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Ducman
04-17-2009, 8:22 AM
I guess I am Too :thumbsup:

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I Am an Extremist

by Oliver North

04/17/2009

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31504

According to the U.S. Government, I am an extremist. I am a Christian –– and meet regularly with other Christians to study God’s word. My faith convinces me the prophesies in the Holy Bible are true. I believe in the sanctity of human life, oppose abortion and want to preserve marriage as the union of a man and a woman. I am a veteran with skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. I own several firearms, frequently shoot them, buy ammunition and consider efforts to infringe on my 2nd Amendment rights to be wrong and unconstitutional. I fervently support the sovereignty of the United States, am deeply concerned about our economy, increasingly higher taxes, illegal immigration, soaring unemployment, and actions by our government that will bury my children beneath a mountain of debt.

Apparently, all this makes me a “rightwing extremist.” At least that’s what it says in the April 7, 2009 “Assessment” issued by the Office of Intelligence and Analysis at the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The nine-page report, titled, “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,” is full of warnings about American citizens who share any of my background or subscribe to the beliefs above. It is one of the most alarming documents produced by our government that I have ever read.

Evidently neither you nor I were ever supposed to read this “Assessment.” At the bottom of the cover page is a warning that it is “not to be released to the public, the media, or other personnel who do not have a valid need-to-know.” We’re Americans. We have a need to know what’s going on in our government –– especially in an administration that promised to be “transparent.” A full copy of the report is posted at www.freedomalliance.org.


The “Assessment” purports to alert law enforcement officials that “rightwing extremists” –– the term is used more than 35 times –– are intent on exploiting Americans who have strongly held beliefs on everything from Christian faith to rising unemployment, U.S. sovereignty and the 2nd Amendment. It vilifies those of us in these categories by references to neo-Nazis, racists, militias, white-supremacists, and other “hate groups.” Notably, the report includes a warning that Rightwing Extremism “may include groups or individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.”

Though the report proffers a passing reference to the First Amendment, it is replete with bias against conservative thought, writing and communications. On page 3, law enforcement authorities are warned, “Rightwing extremist chatter on the Internet continues to focus on the economy, the perceived (emphasis added) loss of U.S. jobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors, and home foreclosures.”

This is a frightening acknowledgement that political speech is being monitored in America. It is also wrong. It’s not “perception.” It is fact. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the manufacturing and construction sectors have lost 161,000 jobs and 126,000 jobs, respectively, in the last month alone.

In its “Key Findings” the DHS manuscript boldly charges “rightwing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about several emergent issues” and warns that “The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.”

Under the heading “Disgruntled Military Veterans” the report alleges, “rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists –– including lone wolves or small terrorist cells –– to carry out violence.” These unsubstantiated claims are followed by reminders that Timothy McVeigh –– the 1995 Oklahoma City bomber –– was a military veteran. Omitted is any reference to the fact that McVeigh was simply one of more than 40 million law abiding veterans of the U.S. Armed Forces.

Thirteen lines after this egregious, unconscionable slander against those of us who are military combat veterans, DHS makes the stunning charge that, “lone wolves and small terrorist cells embracing violent rightwing extremist ideology are the most dangerous domestic terrorism threat in the United States.”

According to this DHS “Assessment,” the most dangerous threat we face here at home isn’t from radical imams preaching violence in U.S. mosques and madrassas, Islamists recruiting in our prisons, Somali terrorists enticing young immigrants to become suicide bombers or Hamas, Hezbollah or al Qaeda operatives plotting mass murder. No, according to DHS, the real threat comes from what our government labels “rightwing extremist ideology.”

Mr. Obama should publicly disavow this report and fire the officials responsible for issuing it. Those who prepare his remarks for the occasion should insert in the teleprompter Sen. Barry Goldwater’s words on the subject: “Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.”

zatoh
04-17-2009, 8:36 AM
Has any famous person on the left labeled themselves as an "extremist" based on the DHS warning about radicals on the left?

I find Napolitano's warning puzzling because it was such a clumsy attempt.

I guess the DHS report makes us all extremists of one sort or another.

GenLee
04-17-2009, 9:12 AM
I love this country, I love our Constitution. If that makes me a terrorist, So be it!!

rp55
04-17-2009, 10:27 AM
Good thing Ollie didn't protest at a Tea Party, otherwise he'd be a "despicable" (http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/04/16/schakowsky-tea-parties-despicable/) right wing extremist.

Like myself I might add.

maxicon
04-17-2009, 10:29 AM
This from a guy who admitted selling arms to Iran, an enemy of our country, and was implicated (but nothing was proven) in the crack cocaine epidemic of the 80s?

I'm not saying I disagree with the article, but he's not the best example of a patriot I could come up with.

Just to muddy the waters more, the ACLU helped get his felony convictions overturned, which preserved his right to own firearms.

Untamed1972
04-17-2009, 10:30 AM
And they thought they were seeing "chatter" before!

Glad to know there are some patriots (AKA extremists) in DHS who made sure that report got leaked to the public. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

When there is a powerplay for control being made....EVERYONE is considered an enemy of the state.

cineski
04-17-2009, 10:32 AM
****ing lIBERALS.

1911su16b870
04-17-2009, 10:39 AM
+1 to Col. North for an excellent written response.

Soldier415
04-17-2009, 10:43 AM
tag

DDT
04-17-2009, 10:46 AM
This from a guy who admitted selling arms to Iran, an enemy of our country, and was implicated (but nothing was proven) in the crack cocaine epidemic of the 80s?


What a pile of FUD. What North did was execute American foreign policy without congresses approval. It was wrong it was inappropriate and it was against the law. You state it as though he was an arms dealer working for personal profit against our national interests and this is completely misleading. He was carrying out the desires of the Commander in Chief who was denied this course of action by Congress.

As for "implicated in the crack cocaine epidemic" that is a bald faced lie. There were one or two articles smearing Oliver North in this regard which had ZERO supporting documentation. There is no more reason to believe that than if I were to accuse you personally of being responsible for the recent spate of mass killings with firearms or the recent surge in kiddy porn.

Personally, I can't listen to Oliver North's radio program or see him on TV without having a very negative automatic reaction because of what he did, much like G. Gordon Liddy. There are plenty of things that he did wrong without you having to spread FUD and lies trying to make him out worse than history already does.

Legasat
04-17-2009, 10:53 AM
This from a guy who admitted selling arms to Iran, an enemy of our country, and was implicated (but nothing was proven) in the crack cocaine epidemic of the 80s?

I'm not saying I disagree with the article, but he's not the best example of a patriot I could come up with.

Just to muddy the waters more, the ACLU helped get his felony convictions overturned, which preserved his right to own firearms.

Nobody ever said Olly was an angel. Neither were Jefferson or Washington.

I'm not a huge Olly fan, but I do recognize his contributions to the Country. You may not agree with his methods, but I would say the word "Patriot" fits.

rp55
04-17-2009, 11:15 AM
And he's clearly a racist (http://www.notoriouslyconservative.com/2009/04/janeane-garofalo-tea-parties-were.html) to boot. Or so says Janeane Garofalo, she of the many tramp stamps.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XU9x8G7khv0/SejBiRERJkI/AAAAAAAACEs/9JIvVvjrAKY/s200/garofalo1.jpg

PatriotnMore
04-17-2009, 11:26 AM
What a pile of FUD. What North did was execute American foreign policy without congresses approval. It was wrong it was inappropriate and it was against the law. You state it as though he was an arms dealer working for personal profit against our national interests and this is completely misleading. He was carrying out the desires of the Commander in Chief who was denied this course of action by Congress.

As for "implicated in the crack cocaine epidemic" that is a bald faced lie. There were one or two articles smearing Oliver North in this regard which had ZERO supporting documentation. There is no more reason to believe that than if I were to accuse you personally of being responsible for the recent spate of mass killings with firearms or the recent surge in kiddy porn.

Personally, I can't listen to Oliver North's radio program or see him on TV without having a very negative automatic reaction because of what he did, much like G. Gordon Liddy. There are plenty of things that he did wrong without you having to spread FUD and lies trying to make him out worse than history already does.

I agree with this. His biggest mistake was not using his head, refusing an unlawful order, and breach of conduct for an officer. However, I too have a hard time watching/listen him be the voice of freedom in America, in light of his past. But I will not put him in the catagory of a Cocaine running drug smuggler, we'll leave that for the CIA. :D

BamBam-31
04-17-2009, 11:28 AM
^^^From that linked Garofalo article:

One more quick note. I'd also like to add that you are by far the ugliest woman I have ever seen. You look like a man. I would rather castrate myself with a spoon than see you naked. Please, please, invest in some plastic surgery. Or better yet, please never leave your home, so I don't have to see your ugly face.

:rofl2:

AKman
04-17-2009, 11:49 AM
Sounds to me like MR. North is a patriot.

Note from DHS:

"Patriot = Terrorist"

AKman
04-17-2009, 11:50 AM
And he's clearly a racist (http://www.notoriouslyconservative.com/2009/04/janeane-garofalo-tea-parties-were.html) to boot. Or so says Janeane Garofalo, she of the many tramp stamps.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XU9x8G7khv0/SejBiRERJkI/AAAAAAAACEs/9JIvVvjrAKY/s200/garofalo1.jpg

Nice lampshade material.

Musclemom
04-17-2009, 12:26 PM
I thought Olly's response was excellent. The report really disturbs me because it's so broad and generalized. They left it wide open to sweep pretty much anybody they want into the category of "right wing extremist."

I need a new t-shirt. "Caution! The DHS says I'm a right wing extremist."

Ducman
04-17-2009, 12:50 PM
I need a new t-shirt. "Caution! The DHS says I'm a right wing extremist."

luv that idea :thumbsup:

Untamed1972
04-17-2009, 12:57 PM
I thought Olly's response was excellent. The report really disturbs me because it's so broad and generalized. They left it wide open to sweep pretty much anybody they want into the category of "right wing extremist."

I need a new t-shirt. "Caution! The DHS says I'm a right wing extremist."

Maybe you could get the guy who sells those "All-Ameircan Infidel" shirts at the gun showe to make some up! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Untamed1972
04-17-2009, 12:59 PM
Here is some food for thought. That report lists the various persons it considered to be a threat. Well lemme tell you something.....they are a threat. The real question is "A threat to whom?"

Who would be threatened by a group of people who actually firmly believe in the prinicples this nation was founded upon? HMMmmmmmm......To those who would seek to subvert this nation from it's founding principles?

Just something to think about.................

dasmi
04-17-2009, 1:01 PM
I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!
-Barry Goldwater.

maxicon
04-17-2009, 4:23 PM
What a pile of FUD. What North did was execute American foreign policy without congresses approval. It was wrong it was inappropriate and it was against the law. You state it as though he was an arms dealer working for personal profit against our national interests and this is completely misleading. He was carrying out the desires of the Commander in Chief who was denied this course of action by Congress.

As for "implicated in the crack cocaine epidemic" that is a bald faced lie. There were one or two articles smearing Oliver North in this regard which had ZERO supporting documentation. There is no more reason to believe that than if I were to accuse you personally of being responsible for the recent spate of mass killings with firearms or the recent surge in kiddy porn.

Personally, I can't listen to Oliver North's radio program or see him on TV without having a very negative automatic reaction because of what he did, much like G. Gordon Liddy. There are plenty of things that he did wrong without you having to spread FUD and lies trying to make him out worse than history already does.

I specifically said implicated but unproven in the crack scandal - it's a whole 'nother topic whether the CIA imported all that crack or not, with or without North's help.

However, he did sell arms to our country's enemies - arms that could have been, and likely were, used to attack American soldiers. This is an indisputable fact, and tarnishes his reputation, regardless of his motives.

He was only following orders? Please...

Call it what you want.

M. Sage
04-17-2009, 4:31 PM
Good thing Ollie didn't protest at a Tea Party, otherwise he'd be a "despicable" (http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/04/16/schakowsky-tea-parties-despicable/) right wing extremist.

Like myself I might add.

Woo hoo! I'm a despicable right-winger. Awesome.

It's so funny (and by funny I mean pathetic) when people generalize. I'm pretty far from a stereotypical right-winger.

Doheny
04-17-2009, 4:33 PM
I do like watching his war/history shows.

DDT
04-17-2009, 5:06 PM
I specifically said implicated but unproven in the crack scandal - it's a whole 'nother topic whether the CIA imported all that crack or not, with or without North's help.

However, he did sell arms to our country's enemies - arms that could have been, and likely were, used to attack American soldiers. This is an indisputable fact, and tarnishes his reputation, regardless of his motives.

He was only following orders? Please...

Call it what you want.

I specifically said that you could have been implicated in child porn, not proven. What's your point? You made completely unrelated and unsubstantiated claims. If you are gong to smear someone have the proof or at least have the guts to make the accusation without evidence rather than.... "implicated" what a weasel.

Second, I never said he was acting on orders. I have no idea just how "plausible" President Reagan's deniability is. I also never said that he shouldn't be condemned for his actions. I did say that, unlike your clear implication, he wasn't trading arms for his own benefit. You and I may disagree with him and his actions but to lay motives on him that are CLEARLY not there is an attack and one that is not warranted.

Hate on him all you like for what he really did but don't make stuff up about him.

As I have said before, I put him in the same camp as G. Gordon Liddy. I can respect their motives but I do not believe that those motives absolve them of wrongdoing in their actions.

IGOTDIRT4U
04-17-2009, 5:46 PM
And he's clearly a racist (http://www.notoriouslyconservative.com/2009/04/janeane-garofalo-tea-parties-were.html) to boot. Or so says Janeane Garofalo, she of the many tramp stamps.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XU9x8G7khv0/SejBiRERJkI/AAAAAAAACEs/9JIvVvjrAKY/s200/garofalo1.jpg

:puke:

GaffSD
04-17-2009, 5:47 PM
The Department of Homeland Security is equal to the bailouts that we see today.

The government using events that scare the general public to increase its power.

Ron

DDT
04-17-2009, 5:55 PM
And he's clearly a racist (http://www.notoriouslyconservative.com/2009/04/janeane-garofalo-tea-parties-were.html) to boot. Or so says Janeane Garofalo, she of the many tramp stamps.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_XU9x8G7khv0/SejBiRERJkI/AAAAAAAACEs/9JIvVvjrAKY/s200/garofalo1.jpg

Completely off topic, but every time I see her on 24 I keep hoping they'll kill her off... It keeps me watching.

xLusi0n
04-17-2009, 6:02 PM
Completely off topic, but every time I see her on 24 I keep hoping they'll kill her off... It keeps me watching.

OMG THAT'S WHO SHE IS!!!! I watch the show and keep thinking, she looks so freakin familiar. LOL.

Crusader
04-17-2009, 6:09 PM
I love this country, I love our Constitution. If that makes me a terrorist, So be it!!

I feel the same way.
I have been accused of being unpatriotic, and I'll admit it, it's true. I have very little loyalty or respect for what America has become. I do, however, have total love for what America was founded to be. In that respect, I consider myself a complete Patriot.

B Strong
04-17-2009, 6:10 PM
This from a guy who admitted selling arms to Iran, an enemy of our country, and was implicated (but nothing was proven) in the crack cocaine epidemic of the 80s?

I'm not saying I disagree with the article, but he's not the best example of a patriot I could come up with.

Just to muddy the waters more, the ACLU helped get his felony convictions overturned, which preserved his right to own firearms.

Thanks - at least I know I'm not the only one here that remembers their history.

Considering that one end of the coke pipeline went right into San Francisco bay (the "frogman" case) I'm always interested in hearing ol' Ollie wave the bloody shirt and proclaim his patriotism.

Swiss
04-17-2009, 6:40 PM
For me, the most telling part was near the top of Page 6 where right-wing extremists are twice indirectly classified as criminals by distinguishing them from law abiding citizens:

(U//FOUO) Open source reporting of wartime ammunition shortages has likely spurred rightwing extremists—as well as law-abiding Americans—to make bulk purchases of ammunition. These shortages have increased the cost of ammunition, further exacerbating rightwing extremist paranoia and leading to further stockpiling activity. Both rightwing extremists and law-abiding citizens share a belief that rising crime rates attributed to a slumping economy make the purchase of legitimate firearms a wise move at this time.

cortayack
04-17-2009, 7:23 PM
Abobish DHS!!!!

badicedog
04-17-2009, 7:58 PM
This is madness, all in the name of keeping us safe from whom???? Ourselves? First thing that need to happen is that all the politicians/DHS need to come down to our level. If they want to ban something in the name of national security, they should also be bound by their laws. She needs to be fired for making such remarks! Sickens my stomach....:mad:

maxicon
04-17-2009, 9:13 PM
I specifically said that you could have been implicated in child porn, not proven. What's your point? You made completely unrelated and unsubstantiated claims. If you are gong to smear someone have the proof or at least have the guts to make the accusation without evidence rather than.... "implicated" what a weasel.

Second, I never said he was acting on orders. I have no idea just how "plausible" President Reagan's deniability is. I also never said that he shouldn't be condemned for his actions. I did say that, unlike your clear implication, he wasn't trading arms for his own benefit. You and I may disagree with him and his actions but to lay motives on him that are CLEARLY not there is an attack and one that is not warranted.

Hate on him all you like for what he really did but don't make stuff up about him.

As I have said before, I put him in the same camp as G. Gordon Liddy. I can respect their motives but I do not believe that those motives absolve them of wrongdoing in their actions.

What do you believe I made up about him? That he was implicated in the crack scandal? That he sold arms to our enemies? These aren't my claims, they are well documented - he was implicated in Contra drug trafficking - this is a simple fact. You can google it if you like.

Do you believe that I convinced the Costa Rican government to permanently deny him entry into their country because of these charges? Do my made-up lies posted on CGN have this power?

Where did I say he sold arms to the US' enemies for his own benefit? I said he did it, not why. It doesn't matter to me what his motives were or who told him to do it.

As for "implicated in the crack cocaine epidemic" that is a bald faced lie.

He was implicated by a number of sources. Google it. There millions of hits, yet you accuse me of making this up?

He was carrying out the desires of the Commander in Chief who was denied this course of action by Congress.

Speaking of weasel - this is what you said. Carrying out the "desires" of his commander in chief isn't following orders? Whatever. Is this some "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" ploy?


Accusing me of lying and making things up is a pretty serious charge, and you have disproven nothing I've said. I have said nothing - not a single thing - untruthful. You can bluster all you like, but I chose my words carefully, and I stand by them.

KylaGWolf
04-17-2009, 9:35 PM
Personally I find Ollie undesirable. I think what he did under Reagan was wrong plain and simple but that being said it is funny how old Ronnie still came out smelling like a rose from it.

Of course they want to protect us from thinking or having our own mind. To keep us as blind sheep that don't question when we think something is wrong and to keep the democrats in office so they can finish destroying anything decent that is left.

If they consider me an extremist for believing in the Constitution and doing what I can to make sure that it stays upheld then so be it. Maybe we NEED more extremists instead of people thinking that if they sit quietly and it will all magically get better. I still think the bumper sticker I saw says it all I love my country but I fear my Government.

M. Sage
04-17-2009, 10:25 PM
This is madness, all in the name of keeping us safe from whom???? Ourselves?

Welcome to the nanny state. That's what happens when the progressives are in power.

Hoop
04-17-2009, 10:29 PM
I do like watching his war/history shows.

Same. That guy has been around. In the old days I think he would've been a privateer.