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thisismyboomstick
04-23-2009, 7:41 PM
This is pretty interesting. If I understand this bill correctly, it looks like if it is passed into law suppressors made in Texas would be completely unregulated (ETA: by the feds)in the state of Texas. No tax stamp, no background check, no nothing. I think it would also apply to SBR's and SBS's. Unfortunately it looks like an exception was thrown in for MG's.

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/81R/billtext/html/HB01863I.htm

FS00008
04-23-2009, 7:51 PM
As long as they can prove that everything was manufactured in the state all the way back to the bare materials... I see that being very nice.

bohoki
04-23-2009, 7:53 PM
yea time to reign in that interstate commerce clause
for things that do not enter interstate commerce

Fate
04-23-2009, 8:01 PM
Sigh. I need to move back home....

thisismyboomstick
04-23-2009, 8:03 PM
Actually, as long as 46.05 is still on the books, it looks like state law would still prohibit suppressors, SBR's, and SBS's.

Bummer...

CCWFacts
04-23-2009, 8:11 PM
I think Montana just passed something similar, also exempting MGs. That is unfortunate, but somehow, there is an irrational cultural thing in the US that MGs are "different" and more serious than anything else. Maybe the Feds would let a SBR slide, but they would not let an MG slide. Excluding MGs from this lets the states pass them with less risk of an actual show-down over this issue. Or maybe it would let them win such a show-down, and then move on to MGs. I hope that's the case; I would like to see the NFA be muzzled by the 10th Amend.

On written notification to the attorney general by a
citizen of the citizen's intent to manufacture a firearm, a firearm
accessory, or ammunition to which this chapter applies, the
attorney general shall seek a declaratory judgment from a federal
district court in this state that this chapter is consistent with
the United States Constitution.

So I assume they do, indeed, want to use something other than the emotionally-charged MG in a civil case. The notification thing lets them resolve the issue without having to have a criminal defendant. If that works, then maybe TX or some other state would move on to MGs as a next step? I hope for some change!

In any case, this is cool.

Telperion
04-23-2009, 8:19 PM
It seems like a better first step would be to reform Texas law so that possession of NFA firearms is explicitly lawful, instead of saying NFA registration is an affirmative defense to prosecution.

ad6mj
04-23-2009, 8:29 PM
The only kind of regulation that should regard suppressors would be requiring their use for noise control where appropriate.

Publius
04-24-2009, 7:40 AM
Unfortunately it looks like an exception was thrown in for MG's.

Also has an exception for projectiles that explode using chemical energy. But it doesn't say anything about nuclear energy! Texas has substantial uranium deposits, doesn't it? Mwahahaha! :43:

Flopper
04-24-2009, 10:11 AM
Also has an exception for projectiles that explode using chemical energy. But it doesn't say anything about nuclear energy! Texas has substantial uranium deposits, doesn't it? Mwahahaha! :43:
no prohibition on anti-matter weapons either.

i can't wait for the 22nd century!

DDT
04-24-2009, 12:25 PM
Reigning in the ICC abuses is a "good thing" IMO.

KWA-S
04-24-2009, 12:36 PM
That is unfortunate, but somehow, there is an irrational cultural thing in the US that MGs are "different" and more serious than anything else.

Well, look at video games and, more so, movies. Machine guns have 1000 round mags and can easily headshot everyone in sight while shooting from the hip without aiming. Not to mention if there isn't anyone in site, they'll automatically seek the nearest cop or baby, and shoot down a plane every fifth round. Additionally, they are easily available in American gun stores and are smuggled into Mexico by the millions every day. :eek:

DDT
04-24-2009, 12:38 PM
Well, look at video games and, more so, movies. Machine guns have 1000 round mags and can easily headshot everyone in sight while shooting from the hip without aiming. Not to mention if there isn't anyone in site, they'll automatically seek the nearest cop or baby, and shoot down a plane every fifth round. Additionally, they are easily available in American gun stores and are smuggled into Mexico by the millions every day. :eek:

Is that a description of video games and movies or the network news? I guess they must all take their orders from the brady bunch.

KWA-S
04-24-2009, 1:01 PM
Is that a description of video games and movies or the network news? I guess they must all take their orders from the brady bunch.

Don't get me started on the Brady bunch... HIGH POWERED BOLT ACTION HIGH CAPACITY HEAD HUNTING SCOPED REMINGTON 541 ASSAULT WEAPON (THINK OF THE CHILDREN)

The caps is necessary to convey their alarmist screaming (in your ear).

Oh, and this gun:
http://www.ak47world.com/feinsteinAK47.jpg
shoots this:
http://www.pocketpicks.co.uk/latest/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/nuke.jpg

Flopper
04-24-2009, 1:06 PM
Well, look at video games and, more so, movies. Machine guns have 1000 round mags and can easily headshot everyone in sight while shooting from the hip without aiming.
actually, that's not true. most video games make you aim, otherwise you'll spray haphazardly and most likely miss, and they also have realistic mag capacities.

it's a sad day when games are more realistic than the media.

KWA-S
04-24-2009, 1:11 PM
actually, that's not true. most video games make you aim, otherwise you'll spray haphazardly and most likely miss, and they also have realistic mag capacities.

it's a sad day when games are more realistic than the media.

Its both true and sad. Heck, even nail guns are "high powered weapons (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8015977.stm)" according to the media.

Publius
04-24-2009, 2:10 PM
Its both true and sad. Heck, even nail guns are "high powered weapons (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8015977.stm)" according to the media.

I remember watching one of those news shows like 20-20 a few years ago when they had an exposť on BB guns, and they actually argued that some BB guns are more powerful than a .38 special because the air rifle they used had a higher muzzle velocity than their test .38 special revolver. Never mind that one is firing a ~150 grain lead slug while the other is firing a 5 grain steel ball.

sgtlmj
04-24-2009, 3:55 PM
Suppressors, like fences, make good neighbors. It's ridiculous that they still hold some sort of mafia "pfft" stigma based solely on media misrepresentation of them.

M. Sage
04-24-2009, 7:44 PM
http://newsminer.com/news/2009/apr/16/bill-exempts-alaska-federal-gun-regulation/

Alaska did the same thing. The Texas bill is nowhere near as good.

These bills will accomplish about as much as CA's "legalization" of Mary Jane: squat.

Suppressors, like fences, make good neighbors.

I always have been a firm believer that it's rude to wake your neighbors just to take out the trash.

yellowfin
04-24-2009, 7:46 PM
A large part of the problem with silencers keeping the stigma goes beyond the media. Being Title 2 items means they can't be sold by most gun shops, so a large percentage of gun owners simply have never seen one and don't know they can buy them. The companies that make them also don't make themselves too well known (except online such as our good friend Freakshow), and it seems a lot of outlets for publicity aren't open to them apparently. Because of the low volume of production and excessive regulation they're expensive, and the transfer tax makes for almost zero used sales. Even living in a free state my whole life and being a firearms enthusiast I'd almost never seen one in the hands of non-LE until close to the time I left. The simple fact of their lack of exposure and familiarity is why we have a problem. If a higher percentage of gun owners, particularly neophytes, knew about them and knew they could have them, they'd have tons of call to deregulate them.

tygerpaw
04-25-2009, 10:50 AM
It would be cool if they allowed rimfire machine guns! What normal person can afford to shoot centerfire machine guns anymore?

M. Sage
04-25-2009, 5:03 PM
Even living in a free state my whole life and being a firearms enthusiast I'd almost never seen one in the hands of non-LE until close to the time I left.

I finally got to touch one a couple of weeks ago at a gun show, but it wasn't for sale, and it was on an exhibitor's personal SBR. I agree: I was pretty surprised to see one at a gun show!

yellowfin
04-25-2009, 6:41 PM
I wonder what it would take to get a store with big exposure like Bass Pro Shops or Cabelas to get a Class 3 license so they could sell cans in free states. The exposure to such large crowds would do wonders to expanding the market and helping us out.

ST5MF
04-26-2009, 6:14 AM
Suppressor are ALREADY easily had in Texas (Albeit if you are not a convicted FELON).

I have been to the gunshows and ASHOUTDOORS displays them frequently in the San Antonio Area. AshOutdoors sell AAC, Gemtech, YHM, OPsInc anything you could want.

I have seen safes filled top to bottom with 100% legal cans.

On a PIG HUNT it is just plain rude to NOT have a can on your AR15...

TX is not Cali.

ST5MF
04-26-2009, 6:30 AM
A large part of the problem with silencers keeping the stigma goes beyond the media. Being Title 2 items means they can't be sold by most gun shops, so a large percentage of gun owners simply have never seen one and don't know they can buy them. The companies that make them also don't make themselves too well known (except online such as our good friend Freakshow), and it seems a lot of outlets for publicity aren't open to them apparently. Because of the low volume of production and excessive regulation they're expensive, and the transfer tax makes for almost zero used sales. Even living in a free state my whole life and being a firearms enthusiast I'd almost never seen one in the hands of non-LE until close to the time I left. The simple fact of their lack of exposure and familiarity is why we have a problem. If a higher percentage of gun owners, particularly neophytes, knew about them and knew they could have them, they'd have tons of call to deregulate them.

Short list of suppressor vendors in TX:

Texas

Longview Class III Arms Longview (903) 918-0140
Class 3 Weapons Houston (713) 692-1111
Lone Star Accuracy Haslet (817) 750-2650
3 Enterprises Houston (979) 843-7266
Arwady Sales Co. Houston (713) 723-8583
The Armory Mesquite (972) 285-1288
Ash Outdoors Boerne (210) 573-3599
Bass to Buffalo Austin (512) 263-1888
Noble Douglass, Sr. College Station (979) 764-7726
Lawman Sales Iola (979) 219-3109
G-Sports Cypress (281) 897-9800
Gee's Sporting Goods Amarillo (806) 382-6060
The Gun Store Cedar Park (512) 335-5601
Handgun Academy of Burleson Burleson (817) 295-3373
Republic Arms Houston (713) 682-5549
Dallas Subguns DFW (214) 534-7070
Skotz Ordnance Austin (512) 250-5050
South Texas Tactical McAllen (956) 821-5286
RCSGuns.com North Dallas (972) 249-5273
Texas Small Arms Research McKinney (972) 408-7759
Mr. Money Pawn El Campo (979) 543-7296
Texas Firearms Sales Houston (281) 414-7493

Suppressors aren't hard to find in TX. They just ain't cheap. If you have the means; then they are really easy to obtain and 100% LEGAL.

MP301
04-26-2009, 7:33 AM
Don't get me started on the Brady bunch... HIGH POWERED BOLT ACTION HIGH CAPACITY HEAD HUNTING SCOPED REMINGTON 541 ASSAULT WEAPON (THINK OF THE CHILDREN)

The caps is necessary to convey their alarmist screaming (in your ear).

Oh, and this gun:
http://www.ak47world.com/feinsteinAK47.jpg
shoots this:
http://www.pocketpicks.co.uk/latest/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/nuke.jpg

Is that B***H's finger on the trigger? Thats real safe...dumbs**t!

yellowfin
04-26-2009, 7:34 AM
Ok, so that's one of the free states well covered. How about the others?

gunsmith
04-26-2009, 3:50 PM
CA has better knife laws then TX, but they have nicer women

popndrop
04-26-2009, 10:03 PM
Right now it's as simple as getting a background check and paying your Tax Stamp and you can own a can in TX. A guy that I used to hunt with wanted something to take care of varmints around his house at night- ruger 10/22 with the silenced barrel - no problem.
I need to move. It's really not that bad of a place, Texas. It's just a shame there are so many Texans there.

ST5MF
04-27-2009, 6:34 AM
Ok, so that's one of the free states well covered. How about the others?

National "Short-List." Suppressors are not hard to find or come buy in America.

Alabama

Southeastern Guns Birmingham (205) 661-1486
Summit Manufacturing Attalla (256) 538-5121
Valley Ridge Guns Attalla (205) 594-7876

Alaska

Alaska Tactical & Security Inc. Anchorage (907) 338-3458
Arms & Equipment Fairbanks (907) 474-0636

Arizona

Admiral Products Scottsdale (602) 390-1809
Arizona Tactical Firearms Tempe (480) 752-9200
Big Bore Phoenix (602) 923-1416
C&T Enterprises Tuscon (520) 298-0422
Shooters Vault Phoenix (602) 971-8600
Capital Ordnance Scottsdale (480) 945-0242

Arkansas

Arkansas Guns & Ammo Dardanelle (479) 229-5127
The Gun Shop Fort Smith (479) 629-4999
Scott's Gun Shop Heber Spring (501) 362-3132
Trent's Rental Jonesboro (870) 972-5757
Sturm's Indoor Gun Range Springdale (479) 927-2244
Knesek Guns, Inc. Van Buren (479) 474-1680

Colorado

Denver Bullets Denver (303) 893-3146
Wright Arms Grand Junction (970) 245-8792
Iron Ridge Arms Co Denver 303-772-4365
MGTS Dumont (303) 567-0330
Trumbull Gunsmithing & Sales Parker (303) 909-6366
RKL Inc. Lakewood (303) 809-6712

Connecticut

Forest and Field Outdoor Norwalk (203) 847-4008 x4
Newington Gun Exchange Newington (860) 667-2658
Provost's Precision Weatogue (860) 651-0071
Tactical Arms Torrington (860) 626-7345
R & J Solutions, Inc. Wallingford (203) 996-4867 (GUNS)

Florida

DGG Taser and Tactical Supply Jacksonville 1.866.626.8273 x25
Anvil Arms LLC Lakeland (863) 398-4460
A&G Firearms Ocala (352) 572-0427
Burney Ratliff Live Oak (386) 362-1274
Florida Gun Exchange Port Orange (386) 304-9499
Heavy Metal Armory Bradenton (941) 741-8282
LRM Custom Firearms Tallahassee (850) 877-9815
Mor-Guns Panama City (850) 785-6250
Only The Best Pompano Bch. (954) 545-1321
PAR Firearms West Palm Bch. (561) 683-6042
Pickett Weaponry Newberry (352) 472-4876
Neal Schoonderwood Ft. Meyers (239) 980-1119
SRD Melbourne (321) 722-4797
SRT Supply St. Petersburg (727) 526-5451
Walker High Energy Bradenton (941) 713-2483
Gun Gallery Jacksonville (904) 641-1619
Security Arms International Pinecrest (305) 253-7600
Coles Gun Shop Clearwater (727) 447-0507
Florida Armory, Inc. Miami (305) 207-1300

Georgia

Autrey's Armory Fayetteville (770) 719-2454
Bullseye Lawrenceville (770) 963-6556
The Clyde Armory Bogart (706) 549-1842
The Gun Shop Savannah (912) 238-3030
Polite Society Braselton (706) 654-4848
Sullivan's Classic Arms Cumming (678) 513-7575
TTS Smyrna (312) 371-7356

Idaho

F.L.A.G.S Idaho Falls (208) 528-0158
Impact Guns Boise (208) 321-1288
Sam's Gun Shop Poca Tello (208) 233-7879

Cont...

ST5MF
04-27-2009, 6:35 AM
Idaho

F.L.A.G.S Idaho Falls (208) 528-0158
Impact Guns Boise (208) 321-1288
Sam's Gun Shop Poca Tello (208) 233-7879

Indiana

ACME Sports Seymour (812) 522-4008
Custom Combat Arms Greenwood (317) 888-5400
Midwest Gun Exchange Mishawka (574) 257-0020
Kent Parker La Porte (219) 898-7472
Premier Arms Brownsburg (317) 858-3030
R&D Law Enforcement Merrillville (219) 791-0027

Kansas
Darin Ryan Reiss Wichita (316) 554-7011
Meriden Gun Shop Meriden (785) 484-3006
JDG Enterprise Leawood (913) 488-1459
RMP Gunworks Topeka (785) 256-6682

Kentucky

Elite Firearms & Supplies Boaz (270) 534-0500
Kentucky Firearms Nicholasville (859) 361-9444
Sport Shooters Madisonville (270) 825-1733
SD&I Louisville (502) 552-8106
Keene's Depot/The Kentucky Gun Company Bardstown (502) 348-3594
SILENT OPTIONS Louisville (502) 491-6942

Louisiana

Belsco Lafayette (337) 233-1888
Ronnie Amend Shreveport (318) 686-7731
To-Morrow's Weapons / TMW Pineville (318) 481-4869

Maine

Pallet Associates
(LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY)

Weymouth (781) 626-0958
Pine Tree Trading Lewiston (207) 786-2213

Maryland

A&D Pawn Glen Burnie (410) 766-7357
Duffy's Gun Room Sparks (410) 771-4398
Select Fire Glen Burnie (410) 768-3473
STG Works (The Armory) Annapolis (410) 224-4972

Minnesota

Final Option
(LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY) Cedar (763) 413-2395

Mississippi

Aguirre Enterprises Saltillo (662) 844-7019
Guns & Ammo Moss Point (228) 475-4700
Smith Speed Shop Purvis (601) 794-2855
Clifton M Decker Enterprises LLC Modison (662) 871-5235

Montana

Missoula Mercantile (Axmen) Missoula (406) 251-3399
Montana Tactical Bozeman (406) 585-8686
Beartooth Cash & Gun Billings (406) 245-4448

Nebraska

Hatcher Gun Co. Elsie (308) 228-2454
The Gun Shop Morrill (308) 247-2040
DCH Manufacturing South Sioux City (712) 899-3033
Deer Crossing Sales,LLC Hastings (402) 462-8998

Nevada

Jaco Sales Co. Reno (775) 997-3383

New Hampshire

Palmer Gunworks Enfield (603) 632-7613
Triple Break Products Merrimack (603) 424-0923
Lee's Gun Shop Londonderry (603) 425-6528

New Jersey

Ray's Sport Shop
(LAW ENFORCEMENT ONLY) North Plainfield (908) 561-4400

New Mexico

SMI Albuquerque (505) 298-8155
Sportsman's Supply Hobbs (505) 397-4547

North Carolina

Personal Defense
Handgun Safety Center Inc. Raleigh (919) 779-6880
Class Two Enterprises Belmont (704) 827-5566
Gunners Choice Outfitters Dunn (910) 892-0909
J&E Firearms Shawboro (252) 202-1393
Top Gun Shelby (704) 616-0310

Ohio

James Burgess Westerville (614) 891-5784
Cousino's Firearms Toledo (419) 704-8182
Gessner Firearms Co. Beavercreek (937) 429-0517
Graves Guns Columbus (614) 221-5831
Lock Stock and Barrel Portsmouth (740) 776-7567
New Albany Shooting Range New Albany (614) 939-0112
Ohio Ordnance Chardon (440) 285-3481
One Shot Newtown (513) 474-6646
Ottawa Ordnance Ottawa (419) 523-4911
Weapons Systems III Ravenna (330) 297-5196

Oklahoma

H&H Gun Range
Shooting Sports Outlet Oklahoma City (405) 947-3888 x124
B&M Firearms Shawnee (405) 273-1132
Benson Firearms Oklahoma City (405) 373-3839
Kyle's Armament North East Oklahoma (918) 476-5093
Tulsa Action Firearms Tulsa (918) 663-2730
Major Malfunction's Munitions Edmond (918) 808-3661

Oregon

John Noveske Rifleworks Grant's Pass (541) 479-6117
MLC Exotic Class III Salem (503) 370-8900
Bang Arms LLC Hillsboro (503) 720-8407
Southern Oregon Tactical Ashland (541) 201-0842
TD Manufacturing Bend (541) 389-6054
West Coast Machineguns Cottage Grove (503) 997-9939

Pennsylvania

Bear Paw Arms Mt. Pleasant (724) 547-5609
Ed's Sports Shop Tamaqua (570) 668-1080
Firearm Supply (Ray Carmichael) Trafford (412) 372-2191
Freedom Armory Inc. Shrewsbury (717) 227-9060
Jones Gun Shop Allentown (610) 433-7073
Raymond Barnes Allentown (610) 261-5127
Armament Services International Inc. Philadelphia (215) 552-0050
Ric's Firearms Monessen (724) 684-7799
Targetmaster Chadds Ford (610) 459-5400
Walker Precision Erie (814) 440-7634
Smith Specialty Arms Slatington (610) 767-4670
Shakey's Gun Shop Orwigsburg (570) 366-0179
LOWDM MFG CO LLC NE PA (516) 627-3030

South Carolina

Ammo Plus Anderson (864) 224-7333
Carson's Gun Repair Santee (803) 496-5761
Gordon Specialties Greenville (864) 242-5140
Griffin Co. West Columbia (803) 755-9304

South Dakota

Larry's Guns Yankton (605) 665-9461
South Dakota Silencer Sioux Falls

Tennessee

Brighton Arms Brighton (901) 476-3030
Craig's Firearms Supply Knoxville (865) 573-4567
Dry Valley Gun Sales East Tennessee-Marysville (865) 681-3777
Guns & Leather Greenbrier (615) 643-4865
Guns & More Knoxville (865) 584-1100
Gun Runners USA Blountville (423) 306-2212
InRange Kodak (865) 932-6509
Mike's Jackson (731) 422-3830
Scott Bookkeeping Chattanooga (423) 622-4361
S&R Guns Algood (931) 537-6862
Blue Boy Relics Gatlinburg (865) 436-6382

Texas

Longview Class III Arms Longview (903) 918-0140
Class 3 Weapons Houston (713) 692-1111
Lone Star Accuracy Haslet (817) 750-2650
3 Enterprises Houston (979) 843-7266
Arwady Sales Co. Houston (713) 723-8583
The Armory Mesquite (972) 285-1288
Ash Outdoors Boerne (210) 573-3599
Bass to Buffalo Austin (512) 263-1888
Noble Douglass, Sr. College Station (979) 764-7726
Lawman Sales Iola (979) 219-3109
G-Sports Cypress (281) 897-9800
Gee's Sporting Goods Amarillo (806) 382-6060
The Gun Store Cedar Park (512) 335-5601
Handgun Academy of Burleson Burleson (817) 295-3373
Republic Arms Houston (713) 682-5549
Dallas Subguns DFW (214) 534-7070
Skotz Ordnance Austin (512) 250-5050
South Texas Tactical McAllen (956) 821-5286
RCSGuns.com North Dallas (972) 249-5273
Texas Small Arms Research McKinney (972) 408-7759
Mr. Money Pawn El Campo (979) 543-7296
Texas Firearms Sales Houston (281) 414-7493

Utah
Get Some Guns & Ammo Murray (801) 562-1222
Impact Guns Ogden (801) 393-2474
Impact Guns Salt Lake City (801) 967-8005

Virginia

The Armory Virginia Beach (757) 424-1617
Frederick County Firearms Winchester (540) 678-9110
Innovative Tactical Solutions Herndon (703) 899-4867
International Police Supply Woodbridge (703) 897-5227
SSG Fredericksburg (540) 582-7726
Stonewall Arms Winchester (540) 535-2190
US Tactical Oakton (703) 217-8781
Bob's Gun Shop Norfolk (757) 627-8311

Washington

West Coast Armory Issaquah (425) 391-GUNS
Axel Raven Co. Spokane (509) 489-2130
Dave's Guns Nine Mile Falls (509) 467-7591
Discount Gun Sales LLC Kirkland (425) 823-9509
PaineField Instruments Inc. Mukilteo (425) 353-8611
West Coast Tactical
& Law Enforcement Supply Snohomish (206) 372-7324
Wade's Eastside Gun Shop Bellevue (425) 649-5995
Cascade Arsenal Snohomish (206) 718-9914
Ranier Arms Auburn (253) 218-2999

West Virginia
Tactical Defense Bruceton Mills (304) 288-0705
Precision Weapons Corporation Beckley (304) 877-6596
R L Parrack, LLC Elkins (304) 636-0899

Wisconsin

Shooters Sports Center Inc Racine (262) 681-1040
Lauer Custom Weaponry Chippewa Falls (800) 830-6677
TMK Arms Ashwaubenon (920) 497-8478
Subgun Ordnance 262-770-9894

Wyoming

Casper Arms Casper (307) 267-3735

yellowfin
04-27-2009, 8:29 AM
Still a tiny fraction of gun stores, not even a whole percent. Has any appreciable fraction of the gun owning public been to those places or are aware of them?

BrianK_73
04-27-2009, 8:41 AM
Still a tiny fraction of gun stores, not even a whole percent. Has any appreciable fraction of the gun owning public been to those places or are aware of them?

It is entirely possible that people have been to an FFL 07/SOT gun store and not realized it. The reason is that few stores carry stock or seldom have anything sitting on the shelf because someone buys it after seeing it and it gets put away until that person's paperwork clears. If someone isn't looking for a dealer, they have a good chance of not finding one.

ST5MF
04-27-2009, 10:31 AM
Still a tiny fraction of gun stores, not even a whole percent. Has any appreciable fraction of the gun owning public been to those places or are aware of them?

I think you over estimate the market, so few people can even afford decent guns and quality ammo at a gun store much less suppressors.

Suppressors for the most part are for people with means; not tire kicking gun store frequentors.

Most whom buy a suppressor know what they are buying before buying it. The dealer is only an administrative facilitator of said NFA item.

Having rows of suppressors at every gun store in America is like having rows of Beamers at every car dealership. It is not practical the market just isn't that large.

yellowfin
04-27-2009, 11:12 AM
A .22 suppressor is $450-600 with the tax. Centerfire stuff $600-1200. People can't afford that? If they can't afford that then why are stores crammed edge to edge with $450-1200+ guns? How in the world do golf stores sell $300 drivers and $500-1000 club sets like candy bars then? Have you noticed what a boat costs, or a motorcycle? Even bicycles can cost $1000 or more these days!

I agree that perhaps rows and rows of them in every store perhaps wouldn't be in order, but at least two or three visible at the higher volume and/or well located stores would definitely be in order. A lot of the folks I've known over the years were very attached to the one or two stores they do business with, and if it's not in those stores they wouldn't likely buy it. I can say for certain that talk among the people I knew almost never included cans, and most I've talked to since didn't know that you could get them much less where. The education through exposure would be of tremendous value in building market base which would lower prices by increased volume and build numbers which would increase political clout for getting restrictions lifted.

And here's a tax stamp: http://i43.tinypic.com/5cysxy.jpg