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unusedusername
04-21-2009, 4:36 PM
Hello All,

I may be a newb, but I've thought a bit about what the next steps after Nordyke should be. Maybe the "right people" could tell me if I have guessed right?

I see the next step as a 5 pronged operation. The prongs are pretty much independent so they could be done in parallel, other then the fact that we might not have enough legal power to handle that much.

Prong 1: CA AW laws. We find someone with a squeaky-clean perfect record. This person applies for an AW reg to buy 4 AWs: (1) A listed but very popular AW (Colt AR), (2) A AW configured, but very popular off list rifle (any OLL AR works), (3) An AW configured, but very popular and off list shotgun (A popular semi auto pistol gripped AND collapsing stock shotgun). (4) a Non-scary looking but popular and threaded barrel semi-auto pistol. This person gets denied for the AW permit, then sues under now incorporated Heller.

Prong 2: CA CCW laws. 2 possibilities here:

* We find someone with a squeaky-clean perfect record that has no "good cause" other then 2nd amendment rights. This person applies for a CCW and gets denied, then sues under now incorporated 2nd amendment right to bear arms.

* We find someone with a squeaky-clean perfect record that has no "good cause" other then 2nd amendment rights. This person then sues for the ability to loaded-open carry under under now incorporated 2nd amendment right to bear arms. The state legislator quickly passes shall-issue CCW to prevent mass-open carrying.

Prong 3: CA "Hi-Capacity" magazine laws. We find someone with a squeaky-clean perfect record. This person then makes some documented (but legal) move that would lead to buying a high-caacity magazine such as buying a NON-AW looking rifle that comes stock with a high capacity magazine, such as high end 22. To keep prong 3 and prong 1 separate, this rifle must be long, wood stocked, and completely non-scary looking. The person after receiving the rifle without the normal magazine that usually comes with it then sues.

Prong 4: Halting new anti-gun legislation. We sue under now-incorporated Heller to stop any new anti's moves.

Prong 5: NFA rules. This one is a bit more tricky.... We find someone with a squeaky-clean perfect record. This person then applies for a NFA stamp for something very popular, but completely non-scary looking, such as a 10" barreled 10/22 in a wood stock. This person then gets denied and sues. We would need to show that these items are popular firearms under Heller, and thus can't be banned.

I'll volunteer to be one of the guinea pigs if it is needed. :chris: Although, it might be better if the volunteers were minorities and or women??

How does this look for a guess as to how we might proceed next?

gn3hz3ku1*
04-21-2009, 4:41 PM
i have a super clean record... soo super clean even the gov said it was super clean

lioneaglegriffin
04-21-2009, 5:51 PM
i have a super clean record... soo super clean even the gov said it was super clean

me too passed two fbi checks and im black. you know how the gov is always tryin to keep a brotha down ;)

professorhard
04-21-2009, 5:56 PM
I like your thinking and in addition to the miniority/women maybe it would be good for them to be retired military/LE or "low income"

hoffmang
04-21-2009, 6:01 PM
NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...

Handguns have the most protection right now so you're going to see things move from handguns out. Don't worry though, the end of the AW laws are very near and dear to many hearts here.

-Gene

SwissFluCase
04-21-2009, 6:03 PM
NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...

I'm going to have to quote that... :p

Regards,


SwissFluCase

Saigon1965
04-21-2009, 6:04 PM
I am holding you to this -

NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...

Handguns have the most protection right now so you're going to see things move from handguns out. Don't worry though, the end of the AW laws are very near and dear to many hearts here.

-Gene

WokMaster1
04-21-2009, 6:14 PM
NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...

Handguns have the most protection right now so you're going to see things move from handguns out. Don't worry though, the end of the AW laws are very near and dear to many hearts here.

-Gene

You need to come hang out at my bar....;)

b.faust
04-21-2009, 6:16 PM
You need to come hang out at my bar....;)

Haha, I was going to say the same thing. I know a couple bars in SF....

Great QOTD though.

CHS
04-21-2009, 6:53 PM
Haha, I was going to say the same thing. I know a couple bars in SF....


He said GIRLS :)

RomanDad
04-21-2009, 6:56 PM
NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...


-Gene
We must go to different bars?

PolishMike
04-21-2009, 7:01 PM
NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...



One out of a hundred times you will win big time though :)

foxtrotuniformlima
04-21-2009, 7:05 PM
Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...


I saw this exact thing happen once, in New Orleans no less. He went down in flames.

Flogger23m
04-21-2009, 7:08 PM
NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...

Handguns have the most protection right now so you're going to see things move from handguns out. Don't worry though, the end of the AW laws are very near and dear to many hearts here.

-Gene

I hope the first things to go are the AW ban and may issue gets turned into shall issue. For some reason, I think these would be the easiest to change.

tombinghamthegreat
04-21-2009, 7:09 PM
Don't worry though, the end of the AW laws are very near and dear to many hearts here

When you say the end of a AW ban is near are we talking months? I would like to make some buys in the near future;)

trashman
04-21-2009, 7:11 PM
NFA is a long ways off as well it should be.

And very much because, enthusiasm for NFA stuff aside -- politically the "sour grapes" backlash I hear from anti-gunnies about Heller is that it will lead to an overturn of the NFA. :willy_nilly:

This plays directly into the the misconception amongst soccer moms that machine guns are identical to "sport utility rifles."

We gotta work hard against that. We're never going to convince soccer moms that machine guns should be legal (even as they are actually legal under the NFA!). IMO better to quietly work for equal application of the NFA across all 50 states...

--Neill

PolishMike
04-21-2009, 7:12 PM
When you say the end of a AW ban is near are we talking months? I would like to make some buys in the near future;)

Years. Plural.

GaffSD
04-21-2009, 7:29 PM
All,

Not trying to get in to a technical discussion, but I honestly don't think that NFA weapons are a big deal...

The military is getting away from full-auto anyhow. When I was a .50 and 25mm gunner, they trained us to use 3-5 round bursts MAX, and I can do that with an OLL.

Take the gun laws in Arizona, for example, and you can build a perfectly legal militia that ANY army would consider a threat.

We just need to ditch our Bullet Buttons and get our Hi-caps back...

Respectfully,

Ron

Calguns2000
04-21-2009, 7:34 PM
Realistic CA action items, in the most logical order are 1) Safe List, 2) CCW Shall vs. May Issue, 3) Loaded Open Carry, 4) Hi-cap mag ban and AW Ban and 5) 50 bmg ban.

According to my crystal ball, the outcome will be as follows:

1) Safe list held to be unconstitutional by SCOTUS, CA responds by implementing a revised safe list that looks more like a safety regulation and less like a disguised gun ban (i.e., bans 14% of handguns, not 86% of handguns) and fits within the parameters of the decision striking down the original safe list.

2) CCW may issue is held to be constitutional by SCOTUS, so long as there is a fair and objective set of criteria that are not being arbitrarily applied. CA responds by implementing specific guidelines.

3) Banning loaded open carry outside of "sensitive spaces" is held to be unconstitutional by the SCOTUS (dicta in Heller already indicates loaded open carry is protected by the 2A). CA responds by taking a broad view of "sensitive spaces" to cover all governmental/county properties, gun free zones etc.

4) Hi-cap mag ban is held to be constitutional by the SCOTUS. AW ban is held unconstitutional by the SCOTUS because it bans the AR-15 and other popular firearms that are in common use and are therefore not "dangerous and unusual". CA responds by permitting AW's to be registered.

5) 50 bmg ban is declared constitutional by the SCOTUS because 50 bmg rifles are not in common use by the public and are "dangerous and unusual".

Rhyyke
04-21-2009, 7:37 PM
forget nordyke... after reading this thread i think i need to go bar hopping with some fellow cal gunners!

Rascal
04-21-2009, 7:38 PM
We just need to ditch our Bullet Buttons and get our Hi-caps back...

Respectfully,

Ron

That's exactly what I'm hoping for too. :iagree:

Futurecollector
04-21-2009, 7:40 PM
I found my new sig line quote :D

DDT
04-21-2009, 7:43 PM
Years. Plural.

On what do you base this estimate?

G30 Steve
04-21-2009, 7:54 PM
Since the 9th Circuit "abrogated" its decision in Hickman v. Block, does that mean Hickman won and can now go pick up his CCW from Baca?

Are there any Loaded Gun convictions that had their 2nd Amendment appeals tossed out due to Hickman?
What happens to their cases/convictions/PC12031?

G17GUY
04-21-2009, 7:54 PM
On what do you base this estimate?


um...two weeks?:p

Racefiend
04-21-2009, 8:20 PM
When you say the end of a AW ban is near are we talking months? I would like to make some buys in the near future;)

I believe you misread his statement. He said the end of the AW ban is near AND dear TO many hearts....not that it was near.

Deamer
04-21-2009, 8:26 PM
4) Hi-cap mag ban is held to be constitutional by the SCOTUS. AW ban is held unconstitutional by the SCOTUS because it bans the AR-15 and other popular firearms that are in common use and are therefore not "dangerous and unusual". CA responds by permitting AW's to be registered.

5) 50 bmg ban is declared constitutional by the SCOTUS because 50 bmg rifles are not in common use by the public and are "dangerous and unusual".

Aren't Hi-caps and 50BMG in common use by the public in alot of free states?

Librarian
04-21-2009, 8:31 PM
Since the 9th Circuit "abrogated" its decision in Hickman v. Block, does that mean Hickman won and can now go pick up his CCW from Baca?

Are there any Loaded Gun convictions that had their 2nd Amendment appeals tossed out due to Hickman?
What happens to their cases/convictions/PC12031?

Hickman might file a new case; otherwise, no.

All of those would have to be refiled - nothing is automatic.

sigsauer887
04-21-2009, 8:38 PM
Realistic CA action items, in the most logical order are 1) Safe List, 2) CCW Shall vs. May Issue, 3) Loaded Open Carry, 4) Hi-cap mag ban and AW Ban and 5) 50 bmg ban.

According to my crystal ball, the outcome will be as follows:

1) Safe list held to be unconstitutional by SCOTUS, CA responds by implementing a revised safe list that looks more like a safety regulation and less like a disguised gun ban (i.e., bans 14% of handguns, not 86% of handguns) and fits within the parameters of the decision striking down the original safe list.

2) CCW may issue is held to be constitutional by SCOTUS, so long as there is a fair and objective set of criteria that are not being arbitrarily applied. CA responds by implementing specific guidelines.

3) Banning loaded open carry outside of "sensitive spaces" is held to be unconstitutional by the SCOTUS (dicta in Heller already indicates loaded open carry is protected by the 2A). CA responds by taking a broad view of "sensitive spaces" to cover all governmental/county properties, gun free zones etc.

4) Hi-cap mag ban is held to be constitutional by the SCOTUS. AW ban is held unconstitutional by the SCOTUS because it bans the AR-15 and other popular firearms that are in common use and are therefore not "dangerous and unusual". CA responds by permitting AW's to be registered.

5) 50 bmg ban is declared constitutional by the SCOTUS because 50 bmg rifles are not in common use by the public and are "dangerous and unusual".

Business must be booming for you huh?

b.faust
04-21-2009, 10:33 PM
He said GIRLS :)

Haha,

high 5 on the sweet burn.

;)

yellowfin
04-21-2009, 10:46 PM
NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex..
Who says you can't combine the two?

DDT
04-21-2009, 10:51 PM
NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex..Who says you can't combine the two?

Well... a suppressor might keep the noise down.

hoffmang
04-21-2009, 10:53 PM
Who says you can't combine the two?

I want to watch you try the pick up line...

-Gene

DDT
04-21-2009, 10:54 PM
I want to watch you try the pick up line...

-Gene

"Hey baby, you know where I wanna put my SBR? It's fully automatic!"

andrewj
04-21-2009, 11:11 PM
Originally Posted by GaffSD

We just need to ditch our Bullet Buttons and get our Hi-caps back...

Respectfully,

Ron

I just await the day I can utilize a standard mag release

Mulay El Raisuli
04-22-2009, 8:00 AM
Since the 9th Circuit "abrogated" its decision in Hickman v. Block, does that mean Hickman won and can now go pick up his CCW from Baca?

Are there any Loaded Gun convictions that had their 2nd Amendment appeals tossed out due to Hickman?
What happens to their cases/convictions/PC12031?


Real good questions. As noted elsewhere, nothing is automatic, but I can see challenges being successful.

Hickman would have to re-apply.

My understanding of Const. law is that once a law is struck down as unconstitutional, all convictions under that law are void. Again, nothing is automatic. A request for review must be made. An example of this is MIRANDA. All those convicted w/o having a lawyer before the Decision, & who requested review, got reversals.

As for 12031 I can see a challenge being successful. IMHO, this is THE important issue to be decided. While doing away with laws regarding BBs, OLLs, 'evil features' & the like matter, what matters most is getting something into our hands & getting it here ASAP.

All I can do is hope that the Right People think so also.

The Raisuli

5968
04-22-2009, 8:35 AM
Who says you can't combine the two?

I don't know, but I just got a new sig line.:)

CHS
04-22-2009, 9:02 AM
4) Hi-cap mag ban is held to be constitutional by the SCOTUS. AW ban is held unconstitutional by the SCOTUS because it bans the AR-15 and other popular firearms that are in common use and are therefore not "dangerous and unusual". CA responds by permitting AW's to be registered.

5) 50 bmg ban is declared constitutional by the SCOTUS because 50 bmg rifles are not in common use by the public and are "dangerous and unusual".

You're thinking too specifically.

First off, there are many reasons that the ban on large-capacity magazines is unconstitutional. It's arbitrary and capricious, which the Supreme Court said is bad. They are also EXTREMELY common (I would say probably more common than 10 or less mags).

We're not going to get AR15's back because AR15's are popular firearms. We're going to get them back along with AK's and every other rifle with features in CA because a semi-automatic firearm is the single most popular kind of firearm on the planet. AR15's are absolutely no different than semi-automatic hunting rifles (to take a play from the other side), therefore banning them is arbitrary and capricious.

Can we ban the SCAR because it's not popular and few are out there? No, of course not. It's simply yet another semi-automatic hunting rifle in an ugly configuration. But since semi-automatics are popular, we cannot ban them.

For these reasons we get the .50bmg back in CA. Bolt-action and semi-automatic rifles are extremely popular, and the ban is arbitrary and capricious. The .50bmg ban does not ban the firearm based on caliber or power, it bans it based on specific cartridge dimensions that only apply to one single cartridge that has a bad name. .510DTC is in almost all ways identical to .50BMG, but it is legal. More proof that the ban is arbitrary.

The .50bmg, large-cap magazine, and "Assault weapon" bans cannot stand as there are too many "arbitrary and capricious" holes in them that cannot easily be plugged by an anti-gun legislature.

DDT
04-22-2009, 10:25 AM
You are correct. Alas, someone will have to expend the time and money to hire a skilled attorney (who is quite busy right now) and file suits to get each of these reversed.

Theseus
04-22-2009, 10:59 AM
Darn it. . . I had a good one, but in the interest of not being killed by Bruce I have removed it. . . Maybe you all could read my mind. . . 626.9. . . No more. . .

Roadrunner
04-22-2009, 11:15 AM
All,

Not trying to get in to a technical discussion, but I honestly don't think that NFA weapons are a big deal...

The military is getting away from full-auto anyhow. When I was a .50 and 25mm gunner, they trained us to use 3-5 round bursts MAX, and I can do that with an OLL.

Take the gun laws in Arizona, for example, and you can build a perfectly legal militia that ANY army would consider a threat.

We just need to ditch our Bullet Buttons and get our Hi-caps back...

Respectfully,

Ron

It's funny that you should mention that, Ted Nugent brought that up on NRA News last Monday. He compared FA fire in the North Hollywood Bank robbery where no one was killed, to the D.C. sniper incident where 12 rounds were fired with a semiauto and 11 people were killed.

In the Air Force I learned to fire one round at a time from an M60 machinegun. Short bursts are the best way to use a machinegun. Long bursts are a waste of ammo.

wolf13
04-22-2009, 11:23 AM
FA auto isn't the only thing regulated though, and I think some things are more attackable.

IGOTDIRT4U
04-22-2009, 11:28 AM
It's funny that you should mention that, Ted Nugent brought that up on NRA News last Monday. He compared FA fire in the North Hollywood Bank robbery where no one was killed, to the D.C. sniper incident where 12 rounds were fired with a semiauto and 11 people were killed.

In the Air Force I learned to fire one round at a time from an M60 machinegun. Short bursts are the best way to use a machinegun. Long bursts are a waste of ammo.

Wasn't there a Filipino USPS worker killed in his postal truck that day by the bank gunmen? Though I bet it was due to a handgun round over an FA hit.

Roadrunner
04-22-2009, 11:34 AM
Wasn't there a Filipino USPS worker killed in his postal truck that day by the bank gunmen? Though I bet it was due to a handgun round over an FA hit.

No, I think that we're talking about two separate incidents. I believe the postal worker was killed by some racist that was partial to Arians.

CHS
04-22-2009, 11:37 AM
Long bursts are a waste of ammo.

But so much fun :)

Publius
04-22-2009, 11:49 AM
No, I think that we're talking about two separate incidents. I believe the postal worker was killed by some racist that was partial to Arians.

Those darn Arians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism)! Jesus is of one substance with the Father! ;) :p

ilbob
04-22-2009, 12:00 PM
One out of a hundred times you will win big time though :)

I used to work with a guy who would proposition girls in bars within a few seconds of meeting them. He said most of the time it did not work, and he got a few slaps, but he said it was surprisingly effective if you did not mind being rejected a few dozen times before you got lucky.

Flopper
04-22-2009, 12:20 PM
FA auto isn't the only thing regulated though, and I think some things are more attackable.

i'd much rather be able to have a suppressor or an SBR than FA.

CHS
04-22-2009, 12:22 PM
Those darn Arians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arianism)! Jesus is of one substance with the Father! ;) :p

I *THINK* he meant Aryans ;)

Theseus
04-22-2009, 12:58 PM
FA, in my experience is to provide suppressive fire and is not useful for much else other than large groups of zombies or other combatants.

Give me a semi-auto, hi-cap, no BB and I will be just fine.

elenius
04-22-2009, 1:09 PM
FA, in my experience is to provide suppressive fire and is not useful for much else other than large groups of zombies or other combatants.

Give me a semi-auto, hi-cap, no BB and I will be just fine.

We may need to lay down suppressive fire to delay the terrorists until the regular forces arrive, Justice Gould-style :43:

yellowfin
04-22-2009, 1:41 PM
FA, in my experience is to provide suppressive fire and is not useful for much else other than large groups of zombies or other combatants. Suppressive fire is very handy in overcoming 2 or 3 on 1 or more scenarios. Not farfetched at all in dealing with home invasions, store robberies, maritime attacks (e.g. unintentional encounters with drug runners), and a few other not-as-uncommon-as-we'd-like-to-think situations. Also a reason FA is used by LE--they sure seem insistent upon having it for something that we're told is useless-- is that putting multiple shots on target fast is for putting down threats more quickly when it's important (When is it not?) to keep them from closing distances to attack.

CHS
04-22-2009, 1:44 PM
FA, in my experience is to provide suppressive fire and is not useful for much else other than large groups of zombies or other combatants.

Give me a semi-auto, hi-cap, no BB and I will be just fine.

You sound like those hunters.

"I don't need no newfangled black rifle. I just want my hunting rifle."

I want most of my guns to have the option of FA. Useful? Yes. To piss off anti-gunners. Oh, it's also my right. Silly constitution...

Gator Monroe
04-22-2009, 1:50 PM
The Left will parade a whole host of smoke & mirror Dem/Lib 2A supporters & long time NRA members who re for a renewed AWB and magazine limits & such and they will recieve vast coverage in Media (Over Real 2A supporters and Firearm enthusiasists) and their take will be gospel and any other take will be limited and quashed ! and I would not be shocked if some of the Lib/dem POSTERS HERE BUY INTO IT !

lioneaglegriffin
04-22-2009, 2:07 PM
The Left will parade a whole host of smoke & mirror Dem/Lib 2A supporters & long time NRA members who re for a renewed AWB and magazine limits & such and they will recieve vast coverage in Media (Over Real 2A supporters and Firearm enthusiasists) and their take will be gospel and any other take will be limited and quashed ! and I would not be shocked if some of the Lib/dem POSTERS HERE BUY INTO IT !

you really like predicting doomsday scenario's? you should be a novelist you might make a lot of money.

sholling
04-22-2009, 2:35 PM
NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...You're obviously a young'en because back in the 70s you'd have had a 50:50 chance she'd have responded "your place or mine?" :thumbsup:

Mulay El Raisuli
04-23-2009, 5:54 AM
I used to work with a guy who would proposition girls in bars within a few seconds of meeting them. He said most of the time it did not work, and he got a few slaps, but he said it was surprisingly effective if you did not mind being rejected a few dozen times before you got lucky.


The novel (and the movie) M*A*S*H had a character named "Melay." So called because he would ask every woman he met, "Me lay, you lay?" The comment from Hawkeye was that even if he only scored one time in a hundred, he still got as much action as anyone else because he asked literally every woman he met.

The Raisuli

Theseus
04-23-2009, 8:45 AM
You get me wrong, I didn't say they are useless or that I won't fight for them, I was more making the statement that my preference, in most cases, is a semi-auto.

I fight for all firearms and other arms. Just like any tool they each have their special and useful purposes.


You sound like those hunters.

"I don't need no newfangled black rifle. I just want my hunting rifle."

I want most of my guns to have the option of FA. Useful? Yes. To piss off anti-gunners. Oh, it's also my right. Silly constitution...

timdps
05-05-2009, 3:26 PM
We may need to lay down suppressive fire to delay the terrorists until the regular forces arrive, Justice Gould-style :43:

Sorry guys, could not help it....

Justice Gould, the original Wolverine. "Wolverines!!!!!"

kermit315
06-08-2009, 4:54 PM
NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...


-Gene

going in my sig line.

thayne
07-16-2010, 12:58 AM
NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...


-Gene
Ok, so you're saying its definitely possible :chris:

sfwdiy
07-16-2010, 1:40 AM
This thread is so old Gator posted in it. Hilarious.

Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...

And I still haven't figured out what Gene meant by this. That's my "A" game right there, works every time. :p

--B

dantodd
07-16-2010, 1:45 AM
NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...


But I thought Toobin was anti-gun.

unusedusername
07-16-2010, 1:47 AM
http://www.goodewoods.com/pix/misc/HolyNecropostingBatman.jpg

dantodd
07-16-2010, 1:55 AM
http://www.goodewoods.com/pix/misc/HolyNecropostingBatman.jpg

Yes, but it was soooo apropos.

glbtrottr
07-16-2010, 6:38 AM
NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...

-Gene

Gene, you said that like it was a bad thing. Isn't that the way you and Alan Gura pick up *all* women? Chatting it up and avoiding the topic is like following some sort of Due Process, while simply talking about it is much more like a fundamental right.

I thought you advocated putting it *all* out there - I mean, being tentative about your true intentions and desires is akin to accepting the liberal frame that since some people may not like guns, we shouldn't even talk about them in polite company...lest we risk being socially rejected...and I know Gene, Alan and the crew could never be like that. :)

dantodd
07-16-2010, 7:53 AM
Gene, you said that like it was a bad thing. Isn't that the way you and Alan Gura pick up *all* women? Chatting it up and avoiding the topic is like following some sort of Due Process, while simply talking about it is much more like a fundamental right.

I thought you advocated putting it *all* out there - I mean, being tentative about your true intentions and desires is akin to accepting the liberal frame that since some people may not like guns, we shouldn't even talk about them in polite company...lest we risk being socially rejected...and I know Gene, Alan and the crew could never be like that. :)

nope, it's all about reverse incrementalism. Hopefully there is just aa little less time between the increments this direction.

trashman
07-16-2010, 10:52 AM
This thread is so old Gator posted in it. Hilarious.


Quoted for truth....

--Neill

thayne
07-16-2010, 11:20 AM
I couldnt resist replying to Hoffmangs comment :43:

timdps
07-16-2010, 12:15 PM
Yeah, its a necro post, but...


I see the next step as a 5 pronged operation.

Sort of a "fork you" maneuver?

Rossi357
07-16-2010, 1:43 PM
NFA is a long ways off as well it should be. Going after the NFA soon is like asking the girl you just met in the bar if she's into anal sex...

Handguns have the most protection right now so you're going to see things move from handguns out. Don't worry though, the end of the AW laws are very near and dear to many hearts here.

-Gene

A girl in a bar once asked me if I was into oral sex. I thought it odd that she would ask a question when she already knew the answer.

Rossi357
07-16-2010, 1:45 PM
You need to come hang out at my bar....;)

Don't be a tease, give us the address.

REH
07-16-2010, 2:01 PM
The list needs to be the first to go. Deny DOJ their extortion fees and make some nice stuff available.

Fjold
07-16-2010, 5:24 PM
5) 50 bmg ban is declared constitutional by the SCOTUS because 50 bmg rifles are not in common use by the public and are "dangerous and unusual".



I don't understand this.

How is a 50 BMG more "dangerous and unusual" than a 416 Barrett or a 500 Holland and Holland?

I guaranty that there are a lot more 50 BMGs in civilian hands than there are 416 Barrets or 500 H&Hs and yet I can buy either of these guns anywhere in the US.

FirstFlight
07-17-2010, 3:35 PM
forget nordyke... after reading this thread i think i need to go bar hopping with some fellow cal gunners!

I like it...I like it!

Vox
07-17-2010, 4:39 PM
FA, in my experience is to provide suppressive fire and is not useful for much else other than large groups of zombies or other combatants.

Give me a semi-auto, hi-cap, no BB and I will be just fine.

nah you want a semi-auto for zombies, ghouls don't die unless you get a headshot and FA just isn't what you'd want for that...


I take Zombie preparedness seriously.

vantec08
07-17-2010, 8:04 PM
We have four of of nine Vestal Virgins on the Potomac, thats nearly half, that cant even find "fundamental right" of the 2nd. I dont expect much more from them, espcially with cases involving states guns regulations.