View Full Version : Question on Open Carry.

04-22-2009, 10:51 AM
Now that we do have the 2nd amendment, what did "Heller say".

Well, there is implication that we have the right to "Bear functional firearms".
Functional means the gun isn't disabled, it is ready to go.

Carrying a gun in UOC fashion is carrying a disabled gun.
Why not push for LOC. Isn't that what most of us want anyway?

Since we face arrest if we "open loaded carry", could we do a federal lawsuit to invalid the "Mulford Act" as a violation of the second amendment.

How about amending cases for those who are being persecuted for UOC, and include a motion to dismiss since the "Mulford Act" violates the 2nd amendment per Heller?

Maybe we should consider a fresh lawsuit and if so, we need to decide who we should have as "Plantiffs".

Now of course I know that some of you are not going to like what I am going to suggest because it is sick, evil and twisted, but it would be alot of fun:43:

Bobby Seale is still alive somewhere. He was the Black Panther who walked into the Capitol at the time. He is a OLD MAN today somewhere.

He definitely would be a interesting plantiff because he was the person that the law was directed against.

If we are going to have rights, we have to support the exercise of those rights by people we don't like. The Black Panthers have the right to carry arms to protect themselves.

I know that this will make many of you uncomfortable, but the reality is the second amendment recognizes our right to have arms so that if we have a oppressive government, that we can restore our rights by force.


I know that Bobby Seale today is against arms, and he may not do this anyway. On the other hand, it would give him the opportunity to reach across to talk to people like us.

From what he has written online, the Black Panthers started carrying sidearms because they were carrying arms to protect themselves from police brutality.

Ideally the legislature should have asked Bobby Seale and his fellow Black Panthers why they felt the need to carry arms and let them speak.

Instead of banning open carry, they should have banned POLICE BRUTALITY.
Bobby Seale has a personal interest in this, it will rewrite his legacy.

Concealed carry laws came into place to disarm minorities so that the rest of their rights could be infringed on.

Open carry was banned in this state because of a fear that the Blacks would actually take up arms against their oppressors.

Gee, has that been done in our country, say around 1775-1776:eek:

I know many of you were her in California during the Watts riots and civil rights era and things were ugly then.

Alot of bad things were done on both sides.

If the California legislature had rejected the Mulford act and instead turned around and worked for equal rights for all instead, it is very possible that the Black Panthers would have taken different directions.

When you are oppressed, Communism and other socialist programs sound very appealing.


04-22-2009, 6:14 PM
Read this to see how LEO's react to LOC: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=175961
That'd be a bad way to start the marathon (though I do agree they're violating the law under color of authority).

And, we do NOT want unsavory types as the poster children in our lawsuits challenging unconstitutional laws! What's the name of the knucklehead gangbanger who's lawyer tried to use Heller as a defense against carrying in his front yard - leading to a judge to rule private property is public unless there's a high fence around it? No, no, don't put the rotten fruit out on display. Take a lesson from Allan Gura's plaintiffs in the latest DC suit, or indeed, Heller himself.

04-22-2009, 7:02 PM
I slightly disagree. Sometimes you need a dirty person to make the most convincing argument.

I for one would support a convicted felon as well as another clean defendant in many of these cases. I believe that even felons (non-violent) felons deserve the right to protect themselves.

And really, believe it or not, how many of these very people end up in our armed services helping us "defend" democracy?

04-22-2009, 7:38 PM
It will be nice to see Milwaukee's police chief cause another situation where open carry will be defended in court. Maybe they'll get stupid enough to fight it all the way to the federal level.

04-22-2009, 8:04 PM
Yeah, I've gotta say, I haven't been a fan of UOC here right this second (that's a battle we can fight soon, though). But, man, if that guy were here, I'd definitely be part of the group of people marching up and down in front of the police station trying to get arrested for doing nothing wrong.

I hope there's a lot of Wisconsinites planning this tomorrow...