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Legasat
04-16-2009, 7:32 AM
Like it actually matters now. The bell has been rung.

Two-faced B**ch


http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/16/napolitano.apology/

hawk1
04-16-2009, 7:37 AM
Is she trying to save her own *** or just smooth things over? Either way, it was an intentional act to disclose it the way it was written...

dustoff31
04-16-2009, 7:42 AM
Either way, it was an intentional act to disclose it the way it was written...

I'm not so sure that it was. Fox News interviewed her this morning and her "apology" pretty much consisted of "we're really sorry the public found out about this."

yellowfin
04-16-2009, 7:43 AM
She's not at all sorry they did it, only sorry we found out and reacted.

zatoh
04-16-2009, 7:47 AM
Sow-eee!!!

http://www.drudgereport.com/bsn.jpg

Granted, this is from Drudge but I think a little more decorum is in order.

This is almost as bad as the Kerry shotgun pic.

http://www.berkeleysquarejazz.com/blog/pix/jfk_shotgun.jpg

Gator Monroe
04-16-2009, 7:52 AM
The Secular Progressive Democrat posters at CGN should have those pics(John & Janet shotguns) as their profile pics insted of the deceptive he man pro 2a kinda pics they use !

SVT_Fox
04-16-2009, 8:35 AM
one woman that can make me puke in my mouth, uhhhhhgggrrrrrr

DDT
04-16-2009, 8:39 AM
Has anyone file FOIA request for the (redacted) classified version of this memo? It would certainly be interesting to see what they excluded that might not be truly classified.

signal5delta
04-16-2009, 9:32 AM
When these Liberal women are put in charge their true colors come out. Napolitano,Pelosi ,Boxer,they are all the same. I would like to send them on a goodwill mission to Somaliaand leave them there.

Vanguard
04-16-2009, 9:45 AM
Napolitano can get bent.

This is only going to get worse before it gets any better, folks. This government is barely able to mask it's contempt for the average citizen and the Constitution. They slip up constantly and expose themselves for what they really are...passive tyrants. They become more brazen every day, testing the waters of public acceptance of their socialist ideas. This is just another example. This was no mistake.

yellowfin
04-16-2009, 10:08 AM
When these Liberal women are put in charge their true colors come out. Napolitano,Pelosi ,Boxer,they are all the same. I would like to send them on a goodwill mission to Somaliaand leave them there.
That's a little too light. A clothing optional beach in Antarctica in July would be more like it.

turinreza
04-16-2009, 10:26 AM
just remember
DHS stands for
"Department of Homie's Security"
that is, only serving "Obama the Balkanizer" and not the US Citizens

xLusi0n
04-16-2009, 11:07 AM
I'm probably going to get flamed for this and I will say I didn't read the entire original report...but as I understand the mentioning of veterans was that right wing extremists may recruit veterans to join their organizations and used Timothy McVeigh as an example. If that's the case I don't see why an apology is in order. It is the truth and it is a threat. Our country is just as vulnerable to terrorists of Middle Eastern origin as home grown domestic terrorists. I may not agree with the government's broad definition of right wing extremists, but the fact is that there really are these groups that do bomb government buildings etc...And they are likely actively recruiting veterans. So...I don't see what the big deal is? I don't think she said that veteran groups are terrorists???

dixieD
04-16-2009, 12:05 PM
The big deal is that based on several points in this report, and the earlier Missouri one, I am now an extremist. People I know and work with, now with the blessing of the government, can safely think of me as an extremist. If I should say that I think free-speech should be preserved and we should oppose the Fairness Doctrine, or if I say my right to bear arms is guaranteed in the Bill of Rights they can dismiss me as a extremist. In the past, my liberal colleagues might just have done that, but now they can with the blessing of the government. I shudder at the possible ramifications of this if allowed to continue. I am now only a teleprompter away from being labeled a terrorist. This is all very unsettling to me, and it should be to anyone who calls themselves an American.

MontClaire
04-16-2009, 12:12 PM
Napolitano can get bent.

This is only going to get worse before it gets any better, folks. This government is barely able to mask it's contempt for the average citizen and the Constitution. They slip up constantly and expose themselves for what they really are...passive tyrants. They become more brazen every day, testing the waters of public acceptance of their socialist ideas. This is just another example. This was no mistake.

the government is: people hired to do stuff- nothing more. they are not superhumans.

Vanguard
04-16-2009, 12:14 PM
The big deal is that based on several points in this report, and the earlier Missouri one, I am now an extremist. People I know and work with, now with the blessing of the government, can safely think of me as an extremist. If I should say that I think free-speech should be preserved and we should oppose the Fairness Doctrine, or if I say my right to bear arms is guaranteed in the Bill of Rights they can dismiss me as a extremist. In the past, my liberal colleagues might just have done that, but now they can with the blessing of the government. I shudder at the possible ramifications of this if allowed to continue. I am now only a teleprompter away from being labeled a terrorist. This is all very unsettling to me, and it should be to anyone who calls themselves an American.

+1000

Barney Gumble
04-16-2009, 12:58 PM
This is only going to get worse before it gets any better, folks. This government is barely able to mask it's contempt for the average citizen and the Constitution. They slip up constantly and expose themselves for what they really are...passive tyrants.
I trust you were objecting just as loudly to warrantless wiretaps and the government changing its definition of torture to suit its convenience?

The big deal is that based on several points in this report, and the earlier Missouri one, I am now an extremist. People I know and work with, now with the blessing of the government, can safely think of me as an extremist. If I should say that I think free-speech should be preserved and we should oppose the Fairness Doctrine, or if I say my right to bear arms is guaranteed in the Bill of Rights they can dismiss me as a extremist. In the past, my liberal colleagues might just have done that, but now they can with the blessing of the government. I shudder at the possible ramifications of this if allowed to continue. I am now only a teleprompter away from being labeled a terrorist. This is all very unsettling to me, and it should be to anyone who calls themselves an American.

Totally agree, even if there are individuals who may pose a threat who happen to be veterans, that's no reason to apply that broad brush to all veterans. You can't judge an entire group based on the behavior of one of its members.

xLusi0n
04-16-2009, 1:07 PM
I could be wrong, but if I read those reports right, it was pointing out characteristics that are often times displayed by right wing extremists. Not necessarily saying if you do this, you are automatically a right wing extremist. Just like the regular law abiding Muslims should hate Muslim extremists for ruining it for them, we should be upset at the real right wing extremists for ruining it for us. We shouldn't be upset at LEO for using criminal profiling. The fact is that right wing extremist groups ARE hoarding ammo. But just cause I do it, doesn't mean I share the same views. YES it sucks, but we should be more upset at these groups.

Right wing extremists and home grown domestic terrorism is a REAL threat (IMO bigger than Islamic jihadists). Many "experts" believe that the next bio/chem attack will stem from a right wing extremist group.

Besides, I did state that I agree the definition was too broad and inclusive...my point is I don't think she ever said veterans were extremists - just that they are being targeted for recruitment.

xLusi0n
04-16-2009, 1:11 PM
Just to add, I do believe that it is scary that despite what I said, there's a lot of room for interpretation...and all it takes is for one LEO to THINK you meet the description of "right wing extremist" and you're now on CNN as a gun nut domestic terrorist.

Vanguard
04-16-2009, 1:14 PM
I trust you were objecting just as loudly to warrantless wiretaps and the government changing its definition of torture to suit its convenience?


You mean the warrantless wiretaps of phone calls routed through the U.S. of people calling known terror suspects in Pakistan? Those warrantless wiretaps? Do you honestly think that the Government was tapping the phones of school marms from Nebraska? Give me a break.

The government did not change it's definition of torture. Some people just wanted to redefine it, after the fact that we waterboarded people, to include waterboarding. Playing nice nice with terrorists and extending the same rights to them that you do to your own citizens, is not the way to win a war. Remember, they cut our guy's heads off if they capture them, not give them 3 hots and a cot.

Legasat
04-16-2009, 1:45 PM
Everyone who believes the Gov't is too big, wants to enforce the borders, wants lower taxes or just wants to be left alone to live their life is now a right wing extremist?

Yep, sounds like me.

trinydex
04-16-2009, 1:52 PM
to be fair they should at least throw out another report on left wing extremists...

luchador768
04-16-2009, 1:55 PM
to be fair they should at least throw out another report on left wing extremists...

CSPAN shows their actions 24/7, just tune in! Texas and Montana are looking better and better.

dustoff31
04-16-2009, 1:59 PM
to be fair they should at least throw out another report on left wing extremists...

Actually they did. According to the report, groups like PETA, ELF, etc, represent an increased threat of cyberattack.

So, people (PETA, ELF) who actually have a history of assault, arson, valdalism, and on so, will spam you, or put a virus on your computer.

On the other hand, those who for one reason or another, don't participate in the politically correct groupthink are potential terrorists.

yellowfin
04-16-2009, 2:08 PM
to be fair they should at least throw out another report on left wing extremists... They do a piece on the White House almost every day, what's your point?

Barney Gumble
04-16-2009, 3:11 PM
You mean the warrantless wiretaps of phone calls routed through the U.S. of people calling known terror suspects in Pakistan? Those warrantless wiretaps?

The government did not change it's definition of torture. Some people just wanted to redefine it, after the fact that we waterboarded people, to include waterboarding. Playing nice nice with terrorists and extending the same rights to them that you do to your own citizens, is not the way to win a war. Remember, they cut our guy's heads off if they capture them, not give them 3 hots and a cot.

Tyranny is tyranny, regardless of whether it's coming from an administration you like or dislike, and you have to fight it before it ends up on your doorstep.

The warrantless wiretaps were in violation of the law because the administration bypassed the FISA courts.

As for the torture stuff, the administration clearly attempted to redefine the limits of the Constitution in the John Yoo memos.

I'm going to stop here, you're welcome to continue arguing the fine points if you want.

Vanguard
04-16-2009, 3:56 PM
I agree that tyranny is tyranny, but I don't consider waterboarding terrorists to get info out of them, tyranny. They aren't American citizens, they are combatants who wear civilian clothes. By all rights, they can be shot outright so I'm not going to equate waterboarding them with tyranny. You let me know when American citizens start being waterboarded and I'll agree with you.

On that same note...you let me know when Joe average American starts getting his calls wiretapped and I'll agree with you. The calls being tapped either originated from outside the country and were being placed to known suspected terrorists inside Pakistan and Afghanistan, or were being placed by non-American citizens with known ties to terrorist groups. I do not equate these people with American citizens, nor do I equate this treatment of them with tyranny.

Pvt. Cowboy
04-16-2009, 4:05 PM
http://www.drudgereport.com/bsn.jpg


Benelli assault shotgun, minus pistol grip.

(Edit: And those 'mom jeans' she's wearing terrorize me)

Delta V
04-16-2009, 5:13 PM
That's a little too light. A clothing optional beach in Antarctica in July would be more like it.

Might perk 'em up a little bit...

B Strong
04-16-2009, 5:19 PM
Janet Reno "Took Responsibility" for Waco, too - big deal.

The thing we have to do is remember who our enemies are and vote accordingly.

SkatinJJ
04-16-2009, 6:28 PM
Tyranny is tyranny, regardless of whether it's coming from an administration you like or dislike, and you have to fight it before it ends up on your doorstep.

The warrantless wiretaps were in violation of the law because the administration bypassed the FISA courts.

As for the torture stuff, the administration clearly attempted to redefine the limits of the Constitution in the John Yoo memos.

I'm going to stop here, you're welcome to continue arguing the fine points if you want.

I'll invite you to continue to discuss the fine points, as some here do not adhere to a certain politician, administration, or ideology other than those ideas expressed by the founding fathers and codified by them in the bill of rights.

As I understood the Bush administration violation of the wiretaps: they had permission to listen to electronic transfers of information under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They had 72 hours to take the information to judges to obtain warrants and to then continue to monitor the conversations if it involved a U.S. citizen. (This draconian law was passed by congress and approved by a president.) They failed from time-to-time to secure the warrant. Bad on them, get those involved out of the government.

To all those who don't pay attention to the reality of the revolution that gave us this country:

from http://www.monticello.org/reports/quotes/liberty.html
1787 Nov. 13. "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure." (to W. S. Smith, B.12.356)

I bet you could spot Boo under any name after about 5 posts.

For BDD I thought so too. Oh wait, is it "To BDD, I thought so for"?

Colt
04-16-2009, 6:29 PM
I didn't see the report - did they drag out Hillary's comments about a "vast right-wing conspiracy" too?

grnt
04-16-2009, 7:41 PM
What did the 5 fingers say to the face?????SLAP!!!!!!Just another way of insulting vets! Its bad enough we have to deal with adjusting back to civilian life, financial issues, relationship issues, getting to know your kids again, but then this politician calls us criminals? Pat on your shoulders as the knife goes into your back.

Seesm
04-16-2009, 8:06 PM
:( We do not like her...

johnny_22
04-17-2009, 6:28 AM
Actually they did. According to the report, groups like PETA, ELF, etc, represent an increased threat of cyberattack.

So, people (PETA, ELF) who actually have a history of assault, arson, valdalism, and on so, will spam you, or put a virus on your computer.

On the other hand, those who for one reason or another, don't participate in the politically correct groupthink are potential terrorists.

http://links.sfgate.com/ZGTL

Debra J. Saunders of the Chron had an opinion piece on it.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/04/16/ED5I1727J0.DTL