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GunOwner
04-15-2009, 6:49 PM
Can anyone point me to some credible sources on these topics. I want to educate myself to be prepared when folks raise the issue of more limited gun rights in other countries correlating to lower violent crime.

BTW - my current response is we tried an experiment here already - the AWB did not reduce crime in this country and the absence of it hasn't increased crime so what happens in France is irrelevant. Still it might be nice to have more information.

Thanks

Von Mikey
04-15-2009, 6:54 PM
One thing to consider when looking at statistics on violent crime is that many
anti-gun orginizations like the Brady camp use the international standard for age. This standard classifies adults as over 21, so the big numbers of "children" killed by handguns is actually all 18-20 year olds.

KylaGWolf
04-15-2009, 6:59 PM
Thing about crime statistics the only two that are accurate is murder and car theft. The rest of the stats can be skewed by the departments reporting the crime.

nick
04-15-2009, 7:09 PM
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=161880

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=129163

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=165831

If you need it for something useful, not just for personal interest, I can dig up the links to the FBI and some European statistics agencies which had crime stats. I looked them up a while back to see how the crime stats in the US compared to European countries.

Check out Norway, England, and Switzerland. Norway is considered one of the safest countries out there, yet its per-capita violent crime is worse than in the US. The sources are the FBI (for the US crome stats) and Norwegian state agency that deals with statistics, I forgot what it's called.

England saw a 4 times increase in GUN violence since they had that major gun grab, per their Home Office. The violent crime is also worse than in the US.

Switzerland has quite liberal (in the good sense of the word, as in non-restrictive) gun laws, and for many decades they required their reservists (that is, pretty much every male and many women) to maintain their issued weapons at home. It's also one of the safest countries out there (for real, not just in some people's imagination). They have their own liberals trying (and often succeeding) to change that though. It's funny how there're always some deranged loonies trying to make a safe country even safer by removing one of the things that make it safe :)

Then, of course, there're places like Russia, Brazil, or Mexico. All have very strict gun laws, much stricted than even in CA or D.C., and all have rampant violent crime, including gun crime.

nick
04-15-2009, 7:19 PM
Another interesting thread. Ignore my post on the gun laws in Denmark there, some things in it are incorrect:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=129163&highlight=norway

If you search this site, there's a lot of info on gun laws in various countries. I remember a pretty good thread on the French gun laws.

GunOwner
04-15-2009, 7:46 PM
Thanks nick!

Librarian
04-15-2009, 9:29 PM
There is one problem with your intention - it is not possible to accurately compare crime statistics across national systems.

The only two that seem to make any sense at all are US and Great Britain, and GB is already admitting that a lot of their crime is under-reported. GB has also changed its reporting year and redefined some crimes in the last decade; they also measure violent crime in events/1,000 population, while we use events/100,000, so one must be careful to properly convert the rates to a single system.

Here's one reason: it's commonly asserted that GB's low firearms murder rate is attributable to their gun control laws, implying that the US murder rate is 'caused by' guns. But the US non-firearm murder rate is consistently higher than GB's total murder rate. Clearly guns don't cause non-gun murders.

Old but still applicable - Kopel's "The Samurai, the Mountie and the Cowboy" (1992).

Still, if you're determined to raise your level of frustration:

Bureau of Justice Statistics page of links:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/ijs.htm

http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/ABS@.nsf/b06660592430724fca2568b5007b8619/76c8926bd8a12e1fca2568a9001393f2!OpenDocument
(yes, 2005 is the latest they have available)

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/rpp/index1.html

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/

http://www.the-stationery-office.co.uk/

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/

http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/Page1.asp

http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/1997/review-of-firearms-control/#fullreport

http://cansim2.statcan.gc.ca/cgi-win/cnsmcgi.pgm?Lang=E&SP_Action=Theme&SP_ID=2693&SP_Mode=2

And a UN link to a page of links:
http://www.uncjin.org/Statistics/statistics.html (page last updated in 2000)

Germany: http://www.bka.de/profil/englisch.html

A site for lots of countries: http://www.nationmaster.com/cat/cri-crime (based on 2002 UN-collected data)

GunOwner
04-15-2009, 10:39 PM
Thanks Librarian

Jarrod
04-16-2009, 12:44 AM
Try GunFacts (http://www.gunfacts.info).