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Richy
04-18-2009, 11:51 AM
THIS GROUP BUY IS CLOSED

Teeznutz
04-18-2009, 12:03 PM
ems

josh4mc
04-18-2009, 12:03 PM
Richy "Prices aren't posted because they are well below M.A.P.
Email for pricing, thanks."

Richy
04-18-2009, 12:07 PM
Can we email you for pricing?

Yes please :)

josh4mc
04-18-2009, 12:16 PM
Any recommendations to go on a M4 carbine?

0-200 yrd usage.

Nessal
04-18-2009, 1:08 PM
Quote please! Especially on a 511! Also can you get magnifiers?

mquejr
04-18-2009, 2:36 PM
email sent

shookatash
04-18-2009, 3:16 PM
email sent

AlliedArmory
04-18-2009, 3:56 PM
nice!

mcclungmh
04-18-2009, 3:59 PM
email sent

REDHORSE
04-18-2009, 4:03 PM
email sent

NoSmoke
04-18-2009, 9:30 PM
Any recommendations to go on a M4 carbine?

0-200 yrd usage.

I use a 516 on mine...

safety_off
04-18-2009, 10:18 PM
Email sent.

Justintoxicated
04-18-2009, 10:55 PM
Email sent

leechieh
04-18-2009, 11:11 PM
bump

FLS9497
04-18-2009, 11:17 PM
Email sent. Thank you!

jipham
04-19-2009, 10:02 AM
bump

CrackedShot
04-19-2009, 11:06 AM
Email sent. Thanks!

RangemasterP226
04-19-2009, 11:09 AM
Email sent!

steel-cut
04-19-2009, 12:03 PM
email inbound

josh4mc
04-19-2009, 12:04 PM
I use a 516 on mine...

Thanks NoSmoke! Checking the 516 out now.

Richy
04-19-2009, 1:36 PM
EMAIL ONLY.
DO NOT SEND ME A PM, I WILL NOT REPLY.


Some of you still aren't reading.

jaspy
04-19-2009, 3:34 PM
bumpity bump

SiegeX
04-19-2009, 9:13 PM
I just noticed Richy is banned. Is this some sort of scam or did he break some sort of forum rule(s)?

Justintoxicated
04-19-2009, 9:24 PM
he will be back in a few days

brokestudent12
04-19-2009, 9:30 PM
he will be back in a few days

He emailed me too.
He got a few days off for being rude he said.

If anyone needs him just email him

unamused
04-20-2009, 9:58 AM
emailed!

sofine
04-20-2009, 2:30 PM
Emailed - thanks

unamused
04-20-2009, 6:29 PM
sorry, im a newb but how do we know its a legit deal?

Although its a good deal... its a lot of money to be sending someone that is banned :eek:

leechieh
04-20-2009, 7:35 PM
Bump

salvajeuno
04-20-2009, 9:21 PM
emailed.
awesome deal!

brokestudent12
04-20-2009, 9:34 PM
sorry, im a newb but how do we know its a legit deal?

Although its a good deal... its a lot of money to be sending someone that is banned :eek:

He's not accepting any money from anyone right now, and he'll be unbanned in a couple days anyways.

brokestudent12
04-20-2009, 9:34 PM
I have a quick question for you guys, do you guys know if I should stick with another 516 or get a 557 to go with a g23 fts? It's going on top of a AR15?

Exposed
04-20-2009, 9:55 PM
I have a quick question for you guys, do you guys know if I should stick with another 516 or get a 557 to go with a g23 fts? It's going on top of a AR15?
I dont know, but I have a 517, which is just a slightly cheaper model from the 516 coming from the first group buy. Richy has done a great job keeping in touch through email and my 517 should be arriving on may 11th. If you already have a 516, I say you try something new. I have a 552 on my first build, and this 517 is for my second build just to have something different.

CrackedShot
04-21-2009, 3:24 PM
Bump for some really good prices!

leechieh
04-21-2009, 10:57 PM
Uppity Up

chefdude
04-22-2009, 1:29 AM
email sent for a 512

brokestudent12
04-23-2009, 10:52 PM
Ok I think I'll be going with the 557, opinions?

Justintoxicated
04-24-2009, 11:13 AM
Richy you still banned?

RobRyan
04-24-2009, 3:41 PM
Any recomendation for a M1A SOCOM 2

Hooahken
04-24-2009, 6:02 PM
Please send pricing, Thanks for the effort.

brokestudent12
04-24-2009, 7:17 PM
Anyone? 557 pros/cons?

NorCal MedTac
04-24-2009, 7:31 PM
I would love to see the pricing too.

Richy
04-24-2009, 8:50 PM
I'm back ladies and gents, fear not :)

kalalp
04-25-2009, 8:13 AM
email sent

brokestudent12
04-25-2009, 9:41 AM
Someone has got to have a 557, please

Richy
04-25-2009, 10:34 AM
Alright guys it's on, I think we might have enough people for another group buy, I'm not ordering as many for myself as I did last time so hopefully we can get enough people.

jim0352
04-25-2009, 2:02 PM
Email sent. Thanks

Richy
04-26-2009, 10:57 AM
Shot off emails to everyone, we'll see if anyone responds.

GunSmoke
04-26-2009, 12:32 PM
im still trying to figure out the differences in between some models. Their website isnt much help either

smp89
04-26-2009, 8:01 PM
my email is being sent now.

ryno66
04-26-2009, 8:15 PM
557 is good with a lower top rail. It sits a little taller than most. Some people complain that the BDC is too busy w/o magnification. With a 3x magnifier behind it it is clear, w/o I think it is still fine yet some disagree. Also has NV capibilities.

MR.R
04-26-2009, 9:49 PM
email sent

Justintoxicated
04-26-2009, 10:24 PM
when do we send payments?

silver2k2
04-27-2009, 7:31 AM
Email sent

Richy
04-27-2009, 9:58 AM
when do we send payments?

Payments need to be received by the first so that the order can be placed by Monday, thanks!

flyingdrp
04-27-2009, 8:35 PM
Thanks Richy btt

Justintoxicated
04-27-2009, 8:42 PM
Payment sent

Richy
04-28-2009, 1:49 PM
Alrighty guys, looks like we are on the way, thanks everyone.

Richy
04-28-2009, 2:10 PM
EMAIL ONLY.
DO NOT SEND ME A PM, I WILL NOT REPLY.


Come on guys, I'm still getting PM's on this, really?

I really don't know how to make it stand out any more than it already does in the first post of this thread.

MrPlutonium
04-29-2009, 12:01 PM
Bump

Richy
04-30-2009, 9:47 AM
It's about that time.

josh4mc
04-30-2009, 11:13 AM
I sent you an email for a few pricings but did not get a responce................. I can still over night you a money order....

Richy
04-30-2009, 12:52 PM
I sent you an email for a few pricings but did not get a responce................. I can still over night you a money order....

I don't see anything in my junk mail folder, please resend? Thanks.

Also no need to overnight, I don't want anyone accruing additional unnecessary costs.

krim
04-30-2009, 4:06 PM
email inbound.

Richy
05-03-2009, 5:29 PM
Everyone updated today, thanks everyone!

natasha69
05-03-2009, 6:51 PM
is this still open? first page shows due date of 05/01. i just saw this and it looks like a great group buy. please let me know if this is still open or if it has closed.

thx.

Richy
05-04-2009, 2:20 PM
is this still open? first page shows due date of 05/01. i just saw this and it looks like a great group buy. please let me know if this is still open or if it has closed.

thx.

Order for this group buy has been placed today and waiting on confirmation.
Thanks everyone.

natasha - I have a few other people interested that missed out on the deadline for this one, if I can get another group together I don't have a problem putting in another group buy.

Justintoxicated
05-05-2009, 8:18 PM
Any Estimate on when these will be shipping?

Richy
05-05-2009, 8:24 PM
Calling tomorrow, didn't receive any email confirmation on it today.

Justintoxicated
05-10-2009, 12:05 PM
any updates?

flyingdrp
05-10-2009, 10:06 PM
Inquiring minds want to know

krim
05-12-2009, 3:44 PM
are they still saying 7/13?

Justintoxicated
05-12-2009, 3:46 PM
are they still saying 7/13?

What!? if thats the case anyway I can get a refund?

Justintoxicated
05-15-2009, 10:55 AM
ttt

flyingdrp
05-15-2009, 10:33 PM
Has anybody heard from Richy? I sent him a PM requesting he update us on our status.
RP:confused:

Richy
05-15-2009, 10:57 PM
Has anybody heard from Richy? I sent him a PM requesting he update us on our status.
RP:confused:

What I can't have 14 hours off to work my real job? :eek::p

Just getting home now, everyone was sent my last email update, as of right now the response I got was "You will be notified when they ship". I haven't called yet, I'll work it in Monday and call over to clarify.

Just got the first batch of Eotechs in from the first group buy, emails will go out tomorrow to you guys not tonight, I'm calling it a night shortly.

flyingdrp
05-16-2009, 1:42 PM
Thanks Richy
RP

L8Apex619
05-18-2009, 1:06 PM
Update bump...


Are we still looking all the way out to mid-July for the 1st shipment?

Justintoxicated
05-21-2009, 3:36 PM
any updates?

Richy
05-21-2009, 3:40 PM
Yes, mid July stands unfortunately. Of course I was told they were only "estimated" ship dates :rolleyes:

Receiving optics from first group buy, all shipped out and tracking numbers emailed to everyone.

Justintoxicated
05-21-2009, 10:43 PM
If someone wants mine I'll sell it to them. I paid the the 516 in this groupbuy... I can't wait till mid July so I picked up one for in the meantime. I won't be needing this at all.

Justintoxicated
05-29-2009, 12:03 AM
Anyone get theirs yet? Was I part of the First Group buy?

L8Apex619
06-13-2009, 9:05 PM
Bump for the umpdate...

What's the word Richy? :confused: I know you got several other group buys in the works, but can you throw EOTech another call to push for a delivery update - maybe something closer to the original 30d estimate?

After all, the squeaky wheel gets the grease...

natasha69
06-13-2009, 11:58 PM
opticsplanet hasn't even seen theirs yet. doubtful a group buy would see theirs before them...

Justintoxicated
07-08-2009, 10:11 PM
Richy, hope all is well... Any updates? It's July!

Justintoxicated
07-13-2009, 5:52 PM
Hey Richy, I hope things are going better for you lately. I know you have stuff going on and maybe I'm an jerk for bring this thread up again. But honestly I'd like an update. It's the 13th! Did it ship?

Richy
07-13-2009, 7:21 PM
Hey there I would like to first thank everyone that has actually emailed me for communications as I requested since I stated that I would not be able to update this thread. Everyone that did so was replied to within 24 hours.

So again, thank you.

Now for updates requested (not by email, as requested), as stated previously EOTech only sends out notification after they have shipped out.

There is no need to keep asking for updates, because I will have none until I am notified. As with the last group buy AS SOON AS I RECEIVE THE TRACKING FROM EOTECH I NOTIFY EVERYONE WITHIN 24 HOURS. Once they land, I've gotten them all out again, in 24 hours.

I'm sorry for the delay but it's not something that I control.

Justintoxicated
07-14-2009, 7:54 AM
Ok, but you stopped answering my emails....

Justintoxicated
07-26-2009, 12:50 PM
Any updates I honestly need this now or need a refund. Since I just got laid off work this is going to put food on my plate for a month. You don't seem to respond to my emails...

Richy
07-29-2009, 11:18 AM
UPS man stopped by today with 516's and 557's :D

Everyone has been emailed to confirm shipping info :D

L8Apex619
07-29-2009, 7:50 PM
I guess this is good news, in a way... What about the 512's?

L8Apex619
07-31-2009, 10:11 AM
So as I am yet to hear anything definitive regarding the 512's - by email or otherwise (there has been no follow-up after the email I received on Tuesday saying you would call them on Wednesday) - I once again ask:


What is the status of the 512's?

Justintoxicated
08-01-2009, 5:26 PM
Richy received my 516 today! It's currently for sale at group buy price in the firearm parts and accessories forum for anyone who wants the group buy price without the wait!

L8Apex619
08-02-2009, 6:40 PM
Bump for update.... Bumpdate? :confused:

L8Apex619
08-08-2009, 9:16 AM
No word, not a single one, by email or otherwise, for a WEEK AND A HALF.

No response to any of my last several emails. Richy - if you had responded any time in the last 10 days, good, bad, or indifferent, I wouldn't be posting this in a public forum.

I've been extremely patient, all things considered, and but this most recent lack of responsiveness and professionalism is increasingly frustrating.

Originally promised in "30 days," it has now been more than three months since you received my money, over two months since the originally promised delivery date, and nearly a full month since the revised delivery date. As this scheduled buy & delivery falls further and further (i.e., "underdelivered") from the promised delivery date (i.e., "overpromised"), your responsiveness should increase, not decrease.

I get that fecal matter happens. But when you avoid responding to your "customers," so do perceptions. :mad:



Has ANYONE heard from Richy??? He hasn't even logged in since July 29th.

Any other 512 customers feeling shafted at this point?

grunz
08-10-2009, 9:58 AM
Richy,

Please check your email.

Paul-K
08-10-2009, 7:45 PM
Has anyone received their 516? Just curious.

L8Apex619
08-10-2009, 9:01 PM
Has anyone received their 516? Just curious.

I haven't received my 512 or so much as a single email from Richy - including the follow-up he promised me almost two weeks ago back on the 29th - the last time he logged in...

:mad:

krim
08-11-2009, 4:40 AM
Has anyone received their 516? Just curious.

yes.

L8Apex619
08-11-2009, 8:27 AM
Today marks two weeks since I last heard from Richy.

No email, no EOTech, no update, no response.

grunz
08-11-2009, 11:33 AM
Ok, Richy just got back to me today. We'll see. :)

dakobster81
08-11-2009, 11:55 AM
wow, lots of group buys are going bad these days, I feel for you guys, hope you get your money back, I guess we can all learn not to do group buys.

Paul-K
08-11-2009, 1:20 PM
yes.

Can you tell tell me when, and what city/state you're in?

ptdog
08-11-2009, 1:38 PM
I was watching this thread from the beginning and I knew this would turn sour for lots of people. I was hoping for a positive experience to maybe someday get in on something. What I have learned from watching this is that groups buys are not worth it and problematic.

Paul-K
08-12-2009, 6:38 AM
As an update, I want to let folks know that after a stern email, my 516 has now been shipped and will be here tomorrow according to the USPS website.

In spite of the fact that Richy clearly said that he wants folks to email him rather than expect him to post updates here, and keeping in mind that he has no control over Eotech shipping schedules, I think that he tends to forget that those of us who have sent him money get very nervous when we don't get timely responses to our emails to him. This is especially true in these current economic times, where "scams" are more prevalent.

I've encouraged him to post and general update here.

Maybe a weekly email blast to the list of purchasers with an update, even if it says nothing more "Nothing new" or whatever might help?

L8Apex619
08-12-2009, 9:39 AM
In spite of the fact that Richy clearly said that he wants folks to email him rather than expect him to post updates here, and keeping in mind that he has no control over Eotech shipping schedules, I think that he tends to forget that those of us who have sent him money get very nervous when we don't get timely responses to our emails to him. This is especially true in these current economic times, where "scams" are more prevalent.

I've encouraged him to post and general update here.

Maybe a weekly email blast to the list of purchasers with an update, even if it says nothing more "Nothing new" or whatever might help?



You hit the nail on the head...

When he chooses to neglect responding to emails - especially after two weeks and especially in light of a promised follow-up - it does not reflect well on the vendor/group-buy coordinator.

It's gotten to the point where it almost feels punitive - as if he's intentionally ignoring my emails and choosing NOT to respond as some type of counterproductive punishment for my very reasonable requests. Maybe he felt he could or can get away with such treatment because I was a noob at the time of the group buy?

BTW, I don't buy for a second that it's somehow magically more convenient to respond to a whole mess of individual emails than it is to keep a centralized repository of information and updates as he very easily could in the thread.

A simple new post referencing an edited update in the OP would be more convenient for both him and us... which only further fuels my questions, suspicions, and doubt.

I have few pet peeves in life. One of my worst "professional" pet peeves is when someone over-promises and under-delivers. Another is when one avoids accountability by skating on their commitments. Richy is batting 2-for-2.


*****


Given it has now been THREE AND A HALF MONTHS since I sent Richy my money in good faith, TWO AND A HALF MONTHS since the originally-promised delivery date, a FULL MONTH since the revised delivery date, and TWO WEEKS since Richy last emailed me - despite his (empty) promise to follow-up with me, my patience has now run dry.

Am I asking him to deliver the Golden Goose?

Hardly.

But I do expect one of three responses, and I expect it yesterday...

1. A follow-up as promised. I don't give a damn if he has "no control" over EOTech's delivery schedule. You get on the damn phone and ASK them. You get on the damn phone and BUG them. You do this because you owe it to the good people who sent YOU money on good faith. You do it because you represented yourself in a professional capacity and are thus expected to act accordingly.

(note: It's an email Richy, not a Ferrari. It's really an easy actiopn item on which you can deliver. It's also an easy technology to master, and from your established history of sending emails, I'm pretty sure you know how to use it.)

2. A delivery on your end of the bargain, i.e., the prompt shipment of the products for which we have paid.

3. A return - in full - of the money sent to you in good faith and on the promised delivery of the items you are on the hook for.

:mad:

Richy could have avoided all this uncertainty, angst, and suspicion simply by following up on his promise, and by more proactively responding to our requests for updates. He has no one to blame but himself for dropping the ball on all of the above.

L8Apex619
08-12-2009, 12:17 PM
Finally a response from Richy, which I will summarize below for everyone waiting on their EOTech:

1. 512's and XPS' will be in production NEXT month.

2. Currently in production are the G23 FTS', 552's and 556's.


Do I at least feel reassured about the legitimacy of the group buy? Yep.

Can I wait another month? Sure (albeit it somewhat begrudgingly).

Should I have had to wait two weeks for this simple update and receive it only after a fourth - and rather terse - email? A resounding no. Requesting and receiving updates should not feel like I'm pulling teeth. :chris:

To his credit, he did offer me a refund if I so choose. And if I can locate what I had ordered and find one priced in the same general ballpark, I may do just that...

high_revs
08-12-2009, 7:26 PM
wow, lots of group buys are going bad these days, I feel for you guys, hope you get your money back, I guess we can all learn not to do group buys.\

have some confidence in Richy. he'll pull thru. pretty confident in it. He did for the group buy before this one for my 556 and there were some delays. if eotech is not communicating, what different updates can he give? i was pretty patient with mine. ok, maybe i emailed him once but i can't recall if i heard back or not (pretty sure i heard back) but i did see his updates on his group guy thread. mine was about 1 month or 6 weeks delayed too. for the discount i got on my 556, i'd wait. heck, i've been waiting for some RRA uppers much longer than i did for the optics (not including some ar10 platform uppers too! and ar10 lpks! etc. etc.) have faith guys (whomever is still waiting). i hear ya/others on the communications thing. i give the folks the benefit of the doubt as they themselves are probably not the dealers and are setting this up (some that is) for the benefit of many and no kick backs to them. same goes for the group buy i participate on motorcycle stuff, just so share the discount wealth around and the group buy contact/setup man/woman just gets a discount like everyone else too, nothing more.

now if he'll just email me back later this fall about that stock he was thinking of selling to me. :p LOL j/k (but i did email ya Richy!).

flyingdrp
08-26-2009, 11:10 PM
Anybody have another way to get ahold of Richy? I've emailed him three times and haven't received a response. PM's appreciated.
RP

tenbrook
08-27-2009, 6:10 AM
Finally a response from Richy, which I will summarize below for everyone waiting on their EOTech:

1. 512's and XPS' will be in production NEXT month.

2. Currently in production are the G23 FTS', 552's and 556's.


Do I at least feel reassured about the legitimacy of the group buy? Yep.

Can I wait another month? Sure (albeit it somewhat begrudgingly).

Should I have had to wait two weeks for this simple update and receive it only after a fourth - and rather terse - email? A resounding no. Requesting and receiving updates should not feel like I'm pulling teeth. :chris:

To his credit, he did offer me a refund if I so choose. And if I can locate what I had ordered and find one priced in the same general ballpark, I may do just that...


I don't know if this helps but the info he gave you seems to be false. The XPS-2-0's are shipping now (the XPS-2-2's and all the XPS-3's are at least another month or two out) The G23 FTS's are also 2-3 months out.

How do I know this? I am an EOTech dealer with all of these items on order (placed my order 4 months ago and just received my XPS-2-0's) I also just got off the phone with EOTech.

In this guys defence. EoTech told me when I ordered my XPS's and G23 FTS's 4 months ago I would have them in a month or less. Obviously they are having some production issues. Either way though having no communication with you guys is LAME! Sorry it turned out this way for you all.

I would like to extend an offer to all of you who have gotten burned. If you can get a refund and still want an EOTech I will get you one at the same price this guy was doing. This is ONLY for those of you who got burned as a result of this thread.....its a PITA for me, I just want to help if I can? Send me a PM.

Tenbrook

grunz
08-27-2009, 8:46 AM
No word from Richy this week on something that was promised to be done last Thursday.....

L8Apex619
08-27-2009, 9:15 AM
Richy told me on August 12th he would be willing to refund my money.

I emailed him on the 16th - 11 days ago - requesting my refund.

In what I can only describe as what I've come to expect from the guy, it took four emails before I finally got a one-line response last week - "I'll send it next week."

Well, it's almost the end of next week, and I am yet to get my refund as promised.

For that matter, I haven't got one damn response from the emails (another four) I have sent him this week.

This pisses the hell out of me in about twelve different ways.

You see, when it was time for me to send him money, out of courtesy and respect, I did so directly. He said, "before May 1," and he had my USPS money order in hand by April 30. I should receive the same respect and courtesy in return.

However, I have been asking for MY money back for 11 days now. And all Richy is serving up is a big steaming hot cup of FAIL.

I need that money for expense money for a business trip next week, Richy. I really rather not put several hundred dollars of expenses on a credit card where I am charged a 25% APR... not when you promised to refund the money I sent you FOUR MONTHS AGO. :mad:

Given he lives about 2 hours from me, two freakin' weeks seems like adequate notice to mail something it takes the post office all of one day to deliver.




For %#@&'s sake Richy, at least give me the chance to say, "he honored his word." Even mailing me MY money today would allow me to end this transaction on a high note.

Caeser2001
08-27-2009, 2:19 PM
email sent

flyingdrp
08-27-2009, 8:35 PM
Does anybody have a phone # or address. I know he is close by me cuz I met FTF and gave him CA$H.
RP

L8Apex619
08-27-2009, 9:51 PM
Does anybody have a phone # or address. I know he is close by me cuz I met FTF and gave him CA$H.
RP


Ditto on that request.

Another day gone by, still no refund, and still not a damn word from Richy. :mad:


I don't know if this helps but the info he gave you seems to be false. The XPS-2-0's are shipping now (the XPS-2-2's and all the XPS-3's are at least another month or two out) The G23 FTS's are also 2-3 months out.

How do I know this? I am an EOTech dealer with all of these items on order (placed my order 4 months ago and just received my XPS-2-0's) I also just got off the phone with EOTech.


Thanks for the info, tenbrook. Just goes to show how easy it is to get ahold of EOTech and pass on information... BTW, that offer is too cool and well above and beyond.

Alexthewelder
08-27-2009, 10:34 PM
Just look up people on his itrader rating and get in touch with them. Maybe they too met ftf & have a number for him

Dr. Peter Venkman
08-28-2009, 12:58 PM
You guys can PM me for his phone number and address. I won't make that public.

evollep3
08-28-2009, 2:15 PM
I don't know if this helps but the info he gave you seems to be false. The XPS-2-0's are shipping now (the XPS-2-2's and all the XPS-3's are at least another month or two out) The G23 FTS's are also 2-3 months out.

How do I know this? I am an EOTech dealer with all of these items on order (placed my order 4 months ago and just received my XPS-2-0's) I also just got off the phone with EOTech.

In this guys defence. EoTech told me when I ordered my XPS's and G23 FTS's 4 months ago I would have them in a month or less. Obviously they are having some production issues. Either way though having no communication with you guys is LAME! Sorry it turned out this way for you all.

I would like to extend an offer to all of you who have gotten burned. If you can get a refund and still want an EOTech I will get you one at the same price this guy was doing. This is ONLY for those of you who got burned as a result of this thread.....its a PITA for me, I just want to help if I can? Send me a PM.

Tenbrook
I Vouch this too i am distributor status with them and the XPS3.0 i ordered was even further out then him and i have still yet to get them or the g23 but Ten is luckiler i have even yet to get a phone call back or email out of the numerous emails and Vm i left :(

evollep3
08-28-2009, 2:18 PM
one more thing richy didnt do this for profit either trust me i know all he was trying to do was help him self get good deals for parts him self. plus if anyone have a really close family member pass away its really tough.

L8Apex619
08-28-2009, 5:49 PM
one more thing richy didnt do this for profit either trust me i know all he was trying to do was help him self get good deals for parts him self. plus if anyone have a really close family member pass away its really tough.

Richy may not have done this for profit per say, but it would be highly disingenuous to imply or suggest he didn't benefit from coordinating the group buy. I would guess he probably sets price points to get free (or nearly free) gear.

Fair enough.

And I get that he had a loss in the family 6 weeks ago.

We've all been there. And that is in fact why I extended some extra patience with the guy - patience he has now thoroughly exhausted.

But you don't drop your commitments that you've professionally made because of your loss. You don't suddenly not honor your word because of your loss.

If he's going through so much personal $#!% that he can't hold up his end of the bargain, then he needs to man up, hold to his commitments, and more importantly, stand up to his word.

grunz
08-31-2009, 8:37 AM
Another week and no response from Rich.....

Exposed
08-31-2009, 2:57 PM
WOW! I was part of the first group buy and I was very happy with Richy and the way he handled the group buy. I dont think hes out to get anyone, if that were the case, he would have jacked me too. Im thinking something must have happened.

grunz
08-31-2009, 6:29 PM
I spoke with EoTech about Richy today - I spoke with the lady he places the orders with.

Bottom line his credit card was never charged for my order since it was cancelled and never shipped (XPS 3-1 and G23FTS) so there is no reason he cant refund my money immediately unless he spend the money on something else allready....

Damn!

tenbrook
09-01-2009, 5:47 AM
I spoke with EoTech about Richy today - I spoke with the lady he places the orders with.

Bottom line his credit card was never charged for my order since it was cancelled and never shipped (XPS 3-1 and G23FTS) so there is no reason he cant refund my money immediately unless he spend the money on something else allready....

Damn!


FYI That combo of XPS-3-1 and G23FTS will not be available from EOTech for another 2-3 months. :)

Lancear15
09-01-2009, 6:33 AM
Let this serve as another warning for group buys. Not worth it IMO.

L8Apex619
09-02-2009, 9:09 PM
BUMP for a pissed off group of people - present company included.

WHERE THE %#@& ARE YOU RICHY?

evollep3
09-03-2009, 10:26 AM
Let this serve as another warning for group buys. Not worth it IMO.

not true or should i say not always true

L8Apex619
09-03-2009, 7:46 PM
WOW! I was part of the first group buy and I was very happy with Richy and the way he handled the group buy. I dont think hes out to get anyone, if that were the case, he would have jacked me too.


You know what? That first group buy - you know, the one that wasn't a total failure - was why I felt confident participating in this one. I bet I'm not the only CG'er who's confidence he gained by successfully executing that first group by, either.

Hmmm... confidence... why does that word seem increasingly relevant here?

Let's see:

1. He provides a false name for Calgunners to send a USPS money order to, and in the process, insulates himself from direct contact with his "customers" outside of his gmail email address. How many of you were given a phone number at which you could directly reach Richy? How many of you actually know him by a name other than just "Richy?"

2. He provides false information regarding EOTech's production schedule (on record).

3. He sets, removes, and then resets his email's autoreply, and hasn't responded to anyone for two weeks now.

4. He promises me a refund three weeks ago, and over two weeks ago told me it would be sent last week (on record). Of course it never came.

5. He cancels his FailZero group buy over a month ago, and yet people are still awaiting their refund (see here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=186789&page=5)).

6. EOTech has removed him from their list of vendors in California (on record).

7. Now EOTech informs me that they are holding up an order because of problems with his credit.

Yep - everything seems on the up-and-up to me! :chris:


You know what has two arms, two legs, is %#@&ing hopping mad and getting more and more froggy with each passing day? ME :mad:

flyingdrp
09-03-2009, 9:43 PM
Anyone besides L8Apex619 and I get screwed?
RP

L8Apex619
09-04-2009, 8:22 AM
Anyone besides L8Apex619 and I get screwed?
RP


Unless he's been fortunate enough to have a turn of events for the better over the last 4 days, you can add grunz to that list.

grunz
09-04-2009, 9:12 AM
Yep, me too.

L8Apex619
09-04-2009, 9:07 PM
Catharsis Bump.

The clock's ticking, Richy... tic-toc. I hear mail fraud is a felony.

12voltguy
09-04-2009, 9:16 PM
You know what? That first group buy - you know, the one that wasn't a total failure - was why I felt confident participating in this one. I bet I'm not the only CG'er who's confidence he gained by successfully executing that first group by, either.

Hmmm... confidence... why does that word seem increasingly relevant here?

Let's see:

1. He provides a false name for Calgunners to send a USPS money order to, and in the process, insulates himself from direct contact with his "customers" outside of his gmail email address. How many of you were given a phone number at which you could directly reach Richy? How many of you actually know him by a name other than just "Richy?"

2. He provides false information regarding EOTech's production schedule (on record).

3. He sets, removes, and then resets his email's autoreply, and hasn't responded to anyone for two weeks now.

4. He promises me a refund three weeks ago, and over two weeks ago told me it would be sent last week (on record). Of course it never came.

5. He cancels his FailZero group buy over a month ago, and yet people are still awaiting their refund (see here (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=186789&page=5)).

6. EOTech has removed him from their list of vendors in California (on record).

7. Now EOTech informs me that they are holding up an order because of problems with his credit.

Yep - everything seems on the up-and-up to me! :chris:


You know what has two arms, two legs, is %#@&ing hopping mad and getting more and more froggy with each passing day? ME :mad:

I checked when he started
his price was only $40 less then in stock unit with 3x at cabellas
wtf would anyone want to wait 2+ months to save maybe $40??????????

L8Apex619
09-05-2009, 9:35 AM
I checked when he started
his price was only $40 less then in stock unit with 3x at cabellas
wtf would anyone want to wait 2+ months to save maybe $40??????????



Your question is a fair question, which deserves an honest answer:

1. I'm not rich enough that $40 is of no consequence. $40 buys 200 b00lits for reloading, or 100 b00lits and a lb. of powder. That's a lot of shooting.

2. Given the opportunity, I rather keep my money here in the CG community. I have met a lot of good people on/from this board (this is my first exception), and given the chance, I rather give my money to the decent and honest folks here at Calguns than to some distant retailer out of state.

3. For my model, it was promised as a 30-day wait time, not two months.

12voltguy
09-05-2009, 9:43 AM
Your question is a fair question, which deserves an honest answer:

1. I'm not rich enough that $40 is of no consequence. $40 buys 200 b00lits for reloading, or 100 b00lits and a lb. of powder. That's a lot of shooting.

2. Given the opportunity, I rather keep my money here in the CG community. I have met a lot of good people on/from this board (this is my first exception), and given the chance, I rather give my money to the decent and honest folks here at Calguns than to some distant retailer out of state.

3. For my model, it was promised as a 30-day wait time, not two months.

had he been well known....if $40 is alot of $$, I imagine the hundreds you are out now stings more then spending an extra $40:mad:


..hell he was banned the 1st week over something or another on here:eek:

L8Apex619
09-05-2009, 10:55 AM
had he been well known....if $40 is alot of $$, I imagine the hundreds you are out now stings more then spending an extra $40:mad:

..hell he was banned the 1st week over something or another on here:eek:


Well, considering his "first week" would have been in Spring of '08, I'm not sure what relevance that served for us relative n00bs who joined Calguns a year later in Spring of '09.

That being the case, I did my due diligence in researching his prior iTrading history - which reflected nothing but positive experiences in dealing with him - both in individual sales and in his previously executed group buy.

Is this not the benchmark by which we assess the level of comfort in dealing with each other here on CG? I would never have entered into this group buy if there had been any indication of untrustworthiness.

I'm not even sure how you retroactively research someone's ban history. Please enlighten me.

Furthermore, in searching for information in this regard, it appears as if his prior ban may have had something to do with his violation of terms with regards to bumping his own for sale threads beyond the once-per-day allowed maximum - which would not have in any way indicated a lack of trustworthiness, especially in light of his prior positive iTrading history.

You are absolutely right however that $40 pales in comparison to the $350+ I am seemingly out now ("for now" would be the more appropriate phrasing BTW). But by this logic, we should never enter into transactions with one another here on CG, even when someone has a demonstrably solid track record. While I cannot speak on behalf of the entire board, I have 21 very positive experiences - both buying and selling - that say otherwise. Your own 11 positive transactions seems to indicate you feel the same way. ;)

Anyway, while you and I are exchanging our perceptions on the subject, please allow me a second to digress and once again ask:


RICHY, WHERE THE HELL IS MY MONEY?!? :chris:

12voltguy
09-05-2009, 11:06 AM
Well, considering his "first week" would have been in Spring of '08, I'm not sure what relevance that served for us relative n00bs who joined Calguns a year later in Spring of '09.

That being the case, I did my due diligence in researching his prior iTrading history - which reflected nothing but positive experiences in dealing with him - both in individual sales and in his previously executed group buy.

Is this not the benchmark by which we assess the level of comfort in dealing with each other here on CG? I would never have entered into this group buy if there had been any indication of untrustworthiness.

I'm not even sure how you retroactively research someone's ban history. Please enlighten me.

Furthermore, in searching for information in this regard, it appears as if his prior ban may have had something to do with his violation of terms with regards to bumping his own for sale threads beyond the once-per-day allowed maximum - which would not have in any way indicated a lack of trustworthiness, especially in light of his prior positive iTrading history.

You are absolutely right however that $40 pales in comparison to the $350+ I am seemingly out now ("for now" would be the more appropriate phrasing BTW). But by this logic, we should never enter into transactions with one another here on CG, even when someone has a demonstrably solid track record. While I cannot speak on behalf of the entire board, I have 21 very positive experiences - both buying and selling - that say otherwise. Your own 11 positive transactions seems to indicate you feel the same way. ;)

Anyway, while you and I are exchanging our perceptions on the subject, please allow me a second to digress and once again ask:


RICHY, WHERE THE HELL IS MY MONEY?!? :chris:

I ment his 1st week of this add it'self, page 1

I emailed with him just a few times on this & didn't trust him
When I told him he was only $40 cheaper & cabelas price, he threatened to turn in cablas for under MAP advertising:rolleyes:

his add says
Prices aren't posted because they are well below M.A.P.
Email for pricing, thanks.

not really, as the cabela price was only a bit under MAP

if you paid with a CC & you should, call your CC co & I think you have 6 months to file
they always side with the customer by the way

L8Apex619
09-05-2009, 11:36 AM
Yep - I see the ban you're speaking of. And then he was unbanned five days later, after which he proceeded to coordinate not one, but two group buys.

As I said, a ban in and of itself can happen for a number of reasons, and historically, I'd bet dollars to donuts a majority of those reasons have nothing to do with running scams - especially from a "senior member" who had been a member for a year or more and who had a year-long positive track record for transactions preceding this Epic Fail.

I will admit there was one red flag that stood out - his instructions to send the money order to his "brother-in-law."

And good read BTW if you determined you didn't trust him after a couple exchanges... While I didn't feel 100% comfortable myself, after careful consideration and contemplation, I came to the conclusion he would not risk committing a federal offense such over a paltry sum. Just as you mention the benefit of paying by CC, there are benefits by paying via USPS money order as well: there is a traceable record of the transaction, and by fraudulently accepting a payment via USPS money order, one has committed mail fraud, a prosecutable federal offense under Title 18, Chapter 63 of the U.S. Code.

Given Richy had established a year-long track record of conducting himself professionally with nothing but positive results, it would have seemed unlikely he would commit a federal offense over $360+ dollars. At least that was my thought on the matter when I decided to go ahead with the transaction.

Anyway, please once again pardon the digression as I take the opportunity to ask:


RICHY, WHERE THE %#@& IS MY MONEY?!? :chris:

12voltguy
09-05-2009, 11:45 AM
Yep - I see the ban you're speaking of. And then he was unbanned five days later, after which he proceeded to coordinate not one, but two group buys.

As I said, a ban in and of itself can happen for a number of reasons, and historically, I'd bet dollars to donuts a majority of those reasons have nothing to do with running scams - especially from a "senior member" who had been a member for a year or more and who had a year-long positive track record for transactions preceding this Epic Fail.

I will admit there was one red flag that stood out - his instructions to send the money order to his "brother-in-law."

And good read BTW if you determined you didn't trust him after a couple exchanges... While I didn't feel 100% comfortable myself, after careful consideration and contemplation, I came to the conclusion he would not risk committing a federal offense such over a paltry sum. Just as you mention the benefit of paying by CC, there are benefits by paying via USPS money order as well: there is a traceable record of the transaction, and by fraudulently accepting a payment via USPS money order, one has committed mail fraud, a prosecutable federal offense under Title 18, Chapter 63 of the U.S. Code.

Given Richy had established a year-long track record of conducting himself professionally with nothing but positive results, it would have seemed unlikely he would commit a federal offense over $360+ dollars. At least that was my thought on the matter when I decided to go ahead with the transaction.

Anyway, please once again pardon the digression as I take the opportunity to ask:


RICHY, WHERE THE %#@& IS MY MONEY?!? :chris:

but it's not $360
it's $360 x-- how ever many bought
many 1,000's of $$$$


I have yet to hear of any of these scamers getting caught for mail fraud

seems they use a fake id to cash MO's and most use a PO-BOX:mad::mad:

L8Apex619
09-05-2009, 1:05 PM
but it's not $360
it's $360 x-- how ever many bought
many 1,000's of $$$$

I have yet to hear of any of these scamers getting caught for mail fraud

seems they use a fake id to cash MO's and most use a PO-BOX:mad::mad:

People get arrested all the time for mail fraud (http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=mail+fraud+arrested&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8).

When you consider it appears as if he provided an alias for us to send our money orders to, I'm guessing he wanted to keep this option in his playbook.

I'd also say we're kind of fortunate in this case (by "we" I am speaking of the other two CG'ers who have yet to receive word, product, or refund), as Richy was an officially-recognized EOTech vendor (until this last week, when he was removed from their list of approved merchants), and as such, his name was on file. Not only do we know his full name (from EOTech), but we know the name of the "brother-in-law" for whom he provided an alias when he gave instructions regarding to whom we were to send our money orders.

And while three of us are left hangin', another three did receive their merchandise as ordered. I have no clue how many people are on the hook in his other group buy (for CMMG uppers and FailZero BCGs), and to be honest, I am in no position to speculate as to the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of his intentions in that group buy thread - I can only speak as to the growing interpretation of his intent regarding this group buy.

Even if you add up the three CG'ers in this group buy who are getting froggy over this - all of whom were n00bs when this group buy went down - you're still talking somewhere around the $2K mark - hardly worth getting sued, going to jail and losing your 2nd amendment rights over IMO...

My read: I honestly don't think Richy is thinking this through clearly... I think he's probably found himself behind the 8-ball, and instead of deciding to man up and get in touch with his "customers," he's instead chosen to ignore the issue altogether. I'm guessing he's simply not in a position to refund us or to make good on his credit issues with EOTech. And instead of owning up, he's decided to play hide-and-seek.

Maybe he plans to stall out until he can afford to give me/us our refund(s) or deliver on his holo's (though in my case, he promised me a refund nearly a month ago). Then again, as mentioned, it seems he did have us send our money orders to an alias...

Unfortunately, his choice to ignore any and all attempts at communication have left the undeniable impression he's decided to just click his heels three times and hope we magically go away. Ain't gonna happen.

Richy, if you're lurking, you NEED TO KNOW it is in your best interest to get in touch with us and work out a solution ASAP.

It is his absolute absence and silence that has left us no option but to pursue this matter legally.

12voltguy
09-05-2009, 1:15 PM
People get arrested all the time for mail fraud (http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=mail+fraud+arrested&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8).

When you consider it appears as if he provided an alias for us to send our money orders to, I'm guessing he wanted to keep this option in his playbook.

I'd also say we're kind of fortunate in this case (by "we" I am speaking of the other two CG'ers who have yet to receive word, product, or refund), as Richy was an officially-recognized EOTech vendor (until this last week, when he was removed from their list of approved merchants), and as such, his name was on file. Not only do we know his full name (from EOTech), but we know the name of the "brother-in-law" for whom he provided an alias when he gave instructions regarding to whom we were to send our money orders.

And while three of us are left hangin', another three did receive their merchandise as ordered. I have no clue how many people are on the hook in his other group buy (for CMMG uppers and FailZero BCGs), and to be honest, I am in no position to speculate as to the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of his intentions in that group buy thread - I can only speak as to the growing interpretation of his intent regarding this group buy.

Even if you add up the three CG'ers in this group buy who are getting froggy over this - all of whom were n00bs when this group buy went down - you're still talking somewhere around the $2K mark - hardly worth getting sued, going to jail and losing your 2nd amendment rights over IMO...

My read: I honestly don't think Richy is thinking this through clearly... I think he's probably found himself behind the 8-ball, and instead of deciding to man up and get in touch with his "customers," he's instead chosen to ignore the issue altogether. I'm guessing he's simply not in a position to refund us or to make good on his credit issues with EOTech. And instead of owning up, he's decided to play hide-and-seek.

Maybe he plans to stall out until he can afford to give me/us our refund(s) or deliver on his holo's (though in my case, he promised me a refund nearly a month ago). Then again, as mentioned, it seems he did have us send our money orders to an alias...

Unfortunately, his choice to ignore any and all attempts at communication have left the undeniable impression he's decided to just click his heels three times and hope we magically go away. Ain't gonna happen.

Richy, if you're lurking, you NEED TO KNOW it is in your best interest to get in touch with us and work out a solution ASAP.

It is his absolute absence and silence that has left us no option but to pursue this matter legally.

That is good to hear
He could have group buys on a dozen BBs with these same threads:mad:

Or not........most won't bother trying to sue over $360 cause there time & or lawyer fees will cost more, + even if you get a judgement againest him, now you need to collect, & that is not easy if he is broke, or just won't pay:chris:

L8Apex619
09-05-2009, 4:25 PM
UPDATE - Saturday, Sept. 5


Well, today was it. After nearly a dozen emails and request after request, demand after demand, I had set a deadline of today for Richy to follow through with his promised refund.

And guess what?

He did.

And despite all the headaches & the complete void of communication, in the end, he manned up and kept his word. Despite what essentially seemed like an interest-free loan for four months, he managed to end this transaction on what I am going to consider to be a positive note.

Thanks, Richy.

Please heed my advice from this thread and contact your other group buy customers. As I have said not once, but over and over again, it is the lack of communication that invariably compounds our frustration and results in the interpretation of intent that has prevailed among us.

Even if you're unable to meet all your commitments to other customers, or if for some reason you're delayed in doing so, just let them know.

Good news or bad, a little open and honest communication goes a long, long way towards curing ill will...

Thanks again for ending this transaction on a positive note. I hope the other group buy members in this thread - grunz and flyingdrp - see similar outcomes and resolution.

L8Apex

dakobster81
09-05-2009, 4:37 PM
glad to see this might finally be over

grunz
09-05-2009, 8:18 PM
I got my $947 back from Rich on Tuesday September 8.

bomb_on_bus
09-05-2009, 8:54 PM
kick the dude in the scare in the nutz!

treasurz
10-26-2009, 6:51 AM
Can someone post or pm me his info? Emailed him a bunch of times and no response. He told me mine had come in over a month ago and still nothing. Thanks.

flyingdrp
10-26-2009, 9:05 PM
Me too. I've emailed him, called him and still no response. Dude owes me $$$'s

gr3gs1n
11-05-2009, 9:09 AM
Wow so there are others out there having the same problem as me with richy. Only difference is mine was for a CMMG upper receiver. He said he was mailing them out yet I never received one and he hasn't responded back to any of my e-mails. $600 of my money has been floating around since about the same time you guys sent out for your eotechs.

Who did he have you guys send the MO out to? He told me to make it out to his brother in law Warren Abrams and send it out to his home address. And to all those who havn't received your money or product I say we get together and file a small claims lawsuit against him. Combining all of our e-mails stating the claims he made to send our products out to eventually not getting any responses would be a lot of evidence stacked against him. We dont need an attorney to file for it either just a few small steps and paperwork that we complete on our own and we mail it out to him and take it from there. Lets get together on this and get our money back.

macker
11-05-2009, 9:23 AM
I truly hope this GB started out with completely legitimate intentions, to help people out and offer dealer pricing to CG members. Richy, if you see this post, please step up and let us know what's going on.


Delivery was expected in July. I got an e-mail from Richy on Oct 1, saying my order was ready to ship. It's November. No tracking number, no replies, no indication of anything but a failure to deliver on what was promised and paid for.

Richy has not replied to this thread, not once, to say what's going on. Contacting him is like pulling teeth, and now seems to be a dead end. There is simply no reason left to believe that I'll see a product, or refund, if I don't take additional action.

I know I'm not alone. What I don't know is how many other people are in this situation. If you placed an order with Richy, as part of this GB, it would be a great help if you could send me a PM with the following info: when your was placed / money sent, product/refund received or not, latest ETA or date of "product ready to ship" statement, which model(s) you ordered.


I have a mailing address that Richy provided for sending a MO to, "A[...] Ct". If you have other contact info for Richy, please let me know.

My ultimate goal is to see that everyone who participated in this GB receive their product, or a refund of the amount they paid.

natasha69
11-05-2009, 9:45 AM
You guys might want to consider the mail fraud angle. If someone consolidates all the information, I'd contact the FBI or US Postal Service and report this guy, giving them the information.

12voltguy
11-05-2009, 10:55 AM
You guys might want to consider the mail fraud angle. If someone consolidates all the information, I'd contact the FBI or US Postal Service and report this guy, giving them the information.

it's about the only thing they can do now, they have been scammed.
doesn't sound like they have enough info on the seller to try small claims
likely a fake name
used somebody elses address, maybe a vacant house.......

macker
11-05-2009, 12:28 PM
My understanding is that Richy has a prior reputation as being an honest person, who had previously done successful GB's on CalGuns. Both his post count and his iTrader feedback seem to suggest good things. I've also spoke with another dealer on CG, who felt that the problems here were not intentional.

So, to be clear, it's not my belief that this was intended to be an illegitimate operation. But clearly something wrong has happened, and whether it's his intention or not, there are people (myself included) who need resolution with Richy.

What I don't know is if there were dozens of fulfilled orders and only a few people who haven't received product, only a dozen orders total, etc. I'm trying to get a clear picture. Until the situation is better understood, I feel the appropriate course of action is to continue to find out the details, and give Richy an opportunity to resolve this.

If it becomes apparent that Richy is unwilling to resolve this issue, I will look at what options exist, and provide information about those options to those who I know are involved and pending resolution.

I'm just a CG member (and GB participant) trying to achieve resolution.

flyingdrp
11-05-2009, 5:14 PM
I'm up for whatever gets me my money back. Small claims..... Let me know what you want me to do.
RP

freonr22
11-09-2009, 11:20 AM
ttt

freonr22
11-17-2009, 9:42 PM
Weekly BUMP

freonr22
11-24-2009, 12:17 PM
weekly bump

macker
11-24-2009, 8:59 PM
Well, I wish I was able to update this thread with good news.

Unfortunately, my pre-Thanksgiving post is, no thanks to Richy.

Richy, if you're out there, dude, wtf?? Did you plan on ripping people off, or is that just how the cards landed, that it was worth screwing people over who placed their trust and money in your hands? You do realize the impact of postal money orders being involved, right?

So, here's the deal. Richy seems to be a no-go, and if you haven't received product or a refund (which seems to be the vast majority), it seems unlikely that will happen on its own.

I'll be looking into what the next steps are for legal recourse. If you want to be involved, please let me know, post in the thread, etc. If you have previously contacted me, let me know you want to be involved in the further actions. If you haven't previously contacted me, speak up (in PM or here.) As far as I can tell, waiting for Richy to get things sorted out, is not a viable option.

Sad to see GB's go sour, especially in this way.

Veggie
11-24-2009, 9:27 PM
Maybe the dude had a terrible accident IRL.

flyingdrp
11-24-2009, 9:34 PM
I'm in. Sign me up. I got screwed by this jerk.
RP

freonr22
12-02-2009, 9:42 AM
Any updates??

freonr22
12-10-2009, 8:59 AM
weekly bump

hoozaru
12-10-2009, 9:21 AM
no one knows his real name and address??

sorry to hear your loss

colossians323
12-12-2009, 6:57 PM
pm me pricing please:)

freonr22
12-14-2009, 8:35 AM
somebody has to be able to do a reverse lookup, or maybe a fraud complaint with the postal service

macker
12-28-2009, 11:21 AM
Been off-board for a few weeks, sorry to those who PM'd me in that time. Amongst those, was an exceptionally useful PM, and lead me to some interesting results.

I really wanted to believe in Richy, that he's a good guy, and this is all a misunderstanding. I'm having a hard time doing that, after doing some searching on his "brother-in-law".

This is not the first time there's been problems of "sent money, no product received". Someone with a very similar name, at the same address, was banned from CalGuns in 2008. Same similar name, same address, problems with a $400 air rifle.

In the case of the air rifle, that person eventually received it, minus the butt-plate, after filing a dispute with PayPal.

I don't know if these are the same people. Maybe there's two people, with almost the exact same name, living at the same address. Maybe it's the same person, and Richy just accidentally left off the last two letters of his brother-in-law's last name.

For my part, I've still not heard from Richy, and any "benefit of the doubt" has been suitably stricken. Three times in three years? I call shenanigans.

freonr22
01-04-2010, 8:39 AM
new years bump

Grakken
01-04-2010, 9:08 AM
Someone needs to run point and collect data. get all the info you can from peeps who were ripped off by this guy. Than put your "losers who rip other people off" packet together and mail it to the feds.

This is why I wont do group buys. I'd rather spend the extra 50 bucks and know that I will get my product.

freonr22
02-01-2010, 12:29 AM
February bump

V8toytruck
02-01-2010, 1:50 AM
Since ur bumpin it daily, might want to give a mod a link to this and have them change the initial post or add a warning of some sort so no one else gets screwed over.

I was almost about to email the guy until I read the rest of this!

12voltguy
02-01-2010, 7:34 AM
February bump

this won't get you anywhere

SOCShooter
02-01-2010, 3:32 PM
email sent for price list

Spdjunkie
02-01-2010, 3:36 PM
email sent for price list
Did you read the thread?
Post above:
Since ur bumpin it daily, might want to give a mod a link to this and have them change the initial post or add a warning of some sort so no one else gets screwed over.

I was almost about to email the guy until I read the rest of this!

thefifthspeed
02-01-2010, 5:17 PM
email sent for price list

LMAO...really?

G17GUY
02-01-2010, 5:43 PM
email sent for price list

:eek:

V8toytruck
02-01-2010, 7:18 PM
See! The original post really needs to be edited!

Nookieaki
02-01-2010, 8:12 PM
Threads like this are exactly why "Group Buys" are very suspicious.

freonr22
02-21-2010, 3:45 PM
btt

freonr22
04-01-2010, 11:27 PM
Since ur bumpin it daily, might want to give a mod a link to this and have them change the initial post or add a warning of some sort so no one else gets screwed over.

I was almost about to email the guy until I read the rest of this!


well the other bump was a month a apart.

Also alerted mods

such a shame. THIEF!

freonr22
04-24-2010, 12:27 PM
no resolve?

12voltguy
04-24-2010, 12:44 PM
since this is a scam
looks like many have not got what they paid for
& people have reported the post
why isn't the 1st post at least edited with
DO NOT SEND $
or SCAMMER?

Joe
04-24-2010, 1:02 PM
Wow. I almost sent money to this guy. So glad I didn't.

Hope you guys get it resolved.

freonr22
05-25-2010, 1:46 PM
monthly bump for resolve?

kozumasbullitt
05-25-2010, 4:09 PM
I almost just feel for this because I read the first page.... Then I jumped to the last page. I think the op needs to be edited.

12voltguy
05-25-2010, 4:15 PM
since this is a scam
looks like many have not got what they paid for
& people have reported the post
why isn't the 1st post at least edited with
DO NOT SEND $
or SCAMMER?

I almost just feel for this because I read the first page.... Then I jumped to the last page. I think the op needs to be edited.

ya I know
+ bumping this as guy above you does each month is not going to get it resolved, shoot it almost made you a new victim:eek:

freonr22
05-25-2010, 4:17 PM
Sorry, I had reported it the first time it was mentioned about editing title

12voltguy
05-25-2010, 4:23 PM
Sorry, I had reported it the first time it was mentioned about editing title

I did also & they did nothing................