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lioneaglegriffin
04-17-2009, 7:15 PM
did i mention i hate jack weiss? :rolleyes:

L.A. city attorney candidates hold spirited debate

Jack Weiss accuses rival Carmen Trutanich of representing a 'moral sinkhole' of clients. Trutanich accuses his foe of having a 'failed record.'
By Maeve Reston

April 16, 2009

City attorney candidate Jack Weiss accused rival Carmen "Nuch" Trutanich of representing a "moral sinkhole" of private clients Wednesday night, while the San Pedro attorney questioned what he called Weiss' "failed record," and whether he had the legal experience for the job.

The debate, which included topics such as the city's billboard regulations and morale in the city attorney's office, was the second in less than two weeks for the candidates, who face a runoff election on May 19.

As he has throughout the runoff campaign, Weiss demanded that Trutanich disclose all of the clients he has represented over 20 years as a private attorney -- repeating the demand so frequently that audience members booed loudly at one point, shouting for him to move on.

In several heated exchanges over the issue at Notre Dame High School in Sherman Oaks, Trutanich said he was bound by a section of the California Business and Professional Code concerning ethical rules for lawyers.

"I don't want to school you on the rules of ethics, but maybe you need to be schooled," Trutanich told Weiss, a former federal prosecutor. "The privilege of disclosure belongs to a client. I can't talk about my clients to you or anyone else in this room."

When Weiss returned to the issue several minutes later -- asking which laws prevented Trutanich from talking about his clients -- a visibly irritated Trutanich read excerpts of the code section aloud.

"Let me tell you something, a first-year law student would know those answers," Trutanich said.

Over the course of the 34-minute debate, Weiss, who has made gun control a central focus as a city councilman, zeroed in on several of the gun clients represented by Trutanich's Long Beach-based firm, Trutanich-Michel LLP.

Trutanich's partner, C.D. Michel, is an attorney for the National Rifle Assn., and Weiss accused Trutanich of being allied with the gun lobby. Trutanich has said that he has never personally represented the NRA and is not a member of the organization.

Weiss, a Westside councilman, specifically singled out Trutanich's representation of a Simi Valley man, Wayne William Wright, whom he called "a one-man arsenal."

Officers from the Los Angeles Police Department seized 459 firearms from Wright's home, according to court documents provided by the Weiss campaign. Wright ultimately pleaded guilty to possession of an assault weapon and the charge was reduced to a misdemeanor, according to the documents.

"You fought with the LAPD to try to get hundreds and hundreds of his guns from his arsenal returned to him," Weiss said. "You have made an effort to try to get the people of this city to believe that you are not involved in representing the gun business, gun dealers, illegal gun criminals -- come clean and tell us the extent of your involvement."

Trutanich said after the debate that he could not comment on the case, but that Weiss' facts were wrong. In response to Weiss, he questioned why Los Angeles County District Atty. Steve Cooley and Sheriff Lee Baca, along with prominent police organizations, including the Los Angeles Police Protective League, would have given him their endorsement "if they thought I was going to walk around town with bandoleros."

"Come on Jack, get real," Trutanich said. "This is a diversion and it's to hide your record from these folks."

Over the course of the debate, Trutanich questioned Weiss' allegedly frequent absences from council chambers, and his relationships with developers: "If you're going to talk about disclosures, let's talk about developers -- the over $1 million you got from developers that have projects before you," Trutanich said.

Trutanich also scoffed at the fact that Weiss handled eight jury trials as a federal prosecutor -- saying he probably tried that many in his first month as a deputy district attorney -- and questioned the depth of Weiss' experience as a lawyer.

Weiss, in turn, made pointed jabs at Trutanich's choice of clients: "If the issue is experience, there is not one bit of experience in Mr. Trutanich's last 20 years as a lawyer that I would be proud to have on my record -- it's a moral sinkhole, Mr. Trutanich," Weiss said.

In his closing statement, Trutanich said that regardless of his clients, voters should want "a lawyer in that office."

"You don't want someone that's trying to make up a political record, that has nothing to say for himself in terms of what he did," he said.

The candidates will meet again in a debate next week.

Synergy
04-17-2009, 7:25 PM
I wish I could have seen it. Sounds like it would have been a good debate. Weiss is trying to doggy paddle to save his political career.

lioneaglegriffin
04-17-2009, 7:28 PM
I wish I could have seen it. Sounds like it would have been a good debate. Weiss is trying to doggy paddle to save his political career.

if were lucky no one will have him and he can go screw up in the private sector.

glockman19
04-17-2009, 7:30 PM
I met a friend who was there last night. It was held at Notre Dame High Gym in Sherman Oaks.

General consensus was Jack is an @$$.

lioneaglegriffin
04-17-2009, 7:58 PM
I met a friend who was there last night. It was held at Notre Dame High Gym in Sherman Oaks.

General consensus was Jack is an @$$.
i didn't have to be there to figure that out lol

i loved the part where (and im paraphrasing) he kept badgering Tru to give up his clients. and he replies i shouldn't have to lecture you on ethics, (of course he does) but a first year law student know what client confidentiality is.

glockman19
04-17-2009, 8:06 PM
What was even better was the exchange where Wiess asked Tru to disclose his clients...Wiess repeated this several times until Tru pulled out the actual code and told him a first year law student should know the confidentially of the lawyer client relationship and it was up to his clients to make that known.

"Trutanich also scoffed at the fact that Weiss handled eight jury trials as a federal prosecutor -- saying he probably tried that many in his first month as a deputy district attorney -- and questioned the depth of Weiss' experience as a lawyer."

Classic

lioneaglegriffin
04-17-2009, 8:17 PM
What was even better was the exchange where Wiess asked Tru to disclose his clients...Wiess repeated this several times until Tru pulled out the actual code and told him a first year law student should know the confidentially of the lawyer client relationship and it was up to his clients to make that known.

"Trutanich also scoffed at the fact that Weiss handled eight jury trials as a federal prosecutor -- saying he probably tried that many in his first month as a deputy district attorney -- and questioned the depth of Weiss' experience as a lawyer."

Classic

indeed, shows he was prepared. Seems wiess can only sing one song.

yellowfin
04-17-2009, 8:39 PM
LA has got to be one seriously screwed up place for NRA affiliation to be considered a smear so bad that it's Weiss' only card in the deck by choice.

nick
04-17-2009, 8:50 PM
Moral sinkhole, that's us. You know, the non-misunderstood-gangster law-abiding types. With "arsenals", that is :)

But then, the raped and murdered victim is morally superior to the one shooting the assaillant, right? That seems to be his logic, at least.

nick
04-17-2009, 8:58 PM
"You fought with the LAPD to try to get hundreds and hundreds of his guns from his arsenal returned to him," Weiss said. "You have made an effort to try to get the people of this city to believe that you are not involved in representing the gun business, gun dealers, illegal gun criminals -- come clean and tell us the extent of your involvement."

Returning the citizen's private property, outrageous! First we start returning their private property, then maybe pass some law restricting illegal search and seizures... Where will this stop??? What do you mean it's in the Constitution? I want you to cite a specific law that says we cannot seize guns, GUNS!!! at will! Think of the children!

nick
04-17-2009, 9:03 PM
LA has got to be one seriously screwed up place for NRA affiliation to be considered a smear so bad that it's Weiss' only card in the deck by choice.

Well, the sad part is that his appeal to emotion rather than reason might just work. How do you think we keep electing the incompetent screw-ups who make up the proud majority of our elected officials.

yellowfin
04-17-2009, 9:18 PM
Appealing to whose emotions, though? Even as an emotional argument that's pathetic. That's not appealing to anything, it's just brain dead blathering. It's just screaming "n-word lover" over and over again.

nick
04-17-2009, 9:32 PM
Well, yes. Haven't you figured out that as far as him and the likes of him are concerned, you ARE a second-class citizen. To be tolerated while you can't be disposed of, not a minute more.

So let's see... "One-man arsenal", hundreds of guns", "fighting LAPD for guns"... Don't forget, this is the same place that votes for kevin De Leon and such.

cousinkix1953
04-17-2009, 9:42 PM
It sounds like a circus to me. Once you get away from Smell A and San Fransicko, the city attorney is an obscure official. The rest of those lawyers are too busy drafting ordinances and fending off civil lawsuits against city hall. They aren't politicians, and aren't running for anything else either...

tiki
04-17-2009, 9:53 PM
Moral sinkhole, that's us. You know, the non-misunderstood-gangster law-abiding types. With "arsenals", that is :)



HEY! HEY! HEY!

It's Right Wing Extremist. :thumbsup:

nick
04-17-2009, 9:55 PM
HEY! HEY! HEY!

It's Right Wing Extremist. :thumbsup:

Sorry, I misspoke (the legalese for lied) :)

N6ATF
04-17-2009, 10:27 PM
Weiss needs to be disbarred for either intentionally disregarding the most basic principles of ACP or not even knowing them to begin with. What can we do to get this process started?

yellowfin
04-17-2009, 10:44 PM
Suing Weiss for slander would be a worthwhile pursuit. We NRA members should file a class action suit.

lioneaglegriffin
04-17-2009, 11:12 PM
when do we start :)

TheBundo
04-17-2009, 11:12 PM
How the hell can Weiss think that a guy with 459 guns is any more dangerous than someone with 2 guns (the most you can fire at once, with one in each hand)? He couldn't even transport them all at once, unless he had a big truck. They must weigh 1000's of pounds. He's obviously a collector.

Geez, is there a limit on how many coins, or stamps, you can collect? There was a guy in Woodside who just died that had 100's of old Army tanks. Big deal. What a bunch of sissy men have gotten power, it's unreal.

What if, instead of him having 459 guns, 459 homes in a row had 1 gun each. That would be a lot scarier, since 459 homes in a row would likely include a few nuts. This guy hadn't caused any trouble with his first 5 guns, his 1st 10 guns, his 1st 50 guns, his 1st 100 guns, etc., etc.

lioneaglegriffin
04-17-2009, 11:17 PM
How the hell can Weiss think that a guy with 459 guns is any more dangerous than someone with 2 guns (the most you can fire at once, with one in each hand)? He couldn't even transport them all at once, unless he had a big truck. They must weigh 1000's of pounds. He's obviously a collector.

Geez, is there a limit on how many coins, or stamps, you can collect? There was a guy in Woodside who just died that had 100's of old Army tanks. Big deal. What a bunch of sissy men have gotten power, it's unreal.

What if, instead of him having 459 guns, 459 homes in a row had 1 gun each. That would be a lot scarier, since 459 homes in a row would likely include a few nuts. This guy hadn't caused any trouble with his first 5 guns, his 1st 10 guns, his 1st 50 guns, his 1st 100 guns, etc., etc.

the fear i assume is that he could hold of thepolice in a shootout like some rambo wannabe and bog down the LAPD and the CA National Guard with his lever action puma and his mauser.

cousinkix1953
04-17-2009, 11:44 PM
Weiss needs to be disbarred. What can we do to get this process started?
The California Bar Association is a good place to start. They'll forward you to the commission that diciplines lawyers. They just disbarred a coorupt deputy DA in Santa Cruz county. He was arrested for drunken driving and tried to buy his way out of a ticket. This didn't sell well with the CHP either...

TheBundo
04-17-2009, 11:50 PM
the fear i assume is that he could hold of thepolice in a shootout like some rambo wannabe and bog down the LAPD and the CA National Guard with his lever action puma and his mauser.

I don't know the case, but if it was based solely on the number of guns, how did it all start? Some wacko neighbor or "friend" see his collection and "report" it? It wasn't like the DOJ didn't see his name a lot when he bought a gun (unless they were all C&R's). Anyone have a link to this case? Was it all brought about by the "AW" gun?

Jpach
04-17-2009, 11:55 PM
"You fought with the LAPD to try to get hundreds and hundreds of his guns from his arsenal returned to him," Weiss said. "You have made an effort to try to get the people of this city to believe that you are not involved in representing the gun business, gun dealers, illegal gun criminals -- come clean and tell us the extent of your involvement."


So what is the problem with getting back a man's legally acquired/owned guns?

He also lumps gun criminals, gun dealers, and the gun business together. So going about business in a clearly legal way by obtaining FFLs is just like selling and or using guns illegally? I dont think this guy will get very far.

lioneaglegriffin
04-18-2009, 12:00 AM
So what is the problem with getting back a man's legally acquired/owned guns?

He also lumps gun criminals, gun dealers, and the gun business together. So going about business in a clearly legal way by obtaining FFLs is just like selling and or using guns illegally? I dont think this guy will get very far.

you'd be suprised this is los angeles. :cool:

Jpach
04-18-2009, 12:02 AM
you'd be suprised this is los angeles. :cool:

Wow. For a second there I actually forgot where I was...

lioneaglegriffin
04-18-2009, 12:03 AM
Wow. For a second there I actually forgot where I was...

as they say in football "keep your head on a swivel"

nick
04-18-2009, 12:21 AM
the fear i assume is that he could hold of thepolice in a shootout like some rambo wannabe and bog down the LAPD and the CA National Guard with his lever action puma and his mauser.

Don't underestimate the M92 Puma. It's a sweet rifle to shoot, pretty accurate, and has practically no recoil with .357mag. Don't crap on my Puma :)

nick
04-18-2009, 12:23 AM
So what is the problem with getting back a man's legally acquired/owned guns?

He also lumps gun criminals, gun dealers, and the gun business together. So going about business in a clearly legal way by obtaining FFLs is just like selling and or using guns illegally? I dont think this guy will get very far.

He's got as far as being the sitting City Attorney. It's SoCal, the fruits and nuts' to general population ratio here is in favor of fruits and nuts. They now ARE the general population :)

lioneaglegriffin
04-18-2009, 12:40 AM
Don't underestimate the M92 Puma. It's a sweet rifle to shoot, pretty accurate, and has practically no recoil with .357mag. Don't crap on my Puma :)

i wasn't craping on your puma i purposefully picked those rifles because they were the sh*t in their hayday and still could do so damage in trained hands but also consequently a collector would have these rifles jus cuz its a cowboy gun, and a nazi gun. so i had a dual purpose in mind rambo gun/wall porn.

P.S i want a puma myself in my long in my quest to to get one of every type of gun. (except single shots ,but still want powerderguns[probably the last ones i'll get]) the puma in 45LC would fill my lever action quota ;)

TheBundo
04-18-2009, 12:55 AM
There's been a time, less than a lifetime ago, when collecting large amounts of gold coins might was considered bad. They had to be turned in, right? Anyone remember..........

nick
04-18-2009, 1:02 AM
i wasn't craping on your puma i purposefully picked those rifles because they were the sh*t in their hayday and still could do so damage in trained hands but also consequently a collector would have these rifles jus cuz its a cowboy gun, and a nazi gun. so i had a dual purpose in mind rambo gun/wall porn.

P.S i want a puma myself in my long in my quest to to get one of every type of gun. (except single shots ,but still want powerderguns[probably the last ones i'll get]) the puma in 45LC would fill my lever action quota ;)

Big 5 in Burbank and El Segundo had it as of Thursday.

nick
04-18-2009, 1:03 AM
There's been a time, less than a lifetime ago, when collecting large amounts of gold coins might was considered bad. They had to be turned in, right? Anyone remember..........

1930's, FDR, the New Deal, not enough gold to back all the paper money that was printed. I don't remember it, I wasn't alive. Do I get an A? :)

DDT
04-18-2009, 1:32 AM
I thought private ownership of gold was illegal until the Ford administration. I was alive when Ford was inaugurated but not old enough to vote.