For those bashing NO sales to CA...

[what2be]

Its been interesting to read all the posts about the gunbroker auctions that wont sell to ca, as well as the thread on Larue not selling lowers to CA.
The general consensus on here was that many people will not do business with dealers or MFG's that dont ship to CA. I recently tried to buy a .22 and had a similar experience.

When I went to buy my .22 Anshutz rifle, the only place I could find it was in Ohio by a company called Champion shooters supply. A older man I spoke with on the phone said he wasnt set up to sell to ca and didnt think he was ever going to do it either. I just assumed it was alot of paperwork but after asking on here and researching it, I realized it was very simple to do the paperwork to be able to sell and ship to ca. I ended up just shipping it to my ca address, but I had to call the company back to check on shipping and spoke with the wifes owner. I explained to her it was a pain for me to have to travel back to nevada just to get my .22 bolt action rifle and she told me the reason behind why they wont sell to california.

I cant remember her whole rant, but basically she said CA was breaking federal interstate laws by forcing FFLs to fill out that form to sell and ship to CA, and that she wasnt going to bend to a state that is breaking the law by demanding something like that. She was very insistent that what CA has done is illegal and she and others are taking a stand until the citizens of the state step up and get the law changed.

I tried to explain to her that we are doing the best we can and are constantly battling the state politicians, but I could tell she was having none of my argument. It just got me thinking, that just like we take a stand about not buying from these out of state FFL dealers, they are doing the same thing with the state of CA.

It made me think that there are 2 sides to the coin.

[Deadred7o7]

Welcome to a free market.

[Darklyte27]

they probably wouldnt even notice if CA stopped buying from out of state shops because they have 48 other states that will buy from them.

[xLusi0n]

I don't blame them for not selling to CA, but by "taking a stand" and not doing so, they are only doing what CA lawmakers wanted in the first place: to deter gun sales to CA.

[saigon1965]

Hear hear -

I don't blame them for not selling to CA, but by "taking a stand" and not doing so, they are only doing what CA lawmakers wanted in the first place: to deter gun sales to CA.

[BamBam-31]

Divided we fall. Ingenius.

[Deadred7o7]

Divided we fall. Ingenius.

Abide by unconstitutional laws we fall.

[762cavalier]

Abide by unconstitutional laws we fall.

Here we go again:rolleyes:

Do you have a solution or is this just more "NRA sucks, do something" from you.:willy_nilly::willy_nilly::willy_nilly:

[marc4]

"FOLLOW THE MONEY"
Thats what the CFLC is all about. Think about it. Who benefits from the CFLC other than the anti-gunners? Gun retailers!!! From what I have read, the CFLC was backed by the Gun retailers of California. There was no opposition to it by any gun groups from what I have seen. Not even the NRA was involved because of the gun retailers.
I explained that to an Out-Of State dealer (Dynamic Armaments) and he started to sell to California since he understood that it was a way for them to prevent/discourage him from selling to our state. Why do we like to buy guns/receivers from out of state? Because they are cheaper even with the transfer fees and the local dealers don't like that at all. Now go follow the money...

[Deadred7o7]

Here we go again:rolleyes:

Do you have a solution or is this just more "NRA sucks, do something" from you.:willy_nilly::willy_nilly::willy_nilly:

I said nothing about your beloved NRA. :puke:

[B Strong]

The goal of the anti's is to stop the sale of firearms.

Any firearm dealer that decides to not sell legal firearms into California is doing the anti's work for them.

[WokMaster1]

that is why the NRA should post a brief summary on what an non California based FFL needs to do to do business in California. It should also do a front page story in American Hunter & Rifleman magazines on the OLL movement & how it all started. Showcase the "right people", OLL manufacturers & FFLs who helped change thing around.

This will/might change things when other FFLs or manufacturers see that certain so & so are doing business with us without the CA DOJ harassing them.

[what2be]

that is why the NRA should post a brief summary on what an non California based FFL needs to do to do business in California. It should also do a front page story in American Hunter & Rifleman magazines on the OLL movement & how it all started. Showcase the "right people", OLL manufacturers & FFLs who helped change thing around.

This will/might change things when other FFLs or manufacturers see that certain so & so are doing business with us without the CA DOJ harassing them.

This is the best suggestion ive seen yet! :thumbsup:

[ivanimal]

I would have taken my own stand and bought elsewhere. I have the ability to get what I want with people that want to help us, not allow the grabbers to win.

[scotthmt]

I think one big mistake the rest of the country is making is ignoring CA. They dont understand that we are the test state, if they can do this crap here they will only try to do it to the rest of the US. As someone else here said 'the rot starts here' and it is so true. When it starts affectin the rest of the country they'll be sorry they didnt help us while they could.

[steven_m64]

"FOLLOW THE MONEY"
Thats what the CFLC is all about. Think about it. Who benefits from the CFLC other than the anti-gunners? Gun retailers!!! From what I have read, the CFLC was backed by the Gun retailers of California. There was no opposition to it by any gun groups from what I have seen. Not even the NRA was involved because of the gun retailers.
I explained that to an Out-Of State dealer (Dynamic Armaments) and he started to sell to California since he understood that it was a way for them to prevent/discourage him from selling to our state. Why do we like to buy guns/receivers from out of state? Because they are cheaper even with the transfer fees and the local dealers don't like that at all. Now go follow the money...

a very interesting take on the CFLC program i have not actually seen before and from some of the HUGE markup i have seen in some stores in CA i would have to say may have a good bit of truth in it. ;)

[cousinkix1953]

I'm perfectly happy buying my firearms in a FTF transaction. DELETED Gun Broker. Lets offer the internet gun dealers as a sacrificial lamb. It's better to get rid of these bigots instead of the gun shows. We already had one nutcase buy his guns on line and kill more than 30 people at V-Tech in 2007...

[ghostwong]

We need to some how figure a way to get rid of these clowns in Sac - that is really the bottom line.

[tenpercentfirearms]

I have found people do like to hear the line that the big retailers set it up to reduce stores like you from undercutting their profits. However, it is so easy to do, that is why the major wholesalers, manufacturers, and the gun shops who like to make money do it no problem.

If they still don't bite, F em. Their business model sucks as they are throwing away easy money. Then again, there are sometimes things I don't want to do as a business just because I don't want to.

There are many middleman FFLs out there that will order it and send it in for you.

[Deadred7o7]

I'm perfectly happy buying my firearms in a FTF transaction. DELETED Gun Broker. Lets offer the internet gun dealers as a sacrificial lamb. It's better to get rid of these bigots instead of the gun shows. We already had one nutcase buy his guns on line and kill more than 30 people at V-Tech in 2007...


Sounds alot like the Brady camp. :confused::eek::mad:

[ivanimal]

I'm perfectly happy buying my firearms in a FTF transaction. DELETED Gun Broker. Lets offer the internet gun dealers as a sacrificial lamb. It's better to get rid of these bigots instead of the gun shows. We already had one nutcase buy his guns on line and kill more than 30 people at V-Tech in 2007...

Your logic defies me.

[PatriotnMore]

OK, but why not file a class action law suit and force CA to drop an unlawful practice? Why make its citizens take the brunt of these practices? I like the fact that they are taking a stand, but I would rather they break an unlawful law, and force a court showdown, than hold to it, and refuse to sell to the citizens the law is designed to hassle.

[cousinkix1953]

We integrated our public schools in 1954, whether the racists like it or not. Same goes for lunch counters and city buses. If these bigots want to treat us like a bunch of ni***ers, and make up their own non-existent laws in 2009; then I'm all for shutting them down entirely. The feds need to shut them down. These jerks are bigger problem than the gun shows...

[OrovilleTim]

I used to not believe there were anti trolls here. Now I reconsider.

[Deadred7o7]

We integrated our public schools in 1954, whether the racists like it or not. Same goes for lunch counters and city buses. If these bigots want to treat us like a bunch of ni***ers, and make up their own non-existent laws in 2009; then I'm all for shutting them down entirely. The feds need to shut them down. These jerks are bigger problem than the gun shows...


:nuts: WTF are you talking about "non-existent laws"??? Also what problem do you have with gun shows???

[BamBam-31]

I'm perfectly happy buying my firearms in a FTF transaction. DELETED Gun Broker. Lets offer the internet gun dealers as a sacrificial lamb. It's better to get rid of these bigots instead of the gun shows. We already had one nutcase buy his guns on line and kill more than 30 people at V-Tech in 2007...


Uh, didn't the V-Tech guy buy his gun legally, in person, from a shop?

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Uh, didn't the V-Tech guy buy his gun legally, in person, from a shop?

I cannot recall if it was legal, or if the state's check didn't find that he was ineligible because someone forgot to check the crazy box when he was initially taken in for psych reasons.

[Nodda Duma]

To borrow some current slang..This thread is so full of fail it is going to make me fail at work today.

-Jason

[glock_this]

since there are many threads on this topic, and I wanted to post in 1, this is just as good as any other...

the thing I find most disgusting about this is that those dealers that are anti dealing with CA customers, and put you in your place about it act as though (1) you made the laws yourself - like you are the actual government and it is your fault and you should be held responsible and the one to be chastised, and all you want is your weapon and (2) do not even realize that in the end they are doing the very work for the very government they dislike and bemoan so much by limiting sales.... exactly what the government seeks to do.

How any out of state dealer could rant on a CA buyer as though it is your actual fault we are all in the situation we are in is stunning..

[bootcamp]

I think one big mistake the rest of the country is making is ignoring CA. They dont understand that we are the test state, if they can do this crap here they will only try to do it to the rest of the US. As someone else here said 'the rot starts here' and it is so true. When it starts affectin the rest of the country they'll be sorry they didnt help us while they could.

+1

I'd also be willing to bet big money that the out of state FFLs that ARE doing business with CA are making a significant impact on their gross and net yearly profits!