:34 AM
If I trained a dog to snatch a purse... who do you think the court will find culpable, me or the dog?

Maybe it's just my logic, but again... I wouldn't try it.

N6ATF
04-30-2009, 1:38 AM
I think that while the op was in jest it makes perfect sense. The gun is not on your person. It doesn't say anywhere that it is illegal and even if some cop had the balls enough, let alone a reason, to search your dog (depending on the type of dog) what charge could they arrest you for?

If they arrest me for DCC, they better also falsely charge me with animal cruelty (bestiality), because the dog was certainly not... attached. :rolleyes:

JDay
04-30-2009, 1:44 AM
If they arrest me for DCC, they better also falsely charge me with animal cruelty (bestiality), because the dog was certainly not... attached. :rolleyes:

What about the leash you're holding that is attached to the dog?

Dark&Good
04-30-2009, 1:51 AM
What about the leash you're holding that is attached to the dog?

Are leashes illegal? :eek:

:D

tortoisethunder
04-30-2009, 1:53 AM
We live in CA. Everything fun, loud, fast, big, shiny, etc. is somehow illegal. Dogs with guns strapped to them would have to be violating some law? How do you think PETA would react? Only on CALGUNS would someone think of this, post it, and have this many responses. We are good people!

Dark&Good
04-30-2009, 1:58 AM
We live in CA. Everything fun, loud, fast, big, shiny, etc. is somehow illegal. Dogs with guns strapped to them would have to be violating some law? How do you think PETA would react? Only on CALGUNS would someone think of this, post it, and have this many responses. We are good people!

I think so, too.

And I'm dark, too :D

Dark&Good
04-30-2009, 2:20 AM
http://www.upitall.com/Public/Pictures/_pat.jpg
.
"My dog says, he doesn't consent to searches."

ZRX61
04-30-2009, 7:13 AM
Doesn't work that way. When you're in the vehicle going to/from your house you are considered to be going to/from the expedition. You're not looking for fish on the road.


So I can carry concealed in the tropical fish dept Petsmart? ;)

1923mack
04-30-2009, 8:57 AM
Good out of the box thinking. My pit will not let any strainger near me or him without my acceptance of such. No search of his backpack!

Untamed1972
04-30-2009, 9:14 AM
You can legally conceal carry a loaded firearm while on a fishing expedition, CA PC 12027 has the exemptions for loaded concealed carry by a licensed hunter/fisher while on an expedition and unloaded concealed carry to/from said expedition.

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12027.html

So then one would just need to buy a hunting license every year and if you get dinged claim "I'm on my way to go hunting"?

jazman
04-30-2009, 10:29 AM
Just bypass the dog entirely. Put some small wheels on your G19 and pull it behind you: you ain't packing, you're pulling!

N6ATF
04-30-2009, 11:09 AM
What about the leash you're holding that is attached to the dog?

What about it? :rolleyes:

Dark&Good
04-30-2009, 11:20 AM
Just bypass the dog entirely. Put some small wheels on your G19 and pull it behind you: you ain't packing, you're pulling!

:rofl2:

Untamed1972
04-30-2009, 11:21 AM
What about it? :rolleyes:

Well if the dog is your property, and your property (the dog) is under your control via the leash in your hand, then I think it could be argued that a loaded gun, concealded on your personal property (the dog) which is under your control is by extention the same as having it on your person.

It's like having a loaded gun in your briefcase and trying to say "But it's not on my person". No....it's in personal property under your direct control. Same thing.

1BigPea
04-30-2009, 11:33 AM
This is funny stuff, being the owner of 3 dogs makes it even better! None of them would mind carrying a little extra weight for me. :thumbsup:

Dark&Good
04-30-2009, 12:05 PM
Yes, I think one is always responsible for his belongings/properties... Since the gun can't accidentally end up in the dog's backpack, proving that it was placed in there by somebody else, or the dog itself, is a hard nut :D

N6ATF
04-30-2009, 1:27 PM
Well if the dog is your property, and your property (the dog) is under your control via the leash in your hand

If you have a well-trained dog. Poorly trained dogs use their leashes to control YOU.

Soldier415
04-30-2009, 2:03 PM
tag

CaliGunOwner
04-30-2009, 7:47 PM
I guess I was kidding -- judging from all the replies. But, I was more serious than kidding. Legitimately, if the firearm is on my dog, in a secured pack am i okay?

ViPER395
04-30-2009, 7:53 PM
I was serious too.

I really want to know as well.

I guess I was kidding -- judging from all the replies. But, I was more serious than kidding. Legitimately, if the firearm is on my dog, in a secured pack am i okay?

jaymz
04-30-2009, 8:52 PM
Yes, I think one is always responsible for his belongings/properties... Since the gun can't accidentally end up in the dog's backpack, proving that it was placed in there by somebody else, or the dog itself, is a hard nut :D

Seems to me that a year or two ago, some politician got busted for carrying concealed in a briefcase into a courthouse. No charges due to the fact that it was accidentally placed there. I'm sure somebody with a better memory than I can find the story.

SimpleCountryActuary
04-30-2009, 9:08 PM
Seems to me that a year or two ago, some politician got busted for carrying concealed in a briefcase into a courthouse. No charges due to the fact that it was accidentally placed there. I'm sure somebody with a better memory than I can find the story.

It was an aide to Senator Webb from Virginia who carried the Senator's briefcase into the Senate building. Webb should have shown some guts and said he had a right to have the sidearm ... but he sucked eggs.

N6ATF
04-30-2009, 9:30 PM
BOOOOOO!